Article: Official Winter Meetings Wednesday Thread

[gil4]

 

Desmond to play 1B, well into his thirties, for that much money, and losing the 11th pick?

 

I'm not sure my fandom could survive that move.

I'm pretty sure mine could, although my sanity, if it was still around, probably wouldn't.

[d-mac]

 

royals have one of the best defensive OF in the game. One might argue when a healthy Gordon, Cain and Dyson are out there, they have the best defensive OF in baseball. And Orlando is awesome too. They led the majors in DRS for OF and were 2nd in UZR.

 

Doesn't mean they believe in those metrics. All of their outfielders are well regarded defenders by traditional scouting methods of defense.

[nicksaviking]

The White Sox are about to get Lucas Giolito and others for Adam Eaton. I so hate the White Sox.

 

On the bright side, the Sox got Eaton by trading Hector Santiago and a PTBNL. Surely the Twins can trade Santiago and a PTBNL for a similar return.

[bluechipper]

 

The White Sox are about to get Lucas Giolito and others for Adam Eaton. I so hate the White Sox.

 

On the bright side, the Sox got Eaton by trading Hector Santiago and a PTBNL. Surely the Twins can trade Santiago and a PTBNL for a similar return.

How???????

[Taildragger8791]

 

The White Sox are about to get Lucas Giolito and others for Adam Eaton. I so hate the White Sox.

 

On the bright side, the Sox got Eaton by trading Hector Santiago and a PTBNL. Surely the Twins can trade Santiago and a PTBNL for a similar return.

 

As much as I hate the White Sox with every bone in my body, I gotta give them credit for being aggressive and effective in player acquisition and also for cutting bait on players when they aren't getting it done.

[bluechipper]

And they get Reynaldo Lopez too? This trade is ridiculous!!!

[bluechipper]

Ok, maybe Dozier is worth both Urias and Deleon...

[Vanimal46]

 

The White Sox are about to get Lucas Giolito and others for Adam Eaton. I so hate the White Sox.

 

On the bright side, the Sox got Eaton by trading Hector Santiago and a PTBNL. Surely the Twins can trade Santiago and a PTBNL for a similar return.

Why do I have a feeling that the Nationals know something about Giolito that they're not telling us? I get he's their best trade chip from a prospect standpoint, but he's been involved in a ton of trade rumors this off-season. 

[d-mac]

That Eaton trade is straight high-way robbery. One of my coworkers is a WSux fan. She's pretty excited with these trades. 

[bluechipper]

 

Why do I have a feeling that the Nationals know something about Giolito that they're not telling us? I get he's their best trade chip from a prospect standpoint, but he's been involved in a ton of trade rumors this off-season. 

You would have to think so. I thought Reynaldo Lopez would almost be too much to give up for Eaton straight up, but I think I'm underrating how good Eaton is. Still, what a haul for the White Sox.

[nicksaviking]

 

Why do I have a feeling that the Nationals know something about Giolito that they're not telling us? I get he's their best trade chip from a prospect standpoint, but he's been involved in a ton of trade rumors this off-season. 

 

I agree, I'm getting that feeling also.

 

On the other hand I was thinking the White Sox must have thought the same which is why they chose the Red Sox deal and here they are going right back to the Nationals and getting him for Eaton, who upon closer inspection does have a really nice contract and record of consistency. Probably a lot better player than most people would give him credit for. Still, I'm really jealous of the White Sox right now.

[gunnarthor]

Unreal.  Eaton's bat was better than I thought but giving up Giolito?  Not sure I'd have done that.  His value must be lower inside the industry than in fans eyes.

[Vanimal46]

 

You would have to think so. I thought Reynaldo Lopez would almost be too much to give up for Eaton straight up, but I think I'm underrating how good Eaton is. Still, what a haul for the White Sox.

Yeah Eaton was a 6 WAR player this year and under contract for another 5 years at a reasonable rate. He certainly has a lot of value as a top of the order hitter. 

I'm wondering if the Nats are trying to get out while they're ahead with Giolito. They seemed pretty hell-bent on trading him this winter. 

