Make it Official! Twins 3, Dodgers 2: Tacos for Julien, All Clear for Okert

[Jeff K]

16 hours ago, Azviking101 said:

It can’t be overstated that the twins pitching holding the Dodgers to four runs a game with our three, four, and five starters pitching, and a current makeshift bullpen is pretty wonderful. The Dodgers had been averaging six runs a game before that

I still would love some more starting pitching, but at the very least this bullpen is going to be absolutely dominant when healthy. 

Good call out.  This series did not set up well for the Twins.  Incredible how well the relief pitching has been with all of the injuries.  We need 7 innings from Lopez today as our best guys are likely not available out of the pen today.

[Riverbrian]

13 hours ago, ashbury said:

Three runs, six hits?  LOL no.  Sounds like a fun game, which I had to miss due to other commitments, but let's tap the brakes a little on this offensive "outburst."

6 Hits from 3 players total. This means that 6 players in the starting lineup yesterday have 151 games left to play.. 😉

[2wins87]

16 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

Correa came a long way to be the cut on that throw to the plate. 

The cut system may have changed a bit since I was younger. However, normally on a ball into the RF corner like that. Correa would man the 2nd base bag and the 1st baseman would be the cut to the plate. 

I'm not arguing Correa taking the cut because I've always designed my cut system a little bit different than what was standard or used to be standard.

I always wanted my strongest arm guy to handle as many cuts as he can. My strongest arm guy was typically the SS so he would get to whatever he could within reason. 

Anyway... Correa came a long way to be the cut on that wonderful throw to the plate. 

Kudos.  

I think the second baseman taking the cutoff for a play like that probably is still standard.  Correa was shifted behind second base for a lefty hitter, so it wasn't as far as it could have been.

Julien's throwing mechanics seem to have been cleaned up a lot from when he first came up, but you still want Correa taking any cutoff he can get into position for.  I would be curious to see how the play developed away from the ball.  Was Correa the obvious cutoff man from the start or did he call an audible with Julien?

Would've liked to see Kirilloff be a little more aggressive going after the ball in the corner, but he doesn't have much experience playing the caroms out there, and kudos to him too for making a good throw to Correa to set up the relay.

[Riverbrian]

7 minutes ago, 2wins87 said:

I think the second baseman taking the cutoff for a play like that probably is still standard.  Correa was shifted behind second base for a lefty hitter, so it wasn't as far as it could have been.

Julien's throwing mechanics seem to have been cleaned up a lot from when he first came up, but you still want Correa taking any cutoff he can get into position for.  I would be curious to see how the play developed away from the ball.  Was Correa the obvious cutoff man from the start or did he call an audible with Julien?

Would've liked to see Kirilloff be a little more aggressive going after the ball in the corner, but he doesn't have much experience playing the caroms out there, and kudos to him too for making a good throw to Correa to set up the relay.

I agree with you. 

In that situation the lead runner is priority and the SS in that spot on the field for a cut 4 was either something they do in an effort for Correa to handle as many cuts as possible or a communication with Julien on the fly. I'm not 100% sure but most major league teams lineup a double cut with the 2b and 1b lined up in the shallow OF for a cut to direct and handle any type of throw. 

The only video I've seen to review it doesn't show Julien's position at the time of the throw. It does show Julien drift toward first base when the ball has hit. There was certainly enough time for Correa and Julien to switch roles.

The one thing that you can see is that there wasn't a double cut lined up because the video showed that Santana was just kinda hanging around the 1B area in no man's land and was certainly not lined up to be a part of what was about to happen. 

It was Kirilloff to Correa and Correa to the plate. If either of those two blow the throw it's a tie game.  

IMO... I think it's smart for Correa to handle as many cuts as he can because he is fantastic at it so if they are off script on this.

Kudo's.   

[jorgenswest]

18 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

Correa came a long way to be the cut on that throw to the plate. 

The cut system may have changed a bit since I was younger. However, normally on a ball into the RF corner like that. Correa would man the 2nd base bag and the 1st baseman would be the cut to the plate. 

I'm not arguing Correa taking the cut because I've always designed my cut system a little bit different than what was standard or used to be standard.

I always wanted my strongest arm guy to handle as many cuts as he can. My strongest arm guy was typically the SS so he would get to whatever he could within reason. 

