Update: Dobnak to 60-day IL, Twins claim RHP Jhon Romero

[Otto von Ballpark]

29 minutes ago, MMMordabito said:

So ....

Gray

Bundy

Ober 

Ryan

Chi Chi?

Sounds like Cueto will be joining the group shortly.

[bean5302]

17 hours ago, a-wan said:

That is extremely short sighted. It is the reason the 60 day DL exists. 

Your comment is so ironic...

1) Dobnak's recent year performances are not worthy of an MLB roster spot. If he wasn't under a multi-year MLB contract, he'd absolutely be on a MiLB contract or floating around hoping to land an invite to Spring Training somewhere. He had a 7.64 ERA last year.

2) I cannot see Dobnak as a starter ever again in his career. The chances Dobnak is worth a roster spot other than a position in the bullpen in the future is limited and the chances he produces well enough to ever justify a long term or large dollar contract is slim in my opinion. This means, he's cheap to sign, if necessary.

3) Dobnak is likely to need surgery. Let's be serious about this. It's a chronic issue which has seriously impacted him for multiple years. If Dobnak undergoes surgery, his season is done. Kaput. This means he only has 3 years and $6.75MM left on the bad contract.

4) Dobnak's market this offseason, as a free agent, would be tiny. He's going to get an MiLB contract if he was a free agent. The Twins can sign him to that with just an invite to Spring Training. It's practically free.

5) Even if Dobnak regained some value out of the bullpen, which I think is highly unlikely given his recent issues and his results, he'd still need to take a short term, low AAV contract after next year.

The Twins gain a roster spot, a minimum of 2 additional years of roster flexibility, drop a player who is unlikely to be of any value and a player who won't cost hardly anything to bring back if he does turn a corner.

You know what's extremely short-sighted? Keeping Dobnak on the roster when he can't pitch effectively even if he could pitch at all and when for the next 2 years the Twins can potentially lose another Akil Baddoo and Tyler Wells while carrying Dobnak on the roster so they can save $2MM a year.

[Otto von Ballpark]

18 hours ago, bean5302 said:

I'd DFA and release him. The roster spot is more valuable than the loss of MiLB or minimum MLB salary if he manages to earn his way back onto a roster in the future.

Right now, there is zero benefit to releasing him, as opposed to simply putting him on the 60-day IL when you need the 40-man roster spot for someone else. He’s not taking a roster spot from anyone at the moment.

Come November, when the 60-day IL goes away for the off-season, there may be a benefit to waiving him and outrighting him off the roster if he clears.

[MMMordabito]

2 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

Let's hope it is one of our young arms like Winder, Canterino, Balazovic 

Chi Chi sure made me hope even more today.

[KirbyDome89]

3 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

As for the signing, I never got it, but....it is a drop in the bucket. If he'd stay healthy, it would be hailed as a genius move, imo.

He wasn't particularly good when healthy last year and he was demoted during the shortened season prior to that. I'd stop short of genius. Obviously I never got the signing either. Agreed that the money isn't relevant though, there are much worse ways to spend $2M. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

UPDATE: Dobnak has officially been placed on the 60-day IL, as the Twins have also claimed Jhon Romero off waivers from Washington.

[Squirrel]

 

Well ... and there it is ... poor Dobbers ... and from what someone said in another thread, likely out all season with a similar finger issue that Rogers had.

[sampleSizeOfOne]

What's Jhon like?

 

Tough break for Mr. Dobnak!

[ashbury]

8 minutes ago, sampleSizeOfOne said:

What's Jhon like?

Pizza, probably, same as most everyone else.

As a player, he was mainly at AA last year as a 26 year old. Personally I don't expect his stay on the Twins 40-man to be a long one.

[Squirrel]

3 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Pizza, probably, like most everyone else.

As a player, he was mainly at AA last year as a 26 year old. Personally I don't expect his stay on the Twins 40-man to be a long one.

Yeah ... all these stories lately are interconnected, because one move affects the other ... when/if Cueto becomes a done deal, maybe Romero gets removed ... you'd think, though, that if Cueto was that near a deal they'd have just used the 40-man for him, so it all makes me wonder if they aren't still trying to work out a trade?