[Vanimal46]

 

Unreal.  Eaton's bat was better than I thought but giving up Giolito?  Not sure I'd have done that.  His value must be lower inside the industry than in fans eyes.

Well, we as fans tend to over rate prospects every year. Eaton's been sneaky good the last 3 years, and topped out at 6 WAR this year. He's 28 and signed through his age 33 season where you'd want to get rid of him at that point. 

The ball is in the White Sox' court to make this a good deal from their side. Fix Giolito and develop the other 2 prospects. 

[TheLeviathan]

That Nats-Sox deal stinks of blackmail. 

 

It's the only explanation I have.

[TheLeviathan]

Anyone still want to hang on to Ervin Santana in this trade market?

 

No?  Me either.  Some of us have been pleading for the Twins to sell.  It looks like the awful FA market is ramping the seller's market even higher than anyone could have dreamed.

 

Sell!

[brvama]

These trade surprises me a bit with return for the WS. Must be that Easton had a "brilliant" year with a line of .284/.362/.428 with 14 HR / 14 SB. ("Brilliant" from the article.). If that is the case how does one describe Doziers line of .268/.340/.546 with 42 HR / 18 SB. It would appear that he should return the same and more.

[gunnarthor]

Twins could trade their rule v pick.  I find that surprising.  

[bluechipper]

 

These trade surprises me a bit with return for the WS. Must be that Easton had a "brilliant" year with a line of .284/.362/.428 with 14 HR / 14 SB. ("Brilliant" from the article.). If that is the case how does one describe Doziers line of .268/.340/.546 with 42 HR / 18 SB. It would appear that he should return the same and more.

I guess the metrics really like Eaton's defense. Plus, he's got the 5 years of control left compared to 2 for Dozier.

[SF Twins Fan]

Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin  32m32 minutes ago Maryland, USA
White Sox are about to add the No. 1 (Moncada), No. 3 (Giolito), No. 30 (Kopech) and  No. 38 (Lopez) prospects per http://MLBPipeline.com

[Vanimal46]

 

Anyone still want to hang on to Ervin Santana in this trade market?

 

No?  Me either.  Some of us have been pleading for the Twins to sell.  It looks like the awful FA market is ramping the seller's market even higher than anyone could have dreamed.

 

Sell!

Yep, for the love of God trade the man.... 

[gunnarthor]

 

Yep, for the love of God trade the man.... 

Maybe we wait to move him until Nova signs?  I think Nova is only "good" pitcher left in FA, right?

[TheLeviathan]

 

Maybe we wait to move him until Nova signs?  I think Nova is only "good" pitcher left in FA, right?

 

I'm fine with using that as leverage.

[bluechipper]

This just sounds wrong: Adam Eaton traded for a top 5 prospect, plus a top 50 prospect, and a recent first round pick.

 

I just can't get over this trade.

[Vanimal46]

 

Maybe we wait to move him until Nova signs?  I think Nova is only "good" pitcher left in FA, right?

 

Fine with me. Though I would like to strike while the iron is hot... And apparently some of these GMs are getting drunk at the hotel to make some of these trades. 

[SF Twins Fan]

LaVelle E. Neal III ‏@LaVelleNeal  21s21 seconds ago
Forgot to mention in the blog. Twins are getting offers for their Rule 5 pick tomorrow.

[jud6312]

UGH ... I have a movie screening that I have to go to tonight. This needs to hurry up and happen before I go and turn my phone off or I won't be able to fully concentrate.

[bluechipper]

I wonder how much cheaper the cost would have been for the Nats to acquire Andrew McCutchen. It'll be interesting to see how this affects his trade market.

[brvama]

I guess the metrics really like Eaton's defense. Plus, he's got the 5 years of control left compared to 2 for Dozier.

That's true. When I read the article on MLB Rumors I took it as they were describing his offense only. Certainly Eaton carries other positives. Still I believe Dozier should net a similar or better haul.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Anyone still want to hang on to Ervin Santana in this trade market?

 

No? Me either. Some of us have been pleading for the Twins to sell. It looks like the awful FA market is ramping the seller's market even higher than anyone could have dreamed.

 

Sell!

I don't know if teams are in the market for an Ervin type, though.