Miami Moves On: Reviewing the Luis Arráez-for-Pablo López Trade

5 minutes ago, gman said:

The first trade of Arreaz was surprising, but this one even more so. He may turn into a lifetime dh and occasional utility infielder. I still wish him best of luck.

Arreaz has a non-valued skill set in todays MLB.   Put that in along with a below average defender and it was a great trade for MN.   It will also help replenish the MIA farm system.    His ability to get on base may play with SD as they have boppers to follow.    I loved him, but was the most valuable piece we had and the FO did well in trading him.   

As you say, we had a surplus of infielders. Julien may (or may not) end up actually being an upgrade from Arreaz. Plus we have others coming. Solid trade.

As shown,  Arraez value is extremely tied to be an elite contact hitter as he offers very little else on defense or in power.  For San Diego this was a luxury trade,  they really don't need more offense,  but a great table setter even as a DH is useful.  He is also a nice fill in at 2nd base if an injury occurs.   As shown San Diego paid very little in the grand scheme of things.  Compared to Pablo,  it was a massive loss for the marlins.  The other issue is Arraez camp is clear they are looking for max dollars.  No extensions,  challenging arbitration.  They are being extremely aggressive.   I wish Arraez the best.  

10 minutes ago, jccracraft said:

As you say, we had a surplus of infielders. Julien may (or may not) end up actually being an upgrade from Arreaz. Plus we have others coming. Solid trade.

Julien may be the next to go as well...........with some depth, he may be intriguing for others for an SP

55 minutes ago, mickster said:

Arreaz has a non-valued skill set in todays MLB.

His skill set is valued quite highly in arbitration, more than it would be as a free agent.

9 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

His skill set is valued quite highly in arbitration, more than it would be as a free agent.

I would agree that arbitration numbers will inflate the cost, but won't get that value as a free agent.   This might not be the last time he is traded.

Arraez is a generational contact hitter a great all-around great guy. He is well-loved wherever he goes. Although many argued that he was a super utility guy, he wasn't. It was hard to find a place for him to play, but his bat found a place in the line-up. 

IMO Lopez/ Arraez trade was a no-brainer that helped both teams. I believe FO didn't want to trade him but not being able to extend him much like MIA was the last nail. If there was a winner it was us.

MIA did a 160 degree from wanting an MLB-ready SS & catcher to be a contender to a rebuild. Since they didn't get those players they wanted they didn't even try to be a contender which gave them the excuse to blow things up. Most everybody will be on the block.

Arraez  ( major leaguer ) was loved as a fan favorite  in twins uniform  because he hit like carew ...

Arraez  ( major leaguer ) is going to be just as loved by the Padres because he bats like Gwynn  ...

People are going to say his defense  isn't equal to Carew and Gwynn  , but you can't argue about the bat , love his style and professionalism  ...

Go Luis  , good luck on another promising chapter ...

" The Marlins’ side of the deal will take time to develop, but the Twins must be happy with how the initial trade played out. If nothing else, it's a good sign that they're not already considering another one. "

Who's not already considering another one? How do you know? If it's the Twins, anyone could be moved at the trade deadline outside of Buck and Correa who have no trade clauses. Not having a batting champion to trade only means the return won't be as good but I'd bet if the right offer came along it will be considered if it hasn't already. 

That's some terrible asset management by the Marlins. Considering the returns in the Luis Castillo, Dylan Cease, and Corbin Burnes trades, to turn Pablo Lopez into one year of Arraez and three borderline top-10 system prospects seems underwhelming.

I'm not sure what the offers they received at the 2022 deadline looked like, but the Dodgers were reportedly in very hot pursuit of Lopez. Maybe this mismanagement will persuade them to deal Luzardo sooner rather than later.

3 hours ago, rv78 said:

" The Marlins’ side of the deal will take time to develop, but the Twins must be happy with how the initial trade played out. If nothing else, it's a good sign that they're not already considering another one. "

Who's not already considering another one? How do you know? If it's the Twins, anyone could be moved at the trade deadline outside of Buck and Correa who have no trade clauses. Not having a batting champion to trade only means the return won't be as good but I'd bet if the right offer came along it will be considered if it hasn't already. 

C'mon bud, you know the point being made.

Would the Twins trade Pablo for someone like Ronald Acuna Jr., yes.

Is that in any way a realistic trade? No, obviously not. 

They aren't looking to trade him. If a team offered a ridiculous overpay, then yeah, most any team would say yes to most any trade if getting an outsized return.

The Twins didn't sign Pablo to that extension just to trade him a year in. They're looking for him to anchor the rotation for the next few years.

28 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

Contract. Honestly, this is one of the main reasons that the Twins were okay sending Luis away.  He is making $10.6M this year, and next year is his last year of arbitration.  He is going to get another pay raise.....or a long term deal.  IMO, the Marlins were always going to send him somewhere.....I would have guessed closer to the deadline if they were struggling or off-season if they were in the race though.

With Arraez's BABIP back down to normal levels this year, what do you give an elite contact hitter with an OPS around .400, a rare strikeout victim and average at best defense at 2B?  He is such a unique player.

I fully understand this recent decision, though I maybe would have waited until the deadline to see if someone wanted to overpay. What I do not understand is why the Marlins chose to acquire Luis Arraez over the absolute haul they could've gotten from the Dodgers. They knew that he was going to get $10-$20M in his final two arbitration years, and even if he played to his ceiling (which he did in '23), that contract would not be very team-friendly. 

The Marlins traded Pablo Lopez and two top-30 guys to Arraez. Then they traded Arraez for three top-30 guys and a low-leverage reliever. They traded at least two years of ace-level production (and a 2-0 postseason record so far) for one batting champion season, a low-leverage reliever, and a top-30 prospect (gained three, lost two). Again, considering the haul they were asking from the Dodgers, I'd say that they did a poor job. 

Dodgers Rumors: Marlins' asking price for Pablo Lopez was insane (dodgersway.com)