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2 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

Nick Gordon would have been an MVP if he could just improve his instincts, fix the hole in his swing and recognize the zone a little better. 

Admittedly, there are a lot of big if's for every prospect and past performance does not guarantee future success.

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2 hours ago, HarmonK03 said:

The moves with Gray and Jackson are neither for rebuilding or competitive, that's the problem.  And it shows how there is no change, they value the fringe players or over their own prospects.  Gray has no business being on a major league roster and shouldn't be recalled.  The only role Jackson should have is backup catcher and that role is currently being filled by Caratini.

They are making these moves because they think it makes them competitive.  I don't know what more evidence Tom P. needs but Zoll should be fired today, not the end of the season.

Agree 1000% on Zoll (fire him already!).

But they are not making these moves because they value fringe players.  They are making these moves because they are wed to the moves they made in the past.  They traded or signed these players and to give up on them would mean 1) some financial hit, and 2) and admission that they made a bad trade or signing, or 3) some level of embarrassment.

Its like Wallner's case.  The management have tried for five years to make Wallner into a useful MLB player and it has not happened.  He has a good arm and some occasional power, but two out of five tools is not a useful MLB player.  But he was a first round pick and the Twins just can't let go of that draft mistake,  No matter how many times they send him to AAA, where the pitching is not nearly as good as MLB, he is not going to blossom into an MLBer.   How many other cases do we have like this:  Brooks Lee, Chase Petty, Aaron Sabato, Keoni Cavaco, Larnach, Royce Lewis, Ales Krirlloff, Tyler Jay, Kohl Stewart, Levi Michael.....these are all first rounders that the Twins missed on.  Now, I still have hope for Lee and Lewis, and maybe we can trade Larnach.  But what a mess of 1st round picks! 

There are two questions:  1) are the Twins really bad at picking first rounders (OK, but Vaughn Lacky was a gimmee...it was an obvious pick that needed no analysis).  Yeah, they are.  Start looking at the scouts!  And, 2) how can all of these first rounders not develop into fine MLBers?  (see Lee, Lewis,....heck the whole list!).  If at least some of these were good picks, then why couldn't we develop them?  Lewis is filled with talent...how did we mess him up so badly?  Fire the development staff!

Oh my what a mess!  And Zoll is in charge of it all.....

 

Posted
22 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

Have him work with Hawkins. If he could teach Funderburk how to throw things near the zone, Wallner's got the arm 😄

I actually think Wallner does have a better chance of helping in the bullpen for a team than he does on defense in an outfield. His best position player position at this point is probably dh, so why not try pitching again in the kbo. Have him hit too, why not? If you could find a 6th inning reliever AND Matt Stairs 2.0 in one position, that would be fun to cheer for right?

I'm probably nuts, but it makes sense to me.

Posted
10 minutes ago, JADBP said:

Agree 1000% on Zoll (fire him already!).

But they are not making these moves because they value fringe players.  They are making these moves because they are wed to the moves they made in the past.  They traded or signed these players and to give up on them would mean 1) some financial hit, and 2) and admission that they made a bad trade or signing, or 3) some level of embarrassment.

Its like Wallner's case.  The management have tried for five years to make Wallner into a useful MLB player and it has not happened.  He has a good arm and some occasional power, but two out of five tools is not a useful MLB player.  But he was a first round pick and the Twins just can't let go of that draft mistake,  No matter how many times they send him to AAA, where the pitching is not nearly as good as MLB, he is not going to blossom into an MLBer.   How many other cases do we have like this:  Brooks Lee, Chase Petty, Aaron Sabato, Keoni Cavaco, Larnach, Royce Lewis, Ales Krirlloff, Tyler Jay, Kohl Stewart, Levi Michael.....these are all first rounders that the Twins missed on.  Now, I still have hope for Lee and Lewis, and maybe we can trade Larnach.  But what a mess of 1st round picks! 

There are two questions:  1) are the Twins really bad at picking first rounders (OK, but Vaughn Lacky was a gimmee...it was an obvious pick that needed no analysis).  Yeah, they are.  Start looking at the scouts!  And, 2) how can all of these first rounders not develop into fine MLBers?  (see Lee, Lewis,....heck the whole list!).  If at least some of these were good picks, then why couldn't we develop them?  Lewis is filled with talent...how did we mess him up so badly?  Fire the development staff!

Oh my what a mess!  And Zoll is in charge of it all.....

 

My hope is that the scouting and drafting bias turns from "light tower power" to "elite athleticism."

Posted
39 minutes ago, SE23 said:

My hope is that the scouting and drafting bias turns from "light tower power" to "elite athleticism."

Until you have a change in the front office, this won't happen.  

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