Three 'Combination' Minnesota Twins Trade Packages

I would rather get Mauricio instead of Baty but they are close to equivalent. Matt Allan is one guy I would like to target BECAUSE of the injury. Value lower due to the increased risk.

Can Rocker be traded once the Mets sign him?

Replace Matt Allen with either Crow-Armstrong or Baty and I'd be on board with all three trades. Feels like a rebuild is coming, these three moves would be a hell of a way to kick that effort off. 

Good proposals.  I hope the returns are generally pitching heavy though, like the Cruz deal.

Thompson and Wilson would be approximately fair for Pineda alone.

On 7/22/2021 at 11:50 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

I've wondered about this a few times and I think it's a good question to ask. My answer is... maybe? I'd probably firesale those two players but may wait until the offseason to do it. Moving all those players in a single deadline will be quite a challenge, particularly given the state of Buxton's health.

1 hour ago, terrydactyls said:

Did you mean replace either Crow-Armstrong or Bath with Matt Allen?

Yep, my bad. If the Mets were open to that type of deal I'd rather have Matt Allen + one of Crow-Armstrong or Baty. Probably Crow-Armstrong if the proposed Blue Jays trade was also in the works. But talent is talent, if the Twins can acquire multiple prospects of this level it's a win. 

Can't agree with either of the Berrios trades.  Forget the second piece leaving the Twins, the Twins should be asking about the return you suggest just for Jose...or more.  He's the best pitcher available this July, he is a near ACE, he is young, durable and you have him for almost a year and a half.  That's gonna cost you your #1 prospect, plus, plus.

Wasn't it interesting what the Twins just got for Cruz after many were suggesting they would get little in return?

Not to be a jerk here - But - Has TD ever posted a prediction of a trade and then that trade actually happened exactly as predicted?   Check the archives!

I know this is the equivalent of spitting into the wind, and I am probably showing my age, but you need to get major league talent for Berrios, not AA prospects no matter what number you attach to them.  That level of starting pitching in MLB is simply too rare to not get something current in return, especially with a bidding war going on.  Talk to a team with a deep bullpen and get a decent arm back, then talk about AA guys. 

Think I may prefer Martinez to Groshans.

None of these deals are remotely pitching-heavy enough, and the pitchers involved are generally not going to move the needle nearly enough.

9 minutes ago, RonCoomersOPS said:

None of these deals are remotely pitching-heavy enough, and the pitchers involved are generally not going to move the needle nearly enough.

If a rebuild is the direction this is headed then the FO just needs to get as much talent in return as they can. If Buxton, Kepler, Donaldson and others are leaving they'll need high end position player prospects and not like the pitching pipeline is in poor shape. 

Overpays only for these three or keep the asset for 2022. I think these are fair deals but it overpays. 

I would also be cautious of buying high on any prospect. The small sample of this season really needs to be in line with previous seasons and we don’t have 2020 data. If a guy is riding this year to their highest prospect status regression should be expected. There might be more value in buying low.

47 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I don’t know if I’m terribly interested in trading these guys unless too pitching prospects are the headline. 
 

I’m definitely not interested in trading the teams star reliever for reliever prospects though. 

Sadly looking at the updated prospect list at least from the sportingnews, none of the contenders have the top 5- 10 overall prospect that I would require for Berrios. If I am giving Berrios and his 1 1/2 of control and the option to negotiate with him, I want a sure fire major league player, somebody like, Jimenez, Torres, Robles, Kopech, Buehler, Bichette not a bunch of players to fill out the prospect lists.

Also I agree with you I don't want any pitcher that is already a relief pitcher for Berrios or Rogers, the odds that a starter they get will end up being a relief pitcher anyway.

Some thoughts on this most interesting time for Twins Fans:

I like Berrios and/or Rogers to the Dodgers.  They need both of them, and they have good pitching talent to trade.  Any discussion would have to start with Gray, who just made his MLB debut.

I like Pineda and/or Simmons to the Mets.  They don't want commitments for next year, but need SS help with Lindor's injury and starting pitching from Big Mike.  Make them pay, quality over quantity please.

Robles and/or Happ should be able to fetch a lottery ticket from someone.  Colome, not so much.

I would retain Donaldson unless someone gives a great offer, and the same for Buxton.  Don't want to trade at low value from Buxton, and STILL want to try and sign him to some type of creative contract this off-season.

Simple!  :)

6 minutes ago, Steve71 said:

Robles and/or Happ should be able to fetch a lottery ticket from someone.  Colome, not so much.

As much as I hate to say it (threw up a bit in my mouth) Colome has pitched his way into being a mid relief pitcher for a good team, and could bring back a flyer on a guy in A ball.

He has been good in July (2.35 in 7.2 innings), was great in May (1.74 in 10.1 innings), and only gave up runs in 4 of 11 games in July and if you take away the disaster again Baltimore his ERA would be under 4.

I am not saying he should be pitching late in a game for any team, but he might help out a team early in the game.

Don't let all this baloney (putting it nicely) make you feel better about anything.  Once again the Twins get by without giving out the big payday and they can say "we tried".   They have put us through this for YEARS now.  First and foremost, is they struggle to get prospects here, healthy and MLB ready.  They spend their years at AAA and by the time they get here it is always too late.  They need a new medical staff and a staff that can get the propects here before they are 30.  Our last first round pick Royce Lewis is no where to be seen.  Berrios and Buxton were the guys and now that it is payday time they are going to trade for more prospects or let them walk next year.  Am I the only one who sees this glass half empty scenario that plays out time and time again!

I say no to all of these. If we’re trading Berrios we need at least 2 high ranking pitchers back. Why are we wanting corner infielders and outfielders? Our problem is pitching and we’re trading our best. We should be getting back 3 SP’s if not more. Yeah, it’s nice to get other teams top prospects but we have way more than enough outfielders for sure. Did we not just see the Cruz trade? Unless it’s a Buxton type outfield prospect we should not be the least interested. 

All of these are light and mis guided. We need starting pitching prospects not relievers and SS that can’t stick at short.  Berrios is the most valuable available trade piece at the deadline. If Berrios is traded the other team is going to need to hurt big time. 

All three trades are "light" in return coming back as far as I am concerned. Add 2 more decent young prospects (pitching) to the Toronto trade. 2 for 2 and we give them 2 proven high end players. C'mon. HAVE to get more. 

Am fine with Groshans and Woods... but have to add a couple more arms in low minors... have to get arms... 

Can't see SD looking for Pineada... rumor today has them in the running for Berios and Taylor... Gore, Thompson and Mears... 

Mets... also looking for Berrios.. Got to get pitching back .. Baty, Matt Allen... and Lottery tickets from thier low minor leagues.. 

Is a sellers market for pitching .. controlled for another year.. better get a great haul.... !!

Think Tampa Bay.. when they make trades they get quality AND quantity...