Baseball Bat Provisional Member Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 After the trade deadline I had some time and ranked my top 100 Twins prospects. For references I used fangraphs, BA, MLB Pipeline, Twins Daily's prospect handbook, other available scouting reports, and 2017 performance. Some of these could have changed recently as this list is about 2 weeks old. Just thought I would post to get feedback Rnk Pos. First Last Age1 SS Royce Lewis 182 SS Nick Gordon 213 RHP Fernando Romero 224 LHP Stephen Gonsalves 235 OF Alex Kirilloff 196 OF Brent Rooker 227 SS Wander Javier 188 LHP Tyler Jay 239 RHP Blayne Enlow 1810 RHP Kohl Stewart 2311 RHP Felix Jorge 2312 OF Zack Granite 2413 1B Lewin Diaz 2014 3B Travis Blankenhorn 2115 RHP Zack Littell 2216 RHP Nick Burdi 2417 C Mitch Garver 2618 LHP Lewis Thorpe 2119 RHP J.T. Chargois 2620 C Ben Rortvedt 1921 RHP Brusdar Graterol 1822 LHP Tyler Watson 2023 OF Daniel Palka 2524 RHP Jake Reed 2425 OF LaMonte Wade 2326 RHP Landon Leach 1827 SS Jelfry Marte 1628 RHP Trevor Hildenberger 2629 SS Jermaine Palacios 2130 OF Akil Baddoo 1831 LHP Dietrich Enns 2632 3B Andrew Bechtold 2133 LHP Gabriel Moya 2234 SS Ricardo De La Torre 1835 RHP John Curtiss 2436 LHP Lachlan Wells 2037 OF Jaylin Davis 2338 LHP Randy Rosario 2339 RHP Aaron Slegers 2440 RHP Eduardo Del Rosario 2241 2B Luis Arraez 2042 LHP Mason Melotakis 2643 3B Jose Miranda 1944 LHP Andrew Vasquez 2345 LHP Ryley Widell 2046 SS Engelb Vielma 2347 RHP Luke Bard 2648 3B Nelson Molina 2249 RHP Alan Busenitz 2650 OF Aaron Whitefield 2051 LHP Charlie Barnes 2152 1B Amaurys Minier 2153 RHP Tom Hackimer 2354 3B Trey Cabbage 2055 RHP Jordan Balazovic 1856 1B Zander Wiel 2457 RHP Tyler Benninghoff 1958 OF Tanner English 2459 RHP Griffin Jax 2260 SS Brandon Lopez 2361 RHP Cody Stashek 2362 RHP Williams Ramirez 2563 LHP Bryan Sammons 2264 OF Edgar Corcino 2565 OF Matt Albanese 2266 RHP Ryan Eades 2567 C Rainis Silva 2168 RHP Sean Poppen 2369 RHP Zack Jones 2670 LHP Taylor Clemensia 2071 3B Niko Goodrum 2572 RHP D.J. Baxendale 2673 RHP Dereck Rodriguez 2574 RHP Calvin Faucher 2175 LHP Michael Theofanopoulos 2476 2B Levi Michael 2677 OF Jean Carlos Arias 1978 RHP Pedro Garcia 2279 OF Travis Harrison 2480 RHP Tyler Wells 2281 RHP Colton Davis 2382 LHP Alex Robinson 2283 OF Humberto Maldonado 1984 LHP Sam Clay 2485 RHP Alex Schick 2286 OF Roni Tapia 2087 RHP Johan Quezada 2288 RHP Hector Lujan 2289 LHP Jovani Moran 2090 OF Shane Carrier 2191 3B Chris Paul 2492 SS Sean Miller 2293 LHP David Hurlbut 2794 RHP Nick Anderson 2795 OF Max Murphy 2496 RHP Clark Beeker 2497 RHP Todd Van Steensel 2698 RHP Ryan Mason 2299 C Brian Navarreto 22100 SS Jordan Gore 23
drjim Provisional Member Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Alex Schick over Johan Quezada? Not sure about that.
beckmt Verified Member Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Might have Moya, Curtiss and Slegers all higher. They have all proformed well closer to the major leagues and not gotten the chance for playing much in Minnesota yet.
