Logan Morrison out for the season

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

And by the way, I think this could explain why he didn't slide on that close play at second base the other night.

Very possibly. Good observation.

[Kelly Vance]

 

I agree

 

Here is what I don't want to hear from Molitor or Logan or anyone. 

 

I don't want to hear anyone say that the pain affected or effected Logan Morrison this year. 

 

It's already inexcusable how much playing time he got based on the production.

 

The very second Molitor or Morrison or Falvey or Lavine mentions that the pain may have had something to do with that production. The inexcusableness immediately becomes synergistic in scope because now you have everyday playing time handed to a guy, who not only isn't producing but also playing through pain, which is now used as an excuse for not producing and this takes inexcusable to a whole new level. 

 

If anybody utters it... please post it.    

River, the pain affected Logan's performance this year. I guarantee it.

 

As a guy with a bunch of old baseball injuries, including a stubborn hip flexor, the pain makes it hard to sleep sometimes, much less play. Your range of motion is limited because your body stiffens up to try to protect against further injury. This is why Logan has had some pathetic swings at pitches in certain locations. I am glad Logan is getting it taken care of and I am grateful he tried to help the team as best he could. 

 

It is important to remember that these guys are human beings with lives, careers and often families, and in Logan's case a really good human being.

 

I hate it when posters talk of them as if they were nothing but robots that exist for our amusement. I see this as a guy that was a great teammate and who tried to help, despite the injury. He played through pain.  That should win him applause, not derision. 

[ashbury]

I hate it when posters talk of them as if they were nothing but robots that exist for our amusement.

Brian will speak for himself I'm sure, but I'm also sure that Brian means almost the exact opposite of this statement.

[Han Joelo]

I'm sure Logan is a good human being.  I personally don't have much fan energy invested in him, and now he has gone the way of Joe Crede.  Best of luck, happy trails and all that.  Someday, perhaps, someone will remind me of something notable from the Logan Morrison era.  And I'll probably respond, "A hit?  Don't you mean Logan Forsythe?"

[puckstopper1]

LoMo may have been thinking - "I should get this surgery done while I'm still on a roster otherwise I'll be paying for this myself..."

 

OK - probably not.

 

The timing does seem interesting, but given the recovery time it makes sense.

[Han Joelo]

 

LoMo may have been thinking - "I should get this surgery done while I'm still on a roster otherwise I'll be paying for this myself..."

 

OK - probably not.

 

The timing does seem interesting, but given the recovery time it makes sense.

It was definitely mutually beneficial, and adds to the narrative that everything that could go wrong did go wrong.  Almost like a total system failure, but somebody already used that one.

[puckstopper1]

 

It was definitely mutually beneficial, and adds to the narrative that everything that could go wrong did go wrong.  Almost like a total system failure, but somebody already used that one.

 

Spot on Han! 

 

This season was cursed before it started (Santana, Polanco) and got worse as time went on.

 

Hopefully the Twins go rid of all that bad JuJu this season and have a more charmed existence in 2019.

[Riverbrian]

 

River, the pain affected Logan's performance this year. I guarantee it.

 

As a guy with a bunch of old baseball injuries, including a stubborn hip flexor, the pain makes it hard to sleep sometimes, much less play. Your range of motion is limited because your body stiffens up to try to protect against further injury. This is why Logan has had some pathetic swings at pitches in certain locations. I am glad Logan is getting it taken care of and I am grateful he tried to help the team as best he could. 

 

It is important to remember that these guys are human beings with lives, careers and often families, and in Logan's case a really good human being.

 

I hate it when posters talk of them as if they were nothing but robots that exist for our amusement. I see this as a guy that was a great teammate and who tried to help, despite the injury. He played through pain.  That should win him applause, not derision. 

 

Kelly, I'm with you on this. I also hate it when players are called garbage like they are not human beings. It's a hard game under siege. The best players in the world are trying to get you out and prevent you from having a career.  