[ashbury]

4 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

you'd think that if Cueto was that near a deal they'd have just used the 40-man for him

I said in a different thread, I think our FO is just trying to provide a Master Class in roster management.  A spot is anticipated to open up at your leisure (here, Dobber's 60-day stint), so simply claim the best guy on the waiver wire, wait the 3 days for the claim to succeed, then stash him for the moment as you finally make the corresponding roster deletion.  When another and better player needs to be added, put the new guy on waivers - if there's a claim, nothing really is lost, otherwise you have a decent arm for AAA.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

IMO roster rules need revamping.  This kind of brownian motion does nothing for the game.

[Squirrel]

1 minute ago, ashbury said:

IMO roster rules need revamping

Yeah, agree ... but didn't they tweak them a little?

[ashbury]

Just now, Squirrel said:

Yeah, agree ... but didn't they tweak them a little?

Don't remember.  You have any details?

[Squirrel]

Just now, ashbury said:

Don't remember.  You have any details?

I thought there was a limit to how many times a player could be placed on waivers? Or some such? Or maybe I'm dreaming

[bean5302]

3 hours ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

Right now, there is zero benefit to releasing him, as opposed to simply putting him on the 60-day IL when you need the 40-man roster spot for someone else. He’s not taking a roster spot from anyone at the moment.

Come November, when the 60-day IL goes away for the off-season, there may be a benefit to waiving him and outrighting him off the roster if he clears.

Now that's he's officially headed to the 60 day IL, you're right. 

[Shaitan]

23 hours ago, bean5302 said:

I'd DFA and release him. The roster spot is more valuable than the loss of MiLB or minimum MLB salary if he manages to earn his way back onto a roster in the future.

Cutting a player for an injury...right after a contentious labor dispute. That would certainly send a message.

[MMMordabito]

2 hours ago, Squirrel said:

I thought there was a limit to how many times a player could be placed on waivers? Or some such? Or maybe I'm dreaming

There is a rule that a player can only be called up/sent down a maximum of five times during the season. 

I also remember this waiver game being played with Kennys Vargas a few springs ago. They need to invent a mental disorder, something like environmental adaptive disorder and then the league could contribute to a fund to research that disorder as penance for jacking all these guys around.

[Squirrel]

7 minutes ago, MMMordabito said:

There is a rule that a player can only be called up/sent down a maximum of five times during the season. 

I also remember this waiver game being played with Kennys Vargas a few springs ago. They need to invent a mental disorder, something like environmental adaptive disorder and then the league could contribute to a fund to research that disorder as penance for jacking all these guys around.

I thought they also addressed how many times a player could be waived? I don't recall and would have to look it up. I know there is a max number of times a player can go back and forth between AAA and ML team, but I also thought there was something about waiving/claiming players, too

[Otto von Ballpark]

1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

I thought they also addressed how many times a player could be waived? I don't recall and would have to look it up. I know there is a max number of times a player can go back and forth between AAA and ML team, but I also thought there was something about waiving/claiming players, too

Here is the new waiver rule:

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-10-important-under-the-radar-changes-in-cba-including-new-schedule-format-and-loss-of-game-163/

Now a team that claims a player on waivers goes to the back of the line whenever the player is placed on waivers later that year.

For example, if we waive Romero, and he gets claimed, and then his next team waives him again, we’d have lowest waiver priority, regardless of record.

[Squirrel]

35 minutes ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

Here is the new waiver rule:

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-10-important-under-the-radar-changes-in-cba-including-new-schedule-format-and-loss-of-game-163/

Now a team that claims a player on waivers goes to the back of the line whenever the player is placed on waivers later that year.

For example, if we waive Romero, and he gets claimed, and then his next team waives him again, we’d have lowest waiver priority, regardless of record.

Okay ... I knew there was something ... thanks

[a-wan]

8 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Your comment is so ironic...

1) Dobnak's recent year performances are not worthy of an MLB roster spot. If he wasn't under a multi-year MLB contract, he'd absolutely be on a MiLB contract or floating around hoping to land an invite to Spring Training somewhere. He had a 7.64 ERA last year.

2) I cannot see Dobnak as a starter ever again in his career. The chances Dobnak is worth a roster spot other than a position in the bullpen in the future is limited and the chances he produces well enough to ever justify a long term or large dollar contract is slim in my opinion. This means, he's cheap to sign, if necessary.

