Twins Twerp Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Doesnt bother me unless this is the last pitcher added...then yikes. Hopefully 200 innings as a 4
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 How is this better than what they have?
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I'm still not sure how much good that Baker deal does the Twins though, because I think he might take a minute to get back to productivity. This context shows what? You gave just as much billing to plugging that Baker was payed "excessively" (is this somehow different than overpaying?) as you did the option year. How that paragraph proves you didn't argue Baker was overpaid is baffling. I'll repeat it: The Twins just guaranteed Kevin Correia as much money as the Cubs did for Feldman and Baker combined. After much laughing at the Cubs early on. I know who should be laughing now.
JP3700 Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I don't love the signing, but I don't hate it either. Low risk, low reward. With Diamond and Correia in the rotation our infield defense better be sharp. Hopefully this means TR is loading up $12-15 million per for a Sanchez, Marcum or Jackson. I'm not holding my breath though.
kab21 Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 How is this better than what they have? I'm not sure if you watched last year but with a couple of injuries or pitchers that bomb the Twins are plugging pitchers in that are far worse. That's the problem with the Deduno/Devries argument. Those guys should be left as a last resort before things get really ugly. I'm not a big fan of this move though but whatever. I doubt they have a 100M payroll this year and I doubt this prevents them from signing anybody. Doesnt bother me unless this is the last pitcher added...then yikes. This is my concern also. There aren't that many #3 or better pitchers out there and a lot of teams looking for a starter.
Twins Twerp Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Can we admit its less gross than if our first signing would have been liriano or pavano?
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I don't love the signing, but I don't hate it either. Low risk, low reward. With Diamond and Correia in the rotation our infield defense better be sharp. Hopefully this means TR is loading up $12-15 million per for a Sanchez, Marcum or Jackson. I'm not holding my breath though. Time for a cleansing breath. A few of the Twins apologists are all pink and puffy-cheeked and are undoubtedly still holding out their predictably unnatural hope, but I think Worley and Correia are it. Maybe there's a Joel Zumaya clone available? On the bright side, both will be good candidates for eminent flippability back to the NL come July, so that Hermsen, Wimmers and the 2012 Cast from the "Fame" remake can close out the season in the starting rotation with Diamond (Gibson will likely be shut down or severely limited by the end of August).
Legend of the Arctic Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 This move is so bad it defies words. According to Fangraphs, Correia had a WAR of 0.8 over the last three seasons. Only one pitcher (minimum 300 IP) was worse, and that was Nick Blackburn. Third worst was former Twin Jason Marquis. Yes, the Twins have now had the three worst pitchers of modern MLB on their roster in the past calendar year. And the best part is that they'll be paying Correia for two years, which means they probably won't even designate him for assignment when he inevitably gets lit up in his first 12 starts.
greengoblinrulz Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 http://twinsdaily.com/twins-talk/3735-twins-will-seek-affordable-pitchers.htmlJust saying I predicted this signin on Oct 14th......not that I have any info but I know how cheap Terry Ryan isVery disappointing.......if Gardy is fired this season for another 95 loss season, TR should be right behind
edavis0308 Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 For the life of me, I want to know why it is reported that there is a cold market for Edwin Jackson. It's sad that I'd be ecstatic if they could actually sign him.
joeboo_22 Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Can we admit its less gross than if our first signing would have been liriano or pavano? IDK, I see more upside potential with both of them and I'm guessing they would both cost less. Would rather the Twins sign one of them and then bring in a 10-15 million a year guy
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 http://twinsdaily.com/twins-talk/3735-twins-will-seek-affordable-pitchers.htmlJust saying I predicted this signin on Oct 14th......not that I have any info but I know how cheap Terry Ryan isVery disappointing.......if Gardy is fired this season for another 95 loss season, TR should be right behind I remember. I know you and I were prime targets for the slings and arrows from the apologists. It looks like my prediction of $85M might have been a bit of an overshoot. One could say that one apparent intent from these maneuvers at payroll paring is that TR is setting Gardy up for his early dismissal papers.
howeda7 Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 So the first multi year deal deal Ryan gives to a starter not already under contract since Bob Tewksbury in 1998 goes to.....Kevin Correa? What the hell is going on here? Rick Anderson must be thrilled that Ryan is trying to sabbotage his job. If it works out as well as Tewksbury we should all be thrilled. I think I'd rather have Tewskbury. The 2012 version.
Brandon Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Why not just save the money or sign a different crappy pitcher to a 1 year deal so atleast its a 1 year deal. Poll would you rather have DeVries or Correia in the rotation?
Lesser Dali Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 This is how I look at it: Terry Ryan is a ranger at a dog park. One of his job requirements is to pick up dog feces. The thing is, instead of throwing the feces into the garbage, Terry Ryan takes them home and makes models out of them. Kevin Correia is one of these models and he is entering him into a State Fair competition. The problem is this - the competition is a cake baking event. I cannot see how this can end well. Yuck.
