Carlos Correa Isn’t the Enemy (Some) Twins Fans Are Making Him Out to Be

[tarheeltwinsfan]

47 minutes ago, Rufus said:

The Twins owners let him down?  The guy opted out of his original contract.  only  resigning with the Twins when two other teams passed on him for physical reasons.  The Twins took a chance and signed him for a team record contract.  He then went out and underperformed for the 2.5 seasons, spending a large amount of time on the IL.  He knew full well the Twins signed him to play SS. but then he was traded he whined that he had asked the Twins to move him to 3rd base.  .  and the Twins ownership let him down?  What a Prima Donna

"re-signing"

[Rufus]

24 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

"re-signing"

What ever.   

[D.C Twins]

"He hasn’t looked right at the plate. But he was still out there every day, playing shortstop, doing his job, even as the season turned to dust. That has to count for something."

If it counts for something.... it is nominally more than a replacement player who could be paid 30+ million less.

Oh.... and he is only going to get worse toward the end of his contract... so there is that...

[dxpavelka]

The only thing Twins fans hate more than ownership not spending big money on players is ownership spending big money on players.

[dxpavelka]

33 minutes ago, D.C Twins said:

"He hasn’t looked right at the plate. But he was still out there every day, playing shortstop, doing his job, even as the season turned to dust. That has to count for something."

If it counts for something.... it is nominally more than a replacement player who could be paid 30+ million less.

Oh.... and he is only going to get worse toward the end of his contract... so there is that...

Wait.  A guy signs a big contract lengthy contract and toward the back end of that contract the player doesn't seem to be worth the contract?  That's crazy.  I've never heard of such a thing.  Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrerra, Joe Mauer, Chris Davis, Mike Hampton, Anthony Rendon, Jacoby Elsburry, Giancarlo Standon, Steven Strasberg, Alphonso Soriano, Jason Bay, Gary Matthews, Jason Werth, Barry Zito.  It's almost as if signing players to lucrative, long term contracts is a bad idea.

 

[old nurse]

About the only comment that i recall making Correa out to be a villain was not a fan but a clickbait artist on a Twins  fan site claiming he negatively influenced the young batters. 

[yeahyabetcha]

16 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

I wish, but the Mauer Experience is instructive to how some people behave. Same with Buxton. two of the most gifted Twins of my lifetime and people seem itching to crap on them. (I'll never forgive Dan Barreiro and his ilk for leading the charge against Mauer because he took too many walks and didn't have enough RBIs. 🙄)

So it isn’t just me who find Barreiro one of the most uninformed sports talkers in America when it comes to baseball?

[saviking]

I held all along ad nauseum that we never shoukd have signed Correa the second time due to the we were a small market team and couldn't afford to pay one player 36 million unless he was a big time difference maker and could stay on the field. Took a lot of shot over it and probably will for this post. 

Had Correa proved me wrong I would have admitted it. Before the deadline I said I would give Correa away for free to rid our selves of his salary. And we did but best we could do is rid ourselves of 70% of his salary. If that doesn't prove my point I don't know what does.

That said, I never had anything personally against Correa. He was a great teammate but never thought he was the leader of the team. 

[chpettit19]

I don't get why people are excited to go back to the old way of doing things. "Can't spend that much on 1 player!" Why? Because spreading the money out over lesser players goes so well for the Twins? Or any mid- or small-market team? Yeah, things were going so well when they had all that "financial flexibility" before. The league is shaking in their boots now that the Twins are back to not spending on elite level talent anymore.

[Rod Carews Birthday]

3 hours ago, yeahyabetcha said:

So it isn’t just me who find Barreiro one of the most uninformed sports talkers in America when it comes to baseball?

You could have put the period after America and saved the rest of the words.  

[old nurse]

3 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I don't get why people are excited to go back to the old way of doing things. "Can't spend that much on 1 player!" Why? Because spreading the money out over lesser players goes so well for the Twins? Or any mid- or small-market team? Yeah, things were going so well when they had all that "financial flexibility" before. The league is shaking in their boots now that the Twins are back to not spending on elite level talent anymore.

It worked pretty well in 1991. The winning years in the first decade of this century the money was pretty divided. The thing is not really the money for one rather it is do you have a couple of young position players and a couple young starters performing.  This year is not going well because of the money spent on Correa. Had two of Julian, Miranda, Larnach, and Lee developed into above average hitters as well as one of Festa and Mathew’s into an above average pitcher, this season would be looking a lot different 

[chpettit19]

47 minutes ago, old nurse said:

It worked pretty well in 1991. The winning years in the first decade of this century the money was pretty divided. The thing is not really the money for one rather it is do you have a couple of young position players and a couple young starters performing.  This year is not going well because of the money spent on Correa. Had two of Julian, Miranda, Larnach, and Lee developed into above average hitters as well as one of Festa and Mathew’s into an above average pitcher, this season would be looking a lot different 

Development is the key to every team's success. 100% of the them. Including the Yankees and Dodgers and Mets. Correa's deal never hurt the Twins. Just like Mauer's deal didn't. What's hurt the Twins is, like you say, the Julien, Miranda, Larnach, Lees of the world failing to develop/be developed. If you can develop players you can pay a Correa because the players you develop get paid the league minimum. 

People are excited that they traded Correa and can now move on and start over and start playing these young guys and "rebuild" for 2027 with Culpepper, Gonzalez, Keaschall, and Jenkins. Well, those 4 will combine to make less than $4 million in 2027. Correa wasn't hurting that process.

The 1991 MN Twins had Kirby Puckett at 3.16 million and Jack Morris at 3.7 million. The highest paid player in baseball in 1991 was Darryl Strawberry at 3.8 million (according to baseball reference). The '91 Twins weren't exactly avoiding spending big for stars. I heard those Puckett and Morris fellas were pretty important to that '91 team. Something about a homerun and 10 innings pitched, maybe? Morris was only with the Twins in 1991 because the Twins went out and signed him as a free agent to superstar money that previous offseason. Went worst to first by paying a star star money. What worked in 1991 was paying a star.

[Squirrel]

17 hours ago, Rufus said:

What ever.   

It makes a difference as the meanings are different.

[Edgard]

We are so ungrateful, Correa took this team to the Playoff after many years, he was an All Star last year and he brought his leadership and pedigree to this ball club. He wanted  to stay in MN and accomplish his ultimate goal. We never gonna have that kind of leadership,and clutch hitter for a long time, he is winner.

[Rufus]

16 hours ago, Squirrel said:

It makes a difference as the meanings are different.

It was a. typo...Mr Grammar Police