Game Thread: Twins (Keuchel) v Rays (Bradley), 9/13/23 @ 12:10 CT

[SwainZag]

Just now, USAFChief said:

Not entirely Keuchel's fault, but that's one of the problems when you give up so many base runners. 

Kepler should have caught it.  Farmer should have went to 1st with that deflected ball.  But yes, those things combined with a couple solid base hits and it leads to trouble.

[MMMordabito]

Plays not made

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

I was watching the shadow live and thought about it before the miss, like uhoh.  Still doesn't matter, sun in the eyes is an error.

Actually sun in the eyes has never been an error. Even when scorekeepers had some sense of pride, if an outfielder didn't get a glove on a fly ball it was almost never ruled an error.

Similar for losing balls in the metrodome roof.

[insagt1]

so far so bad. Keuchel giving up some real hard hit balls. Down 3-0 already doesn't bode well...as O;s and Guardians are watching intently and not liking what they see. And we agree.

[Aggies7]

Keuchel against good hitting teams. No bueno 

[Road trip]

1 minute ago, SwainZag said:

Yandy Diaz had quite the career breakout at age 31 and what a career year at age 32.  

I don't know how or why, but the Rays seem to do this regularly.  Find players that struggled elsewhere and turn them into gems.  Luke Raley is another.  In a small sample size, Zack Little is looking like another.

[Jocko87]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

Actually sun in the eyes has never been an error. Even when scorekeepers had some sense of pride, if an outfielder didn't get a glove on a fly ball it was almost never ruled an error.

But its getting the glove on the ball that's been the differentiator, not the sun. 

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, Jocko87 said:

But its getting the glove on the ball that's been the differentiator, not the sun. 

Kepler didn't get a glove on that.

And your original point was "sun in the eyes is an error." 

Which hasn't been true at least in my (considerable) lifetime. 

[Robert Floren]

Lets see if Keuchel can hold them to 3 for 3 more innings.  Not optimistic the way he's pitching.  

[insagt1]

unfortunately Twins hitters do what they often do best...k! And quickly. Gotta chip away fast before Keuchel gives up 3 more and the game is pretty much over.

[wsnydes]

Twins with quite the offensive response.

[Parfigliano]

Dick really wishing a healthy Buxton magically appears in CF.  

[Aggies7]

Good lord did we even bat that half inning??? I sneezed and we’re back out in the field 

[SwainZag]

2 minutes ago, Road trip said:

I don't know how or why, but the Rays seem to do this regularly.  Find players that struggled elsewhere and turn them into gems.  Luke Raley is another.  In a small sample size, Zack Little is looking like another.

I looked at his page expecting him to be 24 or 25, didn't put it together it was the same Diaz that played with Cleveland years ago.  Harold Ramirez another one having a career year at 29.  I think it also just goes to show that not everyone breaks out at an early age as well.  Tampa is willing to give guys AB's who have talent, but haven't put it together yet.

[SwainZag]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Kepler didn't get a glove on that.

And your original point was "sun in the eyes is an error." 

Which hasn't been true at least in my (considerable) lifetime. 

It certainly looked like it went off his glove. Even MLB has the log as being deflected by Max.

[Cap'n Piranha]

2 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Good lord did we even bat that half inning??? I sneezed and we’re back out in the field 

Gesundheit.

[USAFChief]

Just now, SwainZag said:

It certainly looked like it went off his glove. Even MLB has the log as being deflected by Max.

I missed that then. 

[Parfigliano]

1 minute ago, SwainZag said:

It certainly looked like it went off his glove. Even MLB has the log as being deflected by Max.

I thought he didnt touch it.

[USAFChief]

The bats have been snoozing since Sunday. HR or nothing, and mostly nothing 

[IaBeanCounter]

Who do we have the BP for long relief?

[Jocko87]

5 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Kepler didn't get a glove on that.

And your original point was "sun in the eyes is an error." 

Which hasn't been true at least in my (considerable) lifetime. 

I couldn't get the freeze but it clearly deflected. 

My point is that an error is an error, regardless of the sun in the eyes.  There is no discount for conditions.

 

[Parfigliano]

Looks like a bad Keuchel day today.  64% strikes.  80% of those center cut.

[mrtwinsfan]

9 years and 31 days days of service time.  for Dallas K.   needs 10 years for full mlb retirement pay,   found this intresting!!

[Robert Floren]

Is Keuchel Amish?  Ride to the ballpark in a horse-drawn buggy?

[wsnydes]

Dallas ain't so sharp thus far.

[Jocko87]

Oddly slow turn there.

[wsnydes]

1 minute ago, wsnydes said:

Dallas ain't so sharp thus far.

Defense ain't so sharp thus far either.

[RickOShea]

Double play attempt in slow motion?

[Road trip]

2 minutes ago, mrtwinsfan said:

9 years and 31 days days of service time.  for Dallas K.   needs 10 years for full mlb retirement pay,   found this intresting!!

Surprised I guess that he doesn't have more time, as it seems like he has been around forever.

In terms of full mlb retirement pay, I doubt he is worried.  BRef reports his career earnings as 99 million.  He isn't checking out the dollar menu...

[Cap'n Piranha]

3 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

I couldn't get the freeze but it clearly deflected. 

My point is that an error is an error, regardless of the sun in the eyes.  There is no discount for conditions.

 

So if a shortstop doesn't throw out a runner when a ball hits a pebble and deflects out of his reach, is that an error?  Since there's no discount for conditions...