Twins (Paddack) vs Braves (Elder): 4/18/25, 6:15pm

[IndyTwinsFan]

1 minute ago, mnfireman said:

4-1 in the 8th should be about as safe as it gets...

True, but it obviously wasn't here, as this is a team game here.

[exeoud]

Just now, RpR said:

One game for Keaschall prove nothing, let's see how he does in the next ones.

Big league debut in a hostile environment, looked like the one of the most impactful guys on the field, some guys have it and some guys don't. But Rocco's spreadsheets tell him Jax's xFIP should regress to the mean

[TheLeviathan]

1 minute ago, IndyTwinsFan said:

But he isn't, so we're forced to live with it.

Another brutal loss by a brutally bad team.

Oh for sure....my point was that it doesn't feel anywhere this close to reality and also.....who had Jax in their "sabotage the season" rankings as #1.

Just weird.

[howeda7]

Jax earned a chance to get right, but enough already. He's worse than Pagan. You can't send him out there in anything but a mop-up situation for at least his next 3-4 outings. Either that or domote him. 

[mnfireman]

1 minute ago, Vanimal46 said:

His BABIP is absurd right now but he’s not cooked the whole season. This is a lesson in relievers being the kings of SSS 

He can't be counted on right now, and until he figures it out in some low-pressure situations, he should not be out there with the game on the line, especially against the heart of the line-up.

[mnfireman]

3 minutes ago, IndyTwinsFan said:

But he isn't, so we're forced to live with it.

Another brutal loss by a brutally bad team.

The team was up 4-1 in the 8th, the only brutal part about it was Jax...

[IndyTwinsFan]

4 minutes ago, OvertheHill said:

True but where I am coming from is that our top 4 batters in the lineup were 1 for 14 and the team had a total of one base runner after the 4th inning. I felt like the Braves were just sitting there waiting to be knocked out and we just don’t have the lineup to do it most nights. At least up to this point of the season. 

Spot on viewpoint.

[Parfigliano]

4 minutes ago, exeoud said:

Because Bryce Elder sucks, when they put in actual big league guys it's more of the same we've seen all year. Tomorrow is an auto loss with Chris Sale on the mound, especially with SWR opposing him

Sale isn't a world beater so far this year.

[Aggies7]

3 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

Jax earned a chance to get right, but enough already. He's worse than Pagan. You can't send him out there in anything but a mop-up situation for at least his next 3-4 outings. Either that or domote him. 

I agree, no team immediately demotes a guy who’s done what he has in the past.

[IndyTwinsFan]

3 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

Jax earned a chance to get right, but enough already. He's worse than Pagan. You can't send him out there in anything but a mop-up situation for at least his next 3-4 outings. Either that or domote him. 

Demotion may not be a viable option at this stage of his career. 

[exeoud]

2 minutes ago, Parfigliano said:

Sale isn't a world beater so far this year.

Yeah because he's faced the Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, and Rays. We're a single A lineup compared to any of those.

[RpR]

2 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

The team was up 4-1 in the 8th, the only brutal part about it was Jax...

They were up 4-0 in the 4th; they were down 0-6 for the next 5 innings.

Jax peed it away but the bats were totally silent, a story that seems to follow the Twins around for quite some time now.

Early lead in a loss.

[mnfireman]

8 minutes ago, OvertheHill said:

True but where I am coming from is that our top 4 batters in the lineup were 1 for 14 and the team had a total of one base runner after the 4th inning. I felt like the Braves were just sitting there waiting to be knocked out and we just don’t have the lineup to do it most nights. At least up to this point of the season. 

Still had a 3 run lead with 6 outs to go. Jax couldn't get it done and should not be counted on going forward.

[Vanimal46]

5 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

He can't be counted on right now, and until he figures it out in some low-pressure situations, he should not be out there with the game on the line, especially against the heart of the line-up.

I agree with you but the team was up 3 runs. That’s a pretty low pressure situation. Tonight was just one of those blow up nights that relievers have. Then they spend the next 2 months trying to correct the 1 terrible outing so their ERA is back to respectable. 

[OvertheHill]

6 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

Jax earned a chance to get right, but enough already. He's worse than Pagan. You can't send him out there in anything but a mop-up situation for at least his next 3-4 outings. Either that or domote him. 

Yeah I don’t think you demote him. Likely they’ll drop him down into low leverage situations and let him work through it as frustrating as it is. It wasn’t that long ago he was a pretty valuable asset. 

[howeda7]

4 minutes ago, IndyTwinsFan said:

Demotion may not be a viable option at this stage of his career. 

Why not? He has options remaining. 

[exeoud]

3 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

I agree with you but the team was up 3 runs. That’s a pretty low pressure situation. Tonight was just one of those blow up nights that relievers have. Then they spend the next 2 months trying to correct the 1 terrible outing so their ERA is back to respectable. 

Jax will have to throw like 40 straight innings of scoreless ball from here on out to match last year's ERA. He's lost a lot of money this year and it's completely deserved.

[IndyTwinsFan]

1 minute ago, Vanimal46 said:

I agree with you but the team was up 3 runs. That’s a pretty low pressure situation. Tonight was just one of those blow up nights that relievers have. Then they spend the next 2 months trying to correct the 1 terrible outing so their ERA is back to respectable. 

