Roster Decisions

[stringer bell]

It looks like Willingham will certainly be ready to go for the Twins next series, if not for the first game of the split DH. Also, Mastro and Ramirez appear to be on the verge of rejoining the Twins. There is a possibilty that Doumit goes on the 7-day concussion list. Two questions come to me, related but not the same: 1) What should the Twins do? and 2) What will the Twins do?

 

Here's my take: I think the Twins will add Willingham as soon as tomorrow, placing Doumit on the 7-day DL. They won't move Mastro up until he has exhausted his rehab time. What should be done is to bring Mastro and Willingham back, designate Clete and Ramirez with Doumit disabled.

[Rosterman]

Remember, the Twins are carrying an extra pitcher.

 

If Doumit goes on the DL, Hermann stays.

 

In three weeks all of this will be moot.

 

I'm sure they will exhaust Mastro and Ramirez as much as possible on rehab, but it may not be enough.

 

They still have options on Colaberro.

 

If they demote Thomas or Bernier or Ramirez, they get to pass thru waivers, not that people are lining up to claim them.

 

When Mastro comes back, they need to open up a 40-man roster spot.

 

Two changes can happen: Carroll and Roeincke (and Duensing) could be moved on waivers. Getting rid of two of those would free up necessary roster space.

 

DeVries could be moved to 60-day DL.

 

Hermsen or DeVries can be placed on waivers. I think Hermsen might be claimed and then removed from some otehr team's 40-man during the offseason.

 

But ultimately, right now, the Twins have to be looking at those players that will make a significant difference to keep around for 2013.

 

Hell, at this point, if someone did put in a waiver claim for Correia, Pelfry or Willingham, I would be willing to let them walk for no return (although i would like something for Willingham). Of course, I would ratehr see the Twins invest an additional $6-8 million in Pelfry.

 

And we all wonder about the State of Morneau.

 

After all this rambling, the only given is that Collabero will be sent to the minors when someone returns.

[E. Andrew]

You have lived up to your name, sir. Interesting options. I can't imagine Bernier would be a huge loss... And I'm guessing the Twins are now in love with Clete Thomas, for better of for worse. I bet we see him in 30+ games next year.

[Kwak]

I don't think Thomas will be going anyplace. Ramirez, hmm, maybe just DFA'd. DeVries could easily be placed on 60-day DL--it's not as if Rochester is panting to have him return.

Collabello is a wildcard. His BAVG suggests he is toast, but with Morneau's status (and 1B next season) in limbo, I think he will be retained to get a longer look at him.

[Danchat]

I say... Willingham replaces Bernier. And then Mastroianni will be added to the 40 man roster with De Vries added to the 60 day DL. Mastro will replace Colabello. I was going to say Herrmann, but with the potential of Doumit going on the 7 day DL....

 

I can't find a pitcher to demote. We should send one on waivers. Say goodbye to Duensing or Roenicke.

 

Also, Wilkin Ramirez can be DFA'd, but I haven't lost faith in him yet. If he starts to hit again he could be could be back in September.

[IdahoPilgrim]

One question - do MLB roster rules allow DeVries to be put on the major league 60-day DL? He is currently on the minor league DL, and I don't believe it is allowed to transfer someone from the minor league 7-day DL to the major league 60-day DL.

[SweetOne69]

One question - do MLB roster rules allow DeVries to be put on the major league 60-day DL? He is currently on the minor league DL, and I don't believe it is allowed to transfer someone from the minor league 7-day DL to the major league 60-day DL.

 

I believe that you are correct.

[diehardtwinsfan]

One question - do MLB roster rules allow DeVries to be put on the major league 60-day DL? He is currently on the minor league DL, and I don't believe it is allowed to transfer someone from the minor league 7-day DL to the major league 60-day DL.

 

He's started his rehab too. He'll be off it soon.

[Oldgoat_MN]

B.J. Hermsen has a WHIP of 1.849 and a SO/9 of 4.1. I have a hard time imagining anyone claiming him.

 

I like Clete Thomas and he has won a couple of games for us, but those are nearly all the hits he's gotten. His OPS is below .700 for almost every significant split except June. Ramirez and Mastro for CF?

 

Bernier plays SS, which is something not many Twins do. Unfortunately he adds little else.

I thought they sent Escobar to AAA to get more familiar with the SS position. I believed they were grooming him (short term) to be the utility infielder, but he's only played 11 games at SS. No idea what they are planning for SS in the future. (as far as backup to Florimon)

[IdahoPilgrim]

On Thomas, IIRC there was speculation that he had a "call up by xx/xx" clause in his contract, which is why he got the nod in June. If not honored, it would result in his being allowed to choose to be a free agent and leave the club.

 

If that clause does exist and is the reason he got the nod originally, would trying to send him back to Rochester violate that? Would it lead to his being able to leave?

 

Not that I would be that concerned if it did, but that might have to factor into what happens next, especially if we are perceived as being a little light in CF right now as an organization, as I have seen others in these forums suggest.

[stringer bell]

I think Colabello gets quite a few more at-bats this season. So far, he isn't much but those minor league numbers have merited a longer look. Ideally, the Twins should shed one relief pitcher. I'd like to see Pinto get a look next month after Rochester is done playing. Escobar, Parmelee and Hicks should all come back then and play a lot. I can't see anyone claiming Ramirez and he really doesn't have a job with the Twins any longer. Personally, I'd like to see Clete and Bernier get DFAed, but they probably won't. Hermsen has to be on the bubble to be DFAed and De Vries has barely pitched this year--he can't have much value to any team.

