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Twins (TBD) vs Tigers (Gipson-Long): 6/27/25, 6:10pm

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Vanimal46
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Old friend tossed a Greg Maddux tonight 

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Lee has been hitting, to be sure, but man he is SLOW.

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Per the Twins on BlueSky, Festa is the starting pitcher. 

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Okay, time for a rant. I come to game threads and post-game threads and see posters second guessing literally everything that doesn't go right. The manager, front office and players are all justifiable targets, but it seems endless. You run and get caught stealing, you get roasted. You don't run and the guy hits into a double play, you get roasted. You bring in a reliever and he gets hit, you get criticized, keep the pitcher in for a third time through the order--similar snark.

Clemens has been a big surprise and he's criticized for his BA. I was hearing howls when Wallner was rehabbing to bring him up right away. The same for Lewis, but when they struggle, they should have stayed down longer.

I think Rocco Baldelli is lucky he is managing a team in Minnesota. He may well have been fired if managing in rabid cities like Philly, Boston and New York and maybe he should have earlier this year, but he's not the worst manager the Twins ever had (Ray Miller), but the incessant second guessing and meritless criticism for players' struggles is too much. The Pohlads seem totally tone-deaf and pretty unconcerned with a product that is losing interest and attendance, but I don't think the Twins owners are the worst in baseball.

I've been a Twins fan since they moved here and I've seen most everything from world championships to "total system failure" and I like to be entertained by my favorite pro sports team. I also like to compare what's going on with my favorite team versus what other teams do. For example, Gipson-Long has used behind an opener until his last two starts and the Tigers have been really successful. Other managers pull their starters after two times through the lineup. It isn't just Rocco. Every other team has players who make fundamental mistakes, I guarantee it. End of rant.

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3 minutes ago, Western SD Fan said:

Good news:  Hopefully we put a crooked number up.  Bad news:  The longer this inning goes on, the more of a chance that Rocco gets the itch to take Festa out.

Festa back out. Yay!

And then Lee with a Brooks Robinson type of play.

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8 minutes ago, karcherd said:

Pinch hit for Wallner but not for Clemens, someone please give a logical reason for this.  

Who's left? And do you want to use three of your bench moves in the 6th inning? Because, the only logical pinch hitter would be Jeffers which would lose the only backup catcher and then someone would have to play second base (Bride, with Lee going from third to second).

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Just now, stringer bell said:

Who's left? And do you want to use three of your bench moves in the 6th inning? Because, the only logical pinch hitter would be Jeffers which would lose the only backup catcher and then someone would have to play second base (Bride, with Lee going from third to second).

Exactly 

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stringer bell,

I joined TD last year. Is the negativity/second guessing a new thing or has it been going on for longer. I ask because you have 20,000 posts so must be a long time member.

I do think it's socil media illness but as long as I can remember there has been 'the monday morning quarterback' situation in sports.

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1 minute ago, ziggy said:

stringer bell,

I joined TD last year. Is the negativity/second guessing a new thing or has it been going on for longer. I ask because you have 20,000 posts so must be a long time member.

I do think it's socil media illness but as long as I can remember there has been 'the monday morning quarterback' situation in sports.

It's more recent.  It's always been snarky with a good (necessary) dose of negativity, but the last two years have turned toxic.

It's best just to avoid the game threads and enjoy the articles!

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Just now, stringer bell said:

Who's left? And do you want to use three of your bench moves in the 6th inning? Because, the only logical pinch hitter would be Jeffers which would lose the only backup catcher and then someone would have to play second base (Bride, with Lee going from third to second).

I want Wallner up in that situation in the 6th inning.  If it's the 8th or 9th, I can be convinced to pinch hit but now we lose his bat later in the game against a tougher right handed pitcher.  You can't manage for every situation, you need every day players and if Wallner isn't good enough then move on.  And no I don't want that to happen.  But you can't have a team of platoon players, the rosters are not big enough.

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1 minute ago, ziggy said:

stringer bell,

I joined TD last year. Is the negativity/second guessing a new thing or has it been going on for longer. I ask because you have 20,000 posts so must be a long time member.

I do think it's socil media illness but as long as I can remember there has been 'the monday morning quarterback' situation in sports.

Because of the results in 2022 and 2024, I think there's quite a bit of negativity and it's grown with each passing year. I don't blame people for being critical and cynical. I blame people for being unfairly negative.

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3 minutes ago, karcherd said:

I want Wallner up in that situation in the 6th inning.  If it's the 8th or 9th, I can be convinced to pinch hit but now we lose his bat later in the game against a tougher right handed pitcher.  You can't manage for every situation, you need every day players and if Wallner isn't good enough then move on.  And no I don't want that to happen.  But you can't have a team of platoon players, the rosters are not big enough.

Yep, certainly a debatable call. I'd rather see Wallner, too. What is true is that Rocco has pinch hit far less and his lefty hitters have gotten far more chances against lefties than in any of the last three years.

Also, I'm disappointed Lee didn't take second on the overthrow to third.

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Just now, stringer bell said:

Yep, certainly a debatable call. I'd rather see Wallner, too. What is true is that Rocco has pinch hit far less and his lefty hitters have gotten far more chances against lefties than in any of the last three years.

It struck me as a defensive move.  It's a bit early, but I think Rocco thought runs for Detroit would be at a premium and wanted to shift to run prevention.

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