Perkins shut down again

[Thrylos]

Rhett Bollinger reports that Perkins has experienced soreness and will postpone his first scheduled bullpen that was supposed to happen tomorrow, indefinitely.    According to Bollinger "Perkins, determined he wasn't ready to take that next step and will continue to build arm strength before getting off a mound."  

 

Also there, is reported that Perkins has been throwing from flat ground, but only fastballs.

 

I think that 60 day DL starting next week might give the Twins some flexibility at this point. 

[Mike Sixel]

I'd DL him when they next try to add someone to the 40 man, I think that opens a spot, correct?

[Thrylos]

 

I'd DL him when they next try to add someone to the 40 man, I think that opens a spot, correct?

 

Correct.  60-day does.  And he can get on it as soon as they report, but not before; thus next week.

[Parker Hageman]

Via LaVelle: "Just got word that Perkins did NOT have a setback, but just needs more time to work on arm strength before he takes a mound"

 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Via LaVelle: "Just got word that Perkins did NOT have a setback, but just needs more time to work on arm strength before he takes a mound"

 

 

Well, uh, if you can't pitch from the mound, that's probably not ideal if your job is to, you know, pitch from the mound.....

 

edit:

help me out....if he was expected to throw from the mound, but now can't, how is that not a setback? alternativesetback?

 

2nd edit: 

someday I'm going to edit a post after someone has liked it, and then call that person a doodoo head....

[Thrylos]

 

Via LaVelle: "Just got word that Perkins did NOT have a setback, but just needs more time to work on arm strength before he takes a mound"

 

 

 

Semantics:  If the plan was to pitch from the mound tomorrow and he is not ready, any way you want to cut it, it is a setback, sugar coating or not.

[Parker Hageman]

 

Semantics:  If the plan was to pitch from the mound tomorrow and he is not ready, any way you want to cut it, it is a setback, sugar coating or not.

 

Regardless, he is not shut down.

[drjim]

60 day dl isn't an option yet

[Halsey Hall]

I said last year Perkins was done. He's pitched his last game.

[goulik]

 

I said last year Perkins was done. He's pitched his last game.

[drjim]

I said last year Perkins was done. He's pitched his last game.

I suspect you are right. Wouldn't be surprised if he retires in the next couple of months.

[drjim]

Could see him take a year off and taking a FO role.

[Kwak]

Losing Perkins for the entire season isn't as bad as placing him on the 25-man roster and watching him blow multiple games.

[S.]

 

Losing Perkins for the entire season isn't as bad as placing him on the 25-man roster and watching him blow multiple games.

Agreed. I'll take "never pitches again" over "never pitches well again" any day.

[Otto von Ballpark]

60 day dl isn't an option yet

It will be very soon -- the day that pitchers and catchers report (Feb. 18?).

 

It would open up a 40-man spot, but it wouldn't make him eligible to return earlier -- players who go on the 60 day DL at any time in spring training can't be activated until the 61st day of the regular season. So it wouldn't make sense to DL him before we have a replacement ready (maybe his spot would go to Breslow at the end of March?).

[old nurse]

It would be likely the contract for Perkins has insurance. There is no need for the Twins to spend their money for a buyout. If he can't pitch, there is the insurance.

[spinowner]

 

I said last year Perkins was done. He's pitched his last game.

I don't want to give this a like because I don't like it, but I think this is highly likely.

[TheLeviathan]

For better or worse, how this plays out is going to be a major test, for me, for this new FO.  I'm quite confident how Terry Ryan would do this. (bleed it out, probably have him on the 25 man roster, tell everyone he's fine, suddenly he's throwing 85 and getting shelled for three weeks, put him on the 15 day DL for a month, then finally 60 day DL him somewhere in August)

 

So, I'll definitely be watching how this is handled.  I hope to see change for the better.

[Seth Stohs]

It seems people aren't aware of just how serious his shoulder injury was. It was far worse than even expected. 

 

He's not hurt ... again... it's the same injury. He's busted his butt this offseason to come back. He did the same last offseason. Nothing bugs me more than questioning people's effort. 

 

There is a chance he doesn't pitch again, but it will be due to the shoulder, not because he doesn't want to. 

[DocBauer]

It is absolutely a setback, just not another injury. But you should probably expect that coming back from such a serious injury, no? I feel for the guy and would love to see him make it back, even if it's in a different role, say LH setup. I'm just not sure I see it happening or happening soon. 60 day? Maybe. But I would think it wouldn't be for another week or two...they don't even officially report for a few days...to see how he responds and what he looks like and feels like pitching before they make a determination of that size.

 

The grievance issue is several years old now. If I recall, it may have been spurred by his agent. Regardless, he's been nothing but a "good soldier" for the organization since then. Old news that should be put to bed for good.

[Taildragger8791]

 

It seems people aren't aware of just how serious his shoulder injury was. It was far worse than even expected. 

 

He's not hurt ... again... it's the same injury. He's busted his butt this offseason to come back. He did the same last offseason. Nothing bugs me more than questioning people's effort. 