Anyway... Correa came a long way to be the cut on that wonderful throw to the plate. 

Kudos.  

The 1B might be the primary cutoff to home on a ball down the line and in the corner. The full field video shows Santana lining up for cut and then veers off with Correa in place. Julien heads to second right away.

[jorgenswest]

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Edited April 11, 2024 by jorgenswest
Double post

[Riverbrian]

2 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

The 1B might be the primary cutoff to home on a ball down the line and in the corner. The full field video shows Santana lining up for cut and then veers off with Correa in place. Julien heads to second right away.

Where did you get that? 

That is fantastic. 

I'd like my hands on something like that. 

 

[Whitey333]

Yes finally a good win.  Let's see.  We only managed 6 hits, went 1 for 9 with RISP.  We did some good things, like winning.  It was. I believe, the only win on the homestead.  We still only have 2 more wins than the lowly White Sox.  I am glad we won.  But let's not get too carried away here.  Just as people say it's only one game no big deal when they lose, the same can be said of winning.  It was a nice win but only if we build on it.  Go Twins

[jorgenswest]

8 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

Where did you get that? 

That is fantastic. 

I'd like my hands on something like that. 

 

Agree. I saw the clip from MLB Video in Do Young Park’s report on the game.

[2wins87]

12 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

The 1B might be the primary cutoff to home on a ball down the line and in the corner. The full field video shows Santana lining up for cut and then veers off with Correa in place. Julien heads to second right away.

Thanks for that.  It looks like Julien takes a step towards taking the cutoff before heading to 2B.  It's possible Correa calls him off but seems pretty clear that they both know that Correa is going to take any cutoff throw where he can get into position.  If it was a RHH Correa would not have been able to get there, but in the LHH shift this is probably a standard play for the Twins and Correa.

I love all these little details to the game like this.

[Riverbrian]

5 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Agree. I saw the clip from MLB Video in Do Young Park’s report on the game.

Thanks for sharing. 

That's why you are one of the best. 

And of course Kudo's to Do Young Park!

That is above and beyond reporting. 

[jorgenswest]

Just now, 2wins87 said:

Thanks for that.  It looks like Julien takes a step towards taking the cutoff before heading to 2B.  It's possible Correa calls him off but seems pretty clear that they both know that Correa is going to take any cutoff throw where he can get into position.  If it was a RHH Correa would not have been able to get there, but in the LHH shift this is probably a standard play for the Twins and Correa.

I love all these little details to the game like this.

There was no one in position to cut the throw to third. That is probably where Correa (or Julien) should have been but Correa reacts immediately sprinting to the line. Amazing play.

[2wins87]

3 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Agree. I saw the clip from MLB Video in Do Young Park’s report on the game.

I know last year mlb introduced their 3D gameday view which used player and ball tracking to make a similar representation where you could watch from a lot of unique angles.  This looks pretty similar, but they seemed to have changed to a different overhead field view at least on mobile gameday this year.  Maybe it is still available in the browser version?  I haven't tried that yet.

The 3D gameday didn't look great but I actually watched it instead of the broadcast at times last year since it was fun to be able to change the angle and watch plays develop from some unique angles.  I hope they keep developing the product and making it publicly available.

[joefish]

11 hours ago, SwainZag said:

He threw too many balls today, but to me it was a pretty positive outing for him.  Carrying that velocity that deep is huge and his stuff has that pop.  I am hopeful he can be a key contributor this year.

Against LA you just can't keep throwing strikes. They are hitters. They will swing aggressively

 They hit. 

[wabene]

From the credit where it is due dept, Morneau has grown on me lately. Cory P has much to do with that. Cory is very good, for example he nailed the play at the plate call yesterday. It is much more conversational in the booth with this duo and maybe Morneau has settled down a little because of it. He seems to let Cory paint the picture and even allows some silence. This is a very welcome development.

[Melissa]

I was at the game and it was fun and tense. The throw to nail Ohtani at the plate electrified the crowd! Correa’s tag on the caught stealing was also unbelievable.

tiny nitpick - from where I was sitting (section 121) that game-ending pop up from Betts was anything but “lazy.” It was hit really hard and really high. Took forever to come down and get caught. Felt like we got lucky there - a little bit more bat on the ball and who knows?