 

I believe that over my career of posts on TD, many times I have posted verification of this sentiment of mine. I am looking forward to Kohl Stewart today and hopeful that he starts what is a long career because I know what it means to him and his family. 

 

I don't blame the front office for signing Morrison. I don't blame him for getting hurt. I don't blame him for trying to play through pain.... But I do blame whoever put him in the lineup every day (I assume Molitor). 

 

I recognize the road ahead for him and the probability that his next contract is a minor league deal and I will not do jumping jacks over the end of anyone's career when I know the odds of just making a major league roster. I am however... applauding the temptation of having him in the lineup being removed as a possibility and I am applauding the door that is now open for Tyler Austin. 

 

I am also suggesting that while it is admirable to try and play through the pain and completely understandable that he just wants to produce and also understandable that he has his future career to consider and that is important. By playing through the pain, he hurt the club and by the manager allowing him to play through the pain while hurting the club, he also made it harder for a replacement player to carve out a career for himself.

 

His presence in the lineup hurts the club and hurts others who should have replaced him. 

 

I am also quietly suggesting the possibility (without evidence) that it was Logan's agent acting on behalf of Logan, in the best interest of his client that may have led to the perfect timing of his surgery. And I am loudly suggesting (with a lot of evidence) that somebody should have been acting in the best interest of the Twins much much earlier if the pain was impacting his performance.

 

My sights are on the guy who makes out the lineup card. So if I hear Molitor say that it impacted his performance this year... That's rope provided for a hanging.    

 

 

[Doomtints]

I tore up my hip once and it took 9 months to heal on its own. Every time I would twist my body to do something like sit in a car, I could hear and feel it tearing up again. It seems like a no-brainer to me that an athlete would either need surgery or would need to be shut down if there were any chance at all to heal in a timely manner.

 

Whoever told him he could play through this doesn't deserve a medical degree.

[Kelly Vance]

Doom, you ain't wrong. Sorry about your hip. 9 months? Actually not bad.I hope Logan makes it back somewhere.

 

Also for people wondering about Buck and the wrist. A wrist injury is typically slow to heal. It took two years for my wrist to heal from a bad sprain. He also has a broken toe and much of his game is based on speed.

I hope they let him rest 

[USAFChief]

Personally, I admire a player who wants to play, despite not being 100 percent physically. Particularly when that player never makes any excuses later based on not being 100 percent physically.

 

If you want to blame Molitor, I guess that's fair, although with 12 and 13 man pitching staffs, options are somewhat limited, particularly when your regular first baseman apparently needs 2 days off per week. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I tore up my hip once and it took 9 months to heal on its own. Every time I would twist my body to do something like sit in a car, I could hear and feel it tearing up again. It seems like a no-brainer to me that an athlete would either need surgery or would need to be shut down if there were any chance at all to heal in a timely manner.

 

Whoever told him he could play through this doesn't deserve a medical degree.

we don’t know, it’s all speculation as to how a player who’s been clearly bad as to imply hurt all season miraculously needs surgery right as his particular roster spot is required.

 

This surgery has been a while in the making. It had to be. There’s no other reasonable explanation for LoMo to have fallen off the cliff so badly AND his replacement be called up before his DL stint be announced and have his announcement include the surgery in it making it an immediate 60 day.

[Mike Sixel]

Ugh. Good luck to him! Nothing bums me out more about sports than these guys getting hurt for our entertainment. bummer.

[Riverbrian]

 

Personally, I admire a player who wants to play, despite not being 100 percent physically. Particularly when that player never makes any excuses later based on not being 100 percent physically.

 

If you want to blame Molitor, I guess that's fair, although with 12 and 13 man pitching staffs, options are somewhat limited, particularly when your regular first baseman apparently needs 2 days off per week. 

 

The Twins gave Grossman a roster spot out of spring training on purpose. They selected him and opted not to upgrade his spot on the roster. Not having options is not a valid excuse. It is the job of the front office to roster options. 