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 These things are hard to do so bravo but I'd have Baddoo, Miranda and Bechtold all in the top 20. I might put Baddoo in the top 10. Barnes is also too low. Chargois, Littell and Burdi are too high.
benji21 Verified Member Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 Alex Schick over Johan Quezada? Not sure about that.Hahahaha. Nice list. There are some potential gems all along the way!
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 Thorpe should be much higher. But this is an amazing list! Wow.
drivlikejehu Verified Member Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 The Twins don't have 100 "prospects." So I wouldn't try to rank that many,
108Stitches Verified Member Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 Tyler Wells at 80? Lol. You must not have seen him pitch. Yeah he's been on the DL too much but his K percentage is the 6th best in ALL of minor league baseball and his stuff is filthy. And Beeker at 96 and Del Rosario at 40? Not agreeing with much of anything past the top 10 frankly. The rest seem very random.
The Wise One Verified Member Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 Hildenberger is being used late in games at the major league level when the outcome is in doubt. Busenitz is getting closer to that role. They are far down on a just formulated prospect list. What does a player have to do to get respect.
Baseball Bat Provisional Member Posted August 20, 2017 Author Posted August 20, 2017 Thanks for the feedback everyone. Would like to continue to do this 3 or 4 times a year as a good exercise. Found that through this I've discovered guys that I've previously never heard of. This is my first go around and will definitely use this input going forward on where I do my research and analysis. As some of you have pointed out, I just haven't had the opportunity to see some of these guys play at all and I rely on scouting reports / statistics to project. In this future I hope to be able to see more play in person. Sorry to let you down @108Stitches.
Baseball Bat Provisional Member Posted August 20, 2017 Author Posted August 20, 2017 Hildenberger is being used late in games at the major league level when the outcome is in doubt. Busenitz is getting closer to that role. They are far down on a just formulated prospect list. What does a player have to do to get respect. I would agree. This list was finished on about August 3rd, both would be moved up in my mind in a newer ranking.
DocBauer Old-Timey Member Posted August 20, 2017 Posted August 20, 2017 AS much as I follow the Twins milb system, there are guys, with talent, in the lower levels that I just don't know enough about to attempt something like this. Ignoring age and level alone, how do you evaluate guys currently injured vs what they might be when healthy again? And is a potentially high quality bullpen arm really a lesser prospect than a low level SP prospect or quality position player or quality reserve who could develop in to a daily player. Its a tremendous exercise and I applaud you for taking the time to do it. Palacios and Badoo are probably too low. Same with Whitefield. Harrison and Michael too high. Moya ahead of Curtiss? Why? Because he's 2 years younger and LH? Not disagreeing with you or asking for explanations as to your choices. Simply re-interating how difficult this to put something like this together. I thank you for the effort involved!
Baseball Bat Provisional Member Posted August 20, 2017 Author Posted August 20, 2017 AS much as I follow the Twins milb system, there are guys, with talent, in the lower levels that I just don't know enough about to attempt something like this. Ignoring age and level alone, how do you evaluate guys currently injured vs what they might be when healthy again? And is a potentially high quality bullpen arm really a lesser prospect than a low level SP prospect or quality position player or quality reserve who could develop in to a daily player.Its a tremendous exercise and I applaud you for taking the time to do it.Palacios and Badoo are probably too low. Same with Whitefield. Harrison and Michael too high. Moya ahead of Curtiss? Why? Because he's 2 years younger and LH? Not disagreeing with you or asking for explanations as to your choices. Simply re-interating how difficult this to put something like this together. I thank you for the effort involved! You've highlighted some of the issues and dilemmas I had when I made this. I think a natural bias I personally have is a higher ceiling guy. For example, I probably have Rooker, Enlow, and Burdi higher than most. I still think that if healthy, Burdi could be the best reliever in the system, but that is a big big if. One problem I have with MLB Pipeline is I think they tend to overreact to injuries like Tommy John. That surgery appears to be a one time thing where guys often are back to 100% a year or two later. I'd much rather a prospect have Tommy John than constant shoulder issues. I also tend to undervalue low strikeout guys that are having success. This is why I have guys like Slegers and Beeker lower than most. However, both of those guys have been on a tear in the last 3 weeks and would both move up in a newer ranking (Beeker would move up a lot). I think a lot of Twins fans have this same bias since we've watched low K guys for years eventually get lit up and flame out (Gibson, Blackburn, and Slowey all come to mind). Then I face a dilemma like Griffin Jax. He is a borderline top 30 guy IMO if he is still in the system. But now he is on a two year leave with the Air Force. So what happens when he returns? I'd say that's pretty uncharted territory. I will release another ranking after the season ends so expect some changes. Might even add in a sentence or two on each guy.
