Falvey

[Blackjack]

 

No they aren't, it's not a personal attack or anything, I wish Melville nothing but the best but he should by no means be strating meaningful games for a team with a legit chance at the playoffs.

It's not Melville's fault at all, it's the front offices fault IMO. If the Twins were 7 games up or 5 games down in the playoff hunt? No issue whatsoever, but tied or a half game up with 5 teams within 2-3 games of you? Not the time to be giving feel good stories starts IMO

 

Professional sports is about winning.

So who would have you picked to start instead?

[twinssouth]

Sleger's last start goes 7 innings, gives up 2 runs. Instead, they pick Melville and add him to the 40 man. I don't get it.

[SwainZag]

 

Sleger's last start goes 7 innings, gives up 2 runs. Instead, they pick Melville and add him to the 40 man. I don't get it.

 

Slegers pitched on Thursday.  They aren't going to use him on short rest.

[drjim]

 

Slegers pitched on Thursday.  They aren't going to use him on short rest.

 

Yes, not using Slegers was the easiest part to understand. Maybe could have considered Gibson on short rest.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Yes, not using Slegers was the easiest part to understand. Maybe could have considered Gibson on short rest.

I can imagine that phone call.

 

Falvey: "Hey Paul, we're thinking about moving up Kyle a day to pi--"

 

*click*

 

*Falvey stares at phone*

 

*Falvey redials*

 

Falvey: "Hey Paul, we're going to start literally anyone not named Kyle Gibson in the doubleheader. I'm randomly picking a name from Rochester right now."

 

Molitor: "Cool."

[Otto von Ballpark]

Just stop.

 

If Garcia had started for the Twins on August 4th, it entirely possible the Twins would have lost that game instead of won it.

Why would he have started on August 4th? His turn would have been August 3rd. There was no requirement that we would have had to cut Colon to keep him.

 

Let's just agree that any comparison of this kind is going to introduce "butterfly effect" problems.

 

That said, I would have liked to add to our depth chart. Especially knowing we had at least 1 doubleheader coming up down the stretch.

[prouster]

So who would have you picked to start instead?

Three or four people have asked this exact thing. It's a really great question!

[Mr. Brooks]

I believe they knew about the doubleheader before both Slegers and Gonsalves starts.

I would have held one of them back for the start.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Yeah, Gonsalves was the obvious choice. Even if he scuffles in his debut with a similar performance to Melville, maybe he gets some nerves/adjustments out of the way to better contribute later (remember Duffey's disastrous debut vs Toronto in 2015?).

[Thrylos]

 

Gee was fine since he was already on the roster. Melville? Dumb.

They knew this double header was coming days in advance, they easily could have adjusted the AAA rotation to get literally anyone else up besides the 27 year old guy who was CUT from the independent league earlier this year.

 

Ok.  Not Melville.  Then who?  Give a name

[Rosterman]

 

Ok.  Not Melville.  Then who?  Give a name

Scott Diamond?

 

Actually, if I could've booked the starters, knowing a double-header is coming up, I would've brought up Jorge once again or figured out how to get Romero up here. If I truly wanted to add a 40-man, yes, I would give it to Melville, who I want to take some sort of look at to see if there is a reason to bring him back (as well as Turley) next season...but the bigger decision will be if either is wanting of a real 40-man spot, or just a club invite and resign for insurance in the minors.

 

But I would've figured out how to look at Romero, who is burning an option year and probably won't be on the roster in September as he will be shut down.

[USAFChief]

 

I believe they knew about the doubleheader before both Slegers and Gonsalves starts.
I would have held one of them back for the start.

And that's the answer.  Not that difficult.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

MacPhail worked under Carl Pohlad in the Metrodome.

Falvey works under Jim Pohlad in Target Field.

 

Sure, they'll be fiscally responsible, but we see year after year that the Twins payroll ranking relative to their revenue ranking lines up pretty favorably. The "Cheap Pohlads" thing is just an old excuse at this point.

looks like Falvey reports to DSP. Ultimately JP, but I wonder how much of the decision making changes w/the new structure?

[alarp33]

 

I believe they knew about the doubleheader before both Slegers and Gonsalves starts.
I would have held one of them back for the start.

 

What does this mean? They pitched Slegers in the doubleheader on Thursday? When would you have held him back?

[Mr. Brooks]

What does this mean? They pitched Slegers in the doubleheader on Thursday? When would you have held him back?

Right, my bad. Gonsalves it would have been then.

[alarp33]

 

Right, my bad. Gonsalves it would have been then.

 

Probably the only other option.  Would I have preferred to see Gonsalves? Probably.  But like I posted earlier in thread, the White Sox hit lefties much better than righties.  Good argument to be made they thought Melville gave a better chance to win one game. 

 

Hardly a decision to be too angry about.  