CDog Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 http://twinsdaily.com/twins-talk/3735-twins-will-seek-affordable-pitchers.htmlJust saying I predicted this signin on Oct 14th......not that I have any info but I know how cheap Terry Ryan isVery disappointing.......if Gardy is fired this season for another 95 loss season, TR should be right behind As long as you're reaching for your own popsicle for gratification there, you should probably link to your "100%" guarantee that they would sign nobody for more than one year. Right?
notoriousgod71 Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Does Ryan seriously not understand pitching or what the hell? Why even bother making a move if it's for a guy like Correia. Christ, he makes Blanton and Saunders look like steals.
joeboo_22 Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I don't have a big problem with dumpster diving, but pay dumpster like prices, not solid #3 starter price and give a 2 year contract.
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 http://twinsdaily.com/twins-talk/3735-twins-will-seek-affordable-pitchers.htmlJust saying I predicted this signin on Oct 14th......not that I have any info but I know how cheap Terry Ryan isVery disappointing.......if Gardy is fired this season for another 95 loss season, TR should be right behind As long as you're reaching for your own popsicle for gratification there, you should probably link to your "100%" guarantee that they would sign nobody for more than one year. Right? I think you would be thrown out of court by any random judge for using an invalid defense of the indefensible.
greengoblinrulz Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 http://twinsdaily.com/twins-talk/3735-twins-will-seek-affordable-pitchers.htmlJust saying I predicted this signin on Oct 14th......not that I have any info but I know how cheap Terry Ryan isVery disappointing.......if Gardy is fired this season for another 95 loss season, TR should be right behind As long as you're reaching for your own popsicle for gratification there, you should probably link to your "100%" guarantee that they would sign nobody for more than one year. Right?absolutely am stunned by that!!!! This means that Diamond/Worley/Correia/Gibson are 80% of 2014s starting rotation. is Terry thinking he can flip these guys this summer/next offseason.....wow!!!Funny thing is I had a list of 50 FA pitchers & picked 3 from the bottom 5/10 but I truly believed they would do it.Ryan is old school & isnt a 21st century stats guy....so he's excited by a guy with double digit wins for 4 straight yrs.
Einstein Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Get those playoff tickets early people! We've got our ace! Oh wait, Kevin Correia? Sorry, I thought TR said he was after a "pretty darn good pitcher". Carry on folks. Nothing to see here.
CDog Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I don't have a big problem with dumpster diving, but pay dumpster like prices, not solid #3 starter price and give a 2 year contract. What "solid 3" is getting only $5M in free agency at this point?
CDog Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 http://twinsdaily.com/twins-talk/3735-twins-will-seek-affordable-pitchers.htmlJust saying I predicted this signin on Oct 14th......not that I have any info but I know how cheap Terry Ryan isVery disappointing.......if Gardy is fired this season for another 95 loss season, TR should be right behind As long as you're reaching for your own popsicle for gratification there, you should probably link to your "100%" guarantee that they would sign nobody for more than one year. Right? I think you would be thrown out of court by any random judge for using an invalid defense of the indefensible. Who defended anything?
johnnydakota Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 like i predicted, next up kevin slowey and the return of the man called stach ...why does ryan not get it? why can he not understand the difference between an asset and a reject?we havew better options in hermsen,deuno devries walters and blackTURD guess ryan needed to remove payroll to qualify for his bonus for slashing payroll again
twinsnorth49 Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Embarrassing, if there was one guy I could hate as much as Blackie it's Kevin f***ing Correia!! Damn TR, you're killing me! http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/1018.gif http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/076.gif
greengoblinrulz Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Not out of the realm of possiblity that ROC could have a more successful starting staff than MN this yrDiamond....not sold on himWorley......coming off bone chips, some think its a precursor to TJ surgeryCorreia....nuff saidHendriks....personally think he will break out huge this yrDuensing......will move to pen with another pitcher acquired AAAGibson....best starter with MLB stuffBlackburn...many will defend him still due to 08/09DeVries.....2nd best starter in 11'Deduno....3rd best starter in 11'Walters.....
Riverbrian Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I wish I had a Torch, Pitchfork and Noose store. I could make some cash with this crowd... TR and Kevin may need a strong Sheriff to hold you guys back or someone like Scout in "To Kill a Mockingbird". He wouldn't have been my first choice and I still have sticker shock but I've seen him pitch a few times and he's got a tough side to him. I remember thinking that he reminded me of Pavano... 2009/2010 Pavano that is. I remember Correia blanking the Twins this summer for 4 or 5 innings... Terry may remember that blanking as well... I think he out dueled Diamond that game but I could be wrong. Put the pitchforks down. It's gonna be alright. However... I do admit... That Baker signing with Chicago... Looks amazing right now.
glunn Community Moderator Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I am going to hope that Ryan knows what he is doing on this one. If not, then he should be held accountable if Correia flops.
Guest USAFChief Guests Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 This should be every bit as successful as last winter's pitching additions. Nicely done TR. Now let's strike while the iron is hot and get Livan signed before the other GMs find out he's still available!
snepp Verified Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 That's the best use of $5 million they could come up with? Why not just light it on fire instead?
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