 

That in and of itself is an endorsement of Grossman from the organization as a capable replacement for an injury impacted DH who is performing poorly.

 

Placing Morrison on the DL would also allow for a player (who plays a better OF defense than Grossman does) to be called up. 

 

[Vanimal46]

I read that the recovery/rehab time is 4-6 months ... wonder if it’s a torn hip labrum, did they say exactly? So he’ll be ready to go for ST ... on another team’s roster.

Yeah that's the same timeline I had for both of my hip surgeries. It's an injury that won't get any worse, but won't get better with recovery. Surgery is needed.

 

I am empathetic for him playing through it because I did the same in ice hockey. It's not easy, and the pain never goes away.

[USAFChief]

 

The Twins gave Grossman a roster spot out of spring training on purpose. They selected him and opted not to upgrade his spot on the roster. Not having options is not a valid excuse. It is the job of the front office to roster options. 

 

That in and of itself is an endorsement of Grossman from the organization as a capable replacement for an injury impacted DH who is performing poorly.

 

Placing Morrison on the DL would also allow for a player (who plays a better OF defense than Grossman does) to be called up. 

Concur on all points. None of that, however, is Morrison's fault. All he did was show up to play every day.

[Riverbrian]

 

Concur on all points. None of that, however, is Morrison's fault. All he did was show up to play every day.

 

Yeah... it's the guy who makes out the lineup card. 

[Vanimal46]

we don’t know, it’s all speculation as to how a player who’s been clearly bad as to imply hurt all season miraculously needs surgery right as his particular roster spot is required.

 

This surgery has been a while in the making. It had to be. There’s no other reasonable explanation for LoMo to have fallen off the cliff so badly AND his replacement be called up before his DL stint be announced and have his announcement include the surgery in it making it an immediate 60 day.

Normally I would be skeptical but since he's speaking my language with hip surgeries I feel what he's going through.

 

If he had a labrum tear, which sounds like it given the timeline for recovery post surgery, I know exactly what he's going through.

 

It's an injury you can technically play through, but it's no picnic to do so. There's no off switch for that type of pain. Doesn't matter what you're doing, it's a lingering pain 24 hours a day. If you make the wrong move with your leg it's like getting stabbed in the hip with a knife.

 

It's a pain that pulsates through your lower back and groin, which makes it difficult initially to pinpoint what part of your body is injured. It took over a year visiting different specialists to diagnose my injury back in 2006. During that time, like Morrison, I stupidly chose to play through it and hindered my ability on the ice rink.

[Vanimal46]

I agree

 

Here is what I don't want to hear from Molitor or Logan or anyone.

 

I don't want to hear anyone say that the pain affected or effected Logan Morrison this year.

 

It's already inexcusable how much playing time he got based on the production.

 

The very second Molitor or Morrison or Falvey or Lavine mentions that the pain may have had something to do with that production. The inexcusableness immediately becomes synergistic in scope because now you have everyday playing time handed to a guy, who not only isn't producing but also playing through pain, which is now used as an excuse for not producing and this takes inexcusable to a whole new level.

 

If anybody utters it... please post it.

But that's exactly what happened... Have you experienced hip pain or a labrum tear? I have twice...

 

The injury is all about pain tolerance. You can technically tear more cartilage if you're wreckless but there's no amount of rest that will fix it. It will continue to linger and affect your every day life. With that injury I literally couldn't sit or sleep comfortably without pain medication.

 

I admire him for trying to play through it just like I did and many others. At the end of the day it saps up your athleticism, and affects your mindset. You're always thinking about what move you can do that will make it hurt the least.

[Riverbrian]

 

But that's exactly what happened... Have you experienced hip pain or a labrum tear? I have twice...

The injury is all about pain tolerance. You can technically tear more cartilage if you're wreckless but there's no amount of rest that will fix it. It will continue to linger and affect your every day life. With that injury I literally couldn't sit or sleep comfortably without pain medication.