[Mr. Brooks]

Probably the only other option. Would I have preferred to see Gonsalves? Probably. But like I posted earlier in thread, the White Sox hit lefties much better than righties. Good argument to be made they thought Melville gave a better chance to win one game.

 

Hardly a decision to be too angry about.

Probably not. But then again, he is a legit alternative. And there are people in this thread who seem to be implying that there were no viable alternatives.

[old nurse]

Gonsalves has not had an easy time against AAA hitters. Blame it on small sample size

[alarp33]

 

Probably not. But then again, he is a legit alternative. And there are people in this thread who seem to be implying that there were no viable alternatives.

 

He was an option.  Melville has been his equal or even better in AAA, and a RHP made more sense against the White Sox lineup.  Seems like a non story for me, except everyone (understandably) wants to see what Gonsalves is all about

[drivlikejehu]

 

Probably not. But then again, he is a legit alternative. And there are people in this thread who seem to be implying that there were no viable alternatives.

 

That's a pretty questionable assertion, and totally misses the point of the OP - which was that starting Melville was indefensible and a sign of almost inconceivable incompetence.

 

Clearly, the Twins could have arranged things such that someone else made the start. That has not been the issue at all in the discussion.

[Mr. Brooks]

That's a pretty questionable assertion, and totally misses the point of the OP - which was that starting Melville was indefensible and a sign of almost inconceivable incompetence.

 

Clearly, the Twins could have arranged things such that someone else made the start. That has not been the issue at all in the discussion.

I wasn't responding to the OP.

I don't agree it was incompetence, or even the wrong decision.

But multiple people in this thread have implied, if not outright said that there were no other viable options.

That's just not true, and that's what I was responding to.

[drivlikejehu]

 

I wasn't responding to the OP.
I don't agree it was incompetence, or even the wrong decision.
But multiple people in this thread have implied, if not outright said that there were no other viable options.
That's just not true, and that's what I was responding to.

 

Can you point to a post that clearly implies that? All I've seen is posters explaining why starting Melville was logical or perhaps easiest logistically. 

[DaveW]

Ok. Not Melville. Then who? Give a name

Siegers

Gonsalves

Duffey

Gibson

[prouster]

 

Professional sports is about winning.

 

Actually it isn't.

[prouster]

 

Siegers
Gonsalves
Duffey
Gibson

Okay. Gibson started today. If he started the first game yesterday, then who starts today? Duffey has been in the bullpen all year. He's not a starter. Get over it. Gonsalves pitched on Sunday. Should they have brought him up on short rest? Slegers could have indeed started game one. However, I'm not sure there's a huge difference between him and Melville (unless for some reason there's a definite future for Slegers and not Melville, which doesn't seem like a tenable opinion to me).

 

My main point: It was a spot start. This is a really useless hill to die on.

[DaveW]

 

Okay. Gibson started today. If he started the first game yesterday, then who starts today? Duffey has been in the bullpen all year. He's not a starter. Get over it. Gonsalves pitched on Sunday. Should they have brought him up on short rest? Slegers could have indeed started game one. However, I'm not sure there's a huge difference between him and Melville (unless for some reason there's a definite future for Slegers and not Melville, which doesn't seem like a tenable opinion to me).

 

My main point: It was a spot start. This is a really useless hill to die on.

They could have set up the rotation in AAA differently very easily, there is no reason why Gonsalves couldn't have been set up to pitch in the double header.

Duffey could have started and given you 4-5 innings on a pitch count, Melville only gave them 3.1 innings after all!

Gibson could have pitched in the DH and they could have had Siegers up for yesterdays game etc

[DaveW]

 

Actually it isn't.

So wins and losses aren't what it's about?

[drjim]

They could have set up the rotation in AAA differently very easily, there is no reason why Gonsalves couldn't have been set up to pitch in the double header.

 

Duffey could have started and given you 4-5 innings on a pitch count, Melville only gave them 3.1 innings after all!

 

Gibson could have pitched in the DH and they could have had Siegers up for yesterdays game etc

Gonsalves was set up to pitch in the doubleheader. They chose not to use him for reasons other than availability.

 

Slegers and Gibson would have been short.

 

I have other complaints about Falvey around the deadline, but 7 games in 5 days is admittedly a strange situation. Starting Duffey and going a bullpen game was maybe the best option.

[Mr. Brooks]

Can you point to a post that clearly implies that? All I've seen is posters explaining why starting Melville was logical or perhaps easiest logistically.

There are 2 just on the page before this one alone.

One from blackjack, one from Thrylos.

[gil4]

im fine with Gee, but Melville, yeesh

I was fine with Melville as well. He was a former top prospect who had injury issues and is now healthy. I still would like to see him get another shot at some point. Falvey was given lemons to work with. He's making lemonade as best he can.