snap4birds Verified Member Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 You've highlighted some of the issues and dilemmas I had when I made this. I think a natural bias I personally have is a higher ceiling guy. For example, I probably have Rooker, Enlow, and Burdi higher than most. I still think that if healthy, Burdi could be the best reliever in the system, but that is a big big if. With a big list like this, I wonder if it wouldn't help to break it up into 'age groups'. Say 16-20, 21-24, 24+ or something like that. When they're younger, you're looking for high ceiling talents, when they're 24+, you're hoping they're knocking at the door or already contributing to the MLB team. And no one would question why you have Jean Carlos Arias ahead of Travis Harrison, or Brusdar Graterol ahead of Trevor Hildenberger....To me, that seems to be the hardest part about a list like this, how do you compare someone who's been in the org for 5 years against someone in the rookie leagues...
bluechipper Provisional Member Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 Travis Harrison is about 22 spots too high. Batting .221 in 318 AA games means you're no longer a prospect, especially when his main tool was supposed to be his offense. It's weird that he's gotten worse each year at the same level.
bluechipper Provisional Member Posted August 21, 2017 Posted August 21, 2017 My big issue with this list is Jermaine Palacios at 29. He's hitting a combined .312/.346/.478 (.825) with 13 HRs and 19 SBs this year at 20 years old, and it sounds like he's got a chance at sticking at SS. He's probably a top 10 prospect for me.
Baseball Bat Provisional Member Posted August 22, 2017 Author Posted August 22, 2017 With a big list like this, I wonder if it wouldn't help to break it up into 'age groups'. Say 16-20, 21-24, 24+ or something like that. When they're younger, you're looking for high ceiling talents, when they're 24+, you're hoping they're knocking at the door or already contributing to the MLB team. And no one would question why you have Jean Carlos Arias ahead of Travis Harrison, or Brusdar Graterol ahead of Trevor Hildenberger....To me, that seems to be the hardest part about a list like this, how do you compare someone who's been in the org for 5 years against someone in the rookie leagues...Exactly right. It's extremely difficult. Like how do you quantify Ryley Widell, Barnes, Bechtold and De La Torre? I'm pretty high on all of them, but comparing them to like Mitch Garver who has a massive body of work is very hard. I think that is an excellent idea. I might do something like that once the season is over and performance / age / level isn't constantly changing.
Twins33 Verified Member Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 Travis Harrison is about 22 spots too high. Batting .221 in 318 AA games means you're no longer a prospect, especially when his main tool was supposed to be his offense. It's weird that he's gotten worse each year at the same level.Doesnt matter anymore. He's been released. https://twitter.com/sethtweets/status/898988159555350528
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 Bummer for him. I remember after he pounded 15 HRs in A ball that he might be an exciting prospect. Just never came together for him. Best of luck on his future.
clutterheart Verified Member Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 These things are hard to do so bravo but I'd have Baddoo, Miranda and Bechtold all in the top 20. I might put Baddoo in the top 10. Barnes is also too low. Chargois, Littell and Burdi are too high. Agree on all counts. Nice List! I also think Kirilloff has fallen to the bottom of the top 10. Nothing against him and its probably recency bias, but the org has a lot of high ceiling guys who are just as young who had really nice years.Jay at #8 feels too high as he is a bullpen arm now. I would also have Ryley Widell in the 20 - 25 range. Kyle Edelbrock did a nice right up on