3) Dobnak is likely to need surgery. Let's be serious about this. It's a chronic issue which has seriously impacted him for multiple years. If Dobnak undergoes surgery, his season is done. Kaput. This means he only has 3 years and $6.75MM left on the bad contract.

4) Dobnak's market this offseason, as a free agent, would be tiny. He's going to get an MiLB contract if he was a free agent. The Twins can sign him to that with just an invite to Spring Training. It's practically free.

5) Even if Dobnak regained some value out of the bullpen, which I think is highly unlikely given his recent issues and his results, he'd still need to take a short term, low AAV contract after next year.

The Twins gain a roster spot, a minimum of 2 additional years of roster flexibility, drop a player who is unlikely to be of any value and a player who won't cost hardly anything to bring back if he does turn a corner.

You know what's extremely short-sighted? Keeping Dobnak on the roster when he can't pitch effectively even if he could pitch at all and when for the next 2 years the Twins can potentially lose another Akil Baddoo and Tyler Wells while carrying Dobnak on the roster so they can save $2MM a year.

Yeah, don't really care to argue. You said something hot takey and now you're whiny since you got called out for it. 

I don't remember the rule, but for players who clear waivers, get re-added to the same team's roster then get waived again the player can then opt for free agency. 

[AlwaysinModeration]

Whoa.  Randy Dobnak and Jhon Romero were both born on January 17, 1995. Was there a rule in the new CBA about that?

I looked over Romero’s career minor league numbers.  He looks pretty good, and was excellent last year in AA and AAA.  I don’t see why the Twins wouldn’t want to keep him on the roster, now that they’ve got him.  Definitely a chance to contribute to the bullpen.

[DJL44]

21 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Everyone saying "just have the surgery".....humans like to avoid cutting into their bodies if it can be avoided. They tried not doing that, and may continue to try that. I'm ok with that.

It doesn't always work either. Phil Hughes had surgery, he never improved.

[Otto von Ballpark]

6 hours ago, AlwaysinModeration said:

Whoa.  Randy Dobnak and Jhon Romero were both born on January 17, 1995. Was there a rule in the new CBA about that?

Interesting. I've never seen both of them in the same place at the same time either. Maybe Dobnak was just looking for a fresh start under a pseudonym?

Or more likely, Jhon Romero was pretending to be "Randy Dobnak" this whole time. That would explain the glasses and mustache disguise.

[bean5302]

18 hours ago, a-wan said:

Yeah, don't really care to argue. You said something hot takey and now you're whiny since you got called out for it. 

I don't remember the rule, but for players who clear waivers, get re-added to the same team's roster then get waived again the player can then opt for free agency. 

I don't see why cutting a guy who is cheap, unreliable and not valuable is hot-takey. I wouldn't have had a problem if the Twins optioned him to AAA before the season started because I don't have faith in his ability to produce. Healthy, he would have been a decent emergency starter. Dobnak seems like a great guy, but I don't have faith in his ability to pitch and having him on a 10 day IL or day-to-day all season was a negative as far as I'm concerned and moving him to the 60 day IL is not allowed just willy-nilly.

Since the Twins moved him, officially, to the 60 day IL the roster spot is open and there's no reason to DFA and release him, which would inherently expose him to free agency. 

Side note, if you can't disagree with somebody without it being an argument, that's your problem.

[ashbury]

7 hours ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

Interesting. I've never seen both of them in the same place at the same time either. Maybe Dobnak was just looking for a fresh start under a pseudonym?

Woah.  Hard to imagine two more similar human beings.   Identical twins separated at birth, they had to be.

[AlwaysinModeration]

On 3/22/2022 at 5:23 PM, ashbury said:

Woah.  Hard to imagine two more similar human beings.   Identical twins separated at birth, they had to be.

Also filed under “hard to imagine” - the guy on the right gets paid millions to throw a baseball - and started a playoff game at Yankee Stadium.

[big dog]

On 3/22/2022 at 4:23 PM, ashbury said:

Woah.  Hard to imagine two more similar human beings.   Identical twins separated at birth, they had to be.

They would look much more alike if Romero wrapped a squirrel around his chin.

[Twins33]

This was an interesting read about the injury. Same finger, different tear than last season. 
 

https://www.startribune.com/complicated-finger-injuries-keep-twins-starter-randy-dobnak-sidelined/600158055/