 

There is a chance he doesn't pitch again, but it will be due to the shoulder, not because he doesn't want to. 

 

To be fair, nobody in this thread is questioning his effort or want-to. What I've read is pretty much everyone recognizing and lamenting over how serious the injury appears to be and expecting the worst. It might sound harsh, but if it turns out that his arm is toast it would be better for the Twins to know sooner than later so they can plan appropriately.

 

I'd also hate for him to suffer a more permanent injury trying to come back for...what? A couple of seasons at 70% of what he was? If the injury really is that serious then I hope he's proud of what he accomplished and enjoys a long healthy life, and maybe comes back as a coach or FO contributor when he's ready.

[Mike Sixel]

It seems people aren't aware of just how serious his shoulder injury was. It was far worse than even expected.

 

He's not hurt ... again... it's the same injury. He's busted his butt this offseason to come back. He did the same last offseason. Nothing bugs me more than questioning people's effort.

 

There is a chance he doesn't pitch again, but it will be due to the shoulder, not because he doesn't want to.

Did anyone imply otherwise? We all want him healthy and pitching. But if he can't do so well, and that would suck, it is best that the front office act and not let him pitch ineffectively.

[Thrylos]

 

It seems people aren't aware of just how serious his shoulder injury was. It was far worse than even expected. 

 

He's not hurt ... again... it's the same injury. He's busted his butt this offseason to come back. He did the same last offseason. Nothing bugs me more than questioning people's effort. 

 

There is a chance he doesn't pitch again, but it will be due to the shoulder, not because he doesn't want to. 

 

 

Sure.  Same injury he got after the All Star break in 2016, continued to pitch hurt and cost the Twins the post-season.   Matter of fact, check this out.  It is from the time of the grievance.  The issue he had back then was his shoulder as well.

 

Really, nobody wishes him bad.  However this does not negate the fact that he had that issue for a long time, he hid it and tried to pitch with it, and this ended up costing the Twins (and himself too likely, because he ended up worse).  

 

He is the closer.  A very important position.  Last Spring it was very obvious that he could not pitch effectively tossing 87 mph "fast"balls.   And the mistake that Ryan made was to count on him as the closer without checking out his progress during the off-season and when the writing was on the wall during ST.  We all saw it coming other than the people who should have seen it.

 

And, no, I will never forgive him for costing the Twins the 2016 post-season, like I will never forgive Cuddyer (or Thome for that matter) for costing the Twins the postseason in game 163 in Chicago, but will never wish any of them bad.

[Seth Stohs]

Not disagreeing with any of that, but there's a new regime, and they're not going to put him out there if he's not ready.

[drjim]

 

Sure.  Same injury he got after the All Star break in 2016, continued to pitch hurt and cost the Twins the post-season.   Matter of fact, check this out.  It is from the time of the grievance.  The issue he had back then was his shoulder as well.

 

Really, nobody wishes him bad.  However this does not negate the fact that he had that issue for a long time, he hid it and tried to pitch with it, and this ended up costing the Twins (and himself too likely, because he ended up worse).  

 

He is the closer.  A very important position.  Last Spring it was very obvious that he could not pitch effectively tossing 87 mph "fast"balls.   And the mistake that Ryan made was to count on him as the closer without checking out his progress during the off-season and when the writing was on the wall during ST.  We all saw it coming other than the people who should have seen it.

 

And, no, I will never forgive him for costing the Twins the 2016 post-season, like I will never forgive Cuddyer (or Thome for that matter) for costing the Twins the postseason in game 163 in Chicago, but will never wish any of them bad.

 

Are you sure he hid the injury?

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Are you sure he hid the injury?

professional athletes play through pain. I have difficulty with the idea that he "hid" the injury.

 

It seems like Perkins has historically been one of the more open players regarding injury.

 

I wish Perkins well and hope he recovers but also hope that if he's not ready yet, don't push it. No sense in injuring himself or the team further.

[DJSim22]

 

It seems people aren't aware of just how serious his shoulder injury was. It was far worse than even expected. 

 

He's not hurt ... again... it's the same injury. He's busted his butt this offseason to come back. He did the same last offseason. Nothing bugs me more than questioning people's effort. 

 

There is a chance he doesn't pitch again, but it will be due to the shoulder, not because he doesn't want to. 

 

Agree 100%.

 

[Willihammer]

When they opened up Perkins shoulder last year there were reports that the labrum was worse than expected. Opening day was always an ambitious target. Perkins isn't pitching off a mound yet because he doesn't feel strong enough to, so this development is just confirmation that he probably won't be ready until late spring at best.

[h2oface]

Via LaVelle: "Just got word that Perkins did NOT have a setback, but just needs more time to work on arm strength before he takes a mound"

 

 

Seems like a setback to me. By definition.

[HitInAPinch]

 

Losing Perkins for the entire season isn't as bad as placing him on the 25-man roster and watching him blow multiple games.

Sad, either way....