[stringer bell]

On Thomas, IIRC there was speculation that he had a "call up by xx/xx" clause in his contract, which is why he got the nod in June. If not honored, it would result in his being allowed to choose to be a free agent and leave the club.

 

If that clause does exist and is the reason he got the nod originally, would trying to send him back to Rochester violate that? Would it lead to his being able to leave?

 

Not that I would be that concerned if it did, but that might have to factor into what happens next, especially if we are perceived as being a little light in CF right now as an organization, as I have seen others in these forums suggest.

If Clete is designated, he will have the option to be a free agent if he wants. Any player who is DFAed more than once has the option to become a free agent. Clete was designated by the Twins and I believe was designated by the Tigers, too. If Mastro is healthy, he is as much a CF as Thomas. As far as the rest of the season (or at least until Hicks is back), the Twins can operate without a true CF, for all that it matters.

[IdahoPilgrim]

It might be a bit before the Rochester players have finished their season - looks likely they are going to the playoffs.

[Kwak]

"(or at least Hicks is back)"... Considering his AAA experience it appears unlikely it will be this September. If we include April-August, next season doesn't look so good either.

[Oldgoat_MN]

"(or at least Hicks is back)"... Considering his AAA experience it appears unlikely it will be this September. If we include April-August, next season doesn't look so good either.

 

Completely agree. A .451 OPS in AAA does not tell me that he is ready to play CF in MLB. Hicks' number are from a SSS, I know, but Drew Butera has never had an OPS in MLB that was that low.

Hopefully Hicks can pick up the pace. His D is quality MLB stuff.

[Mike Sixel]

Maybe he should stop switch hitting?

[jorgenswest]

One question - do MLB roster rules allow DeVries to be put on the major league 60-day DL? He is currently on the minor league DL, and I don't believe it is allowed to transfer someone from the minor league 7-day DL to the major league 60-day DL.

 

I think the Yankees made a move like that with Betances last year. They may have had to put him on the major league roster first.

[Kwak]

Maybe he should stop switch hitting?

 

He needs to just hit--period. Seeing as if every breaking ball mystifies him--even when they "break toward him", it is certain that he would be helpless when they break away from him.

[drjim]

Maybe he should stop switch hitting?

 

It would probably take two years in the minors to train as a RH hitter against RH pitcher. That ship has probably sailed.

[Mike Sixel]

Ya, I should probably give up on that dream.....

[ashbury]

Ya, I should probably give up on that dream.....

 

'Specially in a thread about roster decisions due to guys coming off the DL...

[Riverbrian]

Remember, the Twins are carrying an extra pitcher.

 

If Doumit goes on the DL, Hermann stays.

 

In three weeks all of this will be moot.

 

I'm sure they will exhaust Mastro and Ramirez as much as possible on rehab, but it may not be enough.

 

They still have options on Colaberro.

 

If they demote Thomas or Bernier or Ramirez, they get to pass thru waivers, not that people are lining up to claim them.

 

When Mastro comes back, they need to open up a 40-man roster spot.

 

Two changes can happen: Carroll and Roeincke (and Duensing) could be moved on waivers. Getting rid of two of those would free up necessary roster space.

 

DeVries could be moved to 60-day DL.

 

Hermsen or DeVries can be placed on waivers. I think Hermsen might be claimed and then removed from some otehr team's 40-man during the offseason.

 

But ultimately, right now, the Twins have to be looking at those players that will make a significant difference to keep around for 2013.

 

Hell, at this point, if someone did put in a waiver claim for Correia, Pelfry or Willingham, I would be willing to let them walk for no return (although i would like something for Willingham). Of course, I would ratehr see the Twins invest an additional $6-8 million in Pelfry.

 

And we all wonder about the State of Morneau.

 

After all this rambling, the only given is that Collabero will be sent to the minors when someone returns.

 

I always appreciate your Posts Rosterman

[The Wise One]

Of course they can send down a RP, they have a proven emergency relief guy in Carroll. They have a designated bunter/pitcher.

[Thrylos]

One question - do MLB roster rules allow DeVries to be put on the major league 60-day DL? He is currently on the minor league DL, and I don't believe it is allowed to transfer someone from the minor league 7-day DL to the major league 60-day DL.

 

Technically, they can buy one of his options, thus adding him to the 25 man roster and then move him to the 60-day DL.

 

no need to do that anyways...

 

 

The Twins need to showcase Willingham, Morneau, Carroll, Doumit (good luck now) and a few of the pitchers and see if they can trade them sooner than later...

[ScottyB]

It's official - Doumit to 7-Day Concussion DL, Willingham activated

[stringer bell]

Well, that's the way I predicted it would shake out. Does anyone know exactly when Mastrianni and Ramirez started their respective rehabs? Also, what is the maximum amount of time a player can be on a rehab assignment?

[Butterfingers8]

20 days and I think it was around the 1st of the month

[stringer bell]

20 days and I think it was around the 1st of the month

Today's PP says Mastro's time is up on 8/15. The Twins will have to make a move on the 40-day and the 25 man if they want to keep him.

[ScottyB]

I'm assuming with the Carroll trade that Escobar comes back to take his place. Then Thursday when Mastro is ready to come off the DL that either Colabello gets sent down, Justin gets traded or maybe Thomas gets DFA'd (because he doesn't have options left).

[pab]

I'm assuming with the Carroll trade that Escobar comes back to take his place. Then Thursday when Mastro is ready to come off the DL that either Colabello gets sent down, Justin gets traded or maybe Thomas gets DFA'd (because he doesn't have options left).

 

They sent Escobar down to get playing time. Carroll wasn't really playing, so bringing him back doesn't make sense to me. You don't actually need two utility infielders on the bench. I think they'll replace Carroll with Mastrionni.