I admire him for trying to play through it just like I did and many others. At the end of the day it saps up your athleticism, and affects your mindset. You're always thinking about what move you can do that will make it hurt the least.

 

I have never had hip pain.

 

I'll take your word, along with Kelly and Doomtints and say:

 

Then I'm stumped.

 

Then there is no justification for 318 AB's with a .186 BA and .644 OPS. 

 

It's like the old joke. 

 

Vanimal: Doc it hurts when I do this. 

Doc: Then don't do that. 

 

[yarnivek1972]

If Morrison’s play was impacted to the point that it turned a 3.7 bWAR player to a -.3 then he should have been on the DL and had surgery months ago.

[ashbury]

If Morrison’s play was impacted to the point that it turned a 3.7 bWAR player to a -.3 then he should have been on the DL and had surgery months ago.

I think you're probably mis-estimating the difference between success and failure in baseball.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Logan was quoted as saying that he has been fighting with it since spring training.

 

I can't believe the Twins didn't even DL him until mid-July. Even the 2006 Twins put Rondell White on the DL by mid-June. (And it kinda worked -- a month's rest/rehab and he returned to post a 130 wRC+ in the second half.)

 

The front office really messed up here. Record payroll, playoff aspirations, and the best strategy they have for shaking up the team after a lackluster first 2 months was signing Matt Belisle for mop-up duty, starting Ryan LaMarre, and continuing to play a hobbled Logan Morrison.

[Riverbrian]

 

I can't believe the Twins didn't even DL him until mid-July. Even the 2006 Twins put Rondell White on the DL by mid-June. (And it kinda worked -- a month's rest/rehab and he returned to post a 130 wRC+ in the second half.)

The front office really messed up here. Record payroll, playoff aspirations, and the best strategy they have for shaking up the team after a lackluster first 2 months was signing Matt Belisle for mop-up duty, starting Ryan LaMarre, and continuing to play a hobbled Logan Morrison.

 

My shoulders are so shrugged in confusion that my ears are blocked and I can't hear anything else. 

[Nine of twelve]

 

I tore up my hip once and it took 9 months to heal on its own. Every time I would twist my body to do something like sit in a car, I could hear and feel it tearing up again. It seems like a no-brainer to me that an athlete would either need surgery or would need to be shut down if there were any chance at all to heal in a timely manner.

 

Whoever told him he could play through this doesn't deserve a medical degree.

We really need Heezy to weigh in on this before deciding who does and doesn't deserve a medical degree.

[ashbury]

We really need Heezy to weigh in on this before deciding who does and doesn't deserve a medical degree.

Quick, put up the Heezy Signal:

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I can't believe the Twins didn't even DL him until mid-July. Even the 2006 Twins put Rondell White on the DL by mid-June. (And it kinda worked -- a month's rest/rehab and he returned to post a 130 wRC+ in the second half.)

The front office really messed up here. Record payroll, playoff aspirations, and the best strategy they have for shaking up the team after a lackluster first 2 months was signing Matt Belisle for mop-up duty, starting Ryan LaMarre, and continuing to play a hobbled Logan Morrison.

 

This is where I'm at. I'm guessing they found this early on and he elected to play through it since it cost the season. That's fine... but at one point, the goal should be getting ready for spring, and given that LoMo wasn't getting results... well at that point I think you DL him. It just seems as if this took way too long to do. 

[yarnivek1972]

One wonders what role Morrison’s vesting option had in this process. Did he continue to play to try to reach it?

 

I guess I don’t mind a guy trying to play through pain. But there comes a point where one hurts the team. I’d say the Twins reached that point with Logan in early June.

[Riverbrian]

 

One wonders what role Morrison’s vesting option had in this process. Did he continue to play to try to reach it?

I guess I don’t mind a guy trying to play through pain. But there comes a point where one hurts the team. I’d say the Twins reached that point with Logan in early June.

 

I'll say Late April. 

[yarnivek1972]

I'll say Late April.

He actually had a pretty decent May.