Unfortunately, he's had plenty of blow-up games so far this season.  It has to stop and I don't know the answer for dealing with it.

[OvertheHill]

1 minute ago, mnfireman said:

Still had a 3 run lead with 6 outs to go. Jax couldn't get it done and should not be counted on going forward.

Yeah he’s painful to watch right now. Mechanics? Mental? I dunno but I hope they work through it in lower leverage situations. 

[mnfireman]

1 minute ago, RpR said:

They were up 4-0 in the 4th; they were down 0-6 for the next 5 innings.

Jax peed it away but the bats were totally silent, a story that seems to follow the Twins around for quite some time now.

Early lead in a loss.

You're not getting 10 runs every night. 4 runs is enough to win a MLB game. The BP, and Jax specifically, needs to be accountable.

[RpR]

Just now, mnfireman said:

You're not getting 10 runs every night. 4 runs is enough to win a MLB game. The BP, and Jax specifically, needs to be accou ntable.

Which game did the Twins score 10 runs, I know they lost one 9-0.

[Jocko87]

31 minutes ago, OvertheHill said:

Back to reality. Previous two games were fun. This game reminds us that this is deeply flawed roster. 

How so?

[BillyBallLives]

10 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Then they spend the next 2 months trying to correct the 1 terrible outing so their ERA is back to respectable. 

This is his 2nd horrible appearance in a row.  Should have taken a loss vs the Mets if the Umpires had not gifted the Twins a run in the 6th inning. 

[BillyBallLives]

 

Now he has something to fix.

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"I just found myself always gravitating back toward the bullpen. I’m sure part of it is because I failed as a starter at the big-league level, and found some pretty good success in the bullpen. But at the same time, I just feel like my personality just thrives in that back-end, late-inning role now. I almost just look at it as, ‘If it’s not broken, why bother trying to fix it?’”

Griffin Jax on staying in the bullpen (The Athletic)

 

 

[knothole61]

18 minutes ago, RpR said:

One game for Keaschall proves nothing, let's see how he does in the next ones.

RpR, that's absolutely true...there's nothing so common as a newbie (pitcher or position player) bursting onto the scene in dramatic fashion until the book is written on him. I think that Miranda and Julian, for example, debuted as world beaters but have settled back into something much less reliable. 

But...maybe we have caught lightening in a bottle with this guy. I remember listening on the trusty transistor radio to Rod Carew's fist game. He had a hit in his first at bat and ended up 2 for 4 against the Orioles in Baltimore. I had a feeling he was going to be something special--and that worked out! While I'm not saying that he will become another Rod Carew (that's impossible) but I do have the same feeling in Keaschall's case; that he's going to be something special. We'll see... 

[mnfireman]

27 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

I agree with you but the team was up 3 runs. That’s a pretty low pressure situation. Tonight was just one of those blow up nights that relievers have. Then they spend the next 2 months trying to correct the 1 terrible outing so their ERA is back to respectable. 

No its not, by MLB definition its a save situation. One of those nights? He's given up 7 ER in his last 1.1 innings of work. He's appeared in 9 games; in 5 of those games he's given up 0 ER over 5 IP, in the other 4 games he's given up 9 ER over 3 IP; nothing but blow-outs (low-leverage) for a little while...

[David HK]

1 hour ago, Aggies7 said:

Jax is about to go from “he’s the real closer” to a 6-7th inning guy real soon

6th-7th inning guy in St. Paul, more like. 😝

[IndyTwinsFan]

9 minutes ago, BillyBallLives said:

 

Now he has something to fix.

----

"I just found myself always gravitating back toward the bullpen. I’m sure part of it is because I failed as a starter at the big-league level, and found some pretty good success in the bullpen. But at the same time, I just feel like my personality just thrives in that back-end, late-inning role now. I almost just look at it as, ‘If it’s not broken, why bother trying to fix it?’”

Griffin Jax on staying in the bullpen (The Athletic)

 

 

I think it's become abundantly clear to many of us that it is now broken and needs to be fixed.  The sooner the better.

[mnfireman]

18 minutes ago, RpR said:

Which game did the Twins score 10 runs, I know they lost one 9-0.

Before tonight they were 7-2 when scoring 4 or more runs, not only does no one like a smart***, being a smart*** will only get you so far (don't ask me how I know)

[Vanimal46]

6 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

No its not, by MLB definition its a save situation. One of those nights? He's given up 7 ER in his 1.1 innings of work. He's appeared in 9 games; in 5 of those games he's given up 0 ER over 5 IP, in the other 4 games he's given up 9 ER over 3 IP; nothing but blow-outs (low-leverage) for a little while...

There’s a reason why the Dobnaks of the world are pitching in the 8th and 9th inning when a team is down by 3 runs… Same thing when you’re up by 3 runs. 

Per your breakdown, he’s had 5 out of 9 appearances with a 0. 2 appearances 1.2 IP 2 earned runs. Then the last 2 disaster appearances 1.1 IP 7 ER.

Ive got no issue getting him back on track with a mop up appearance or 2, but he will be back to performing like we’ve seen the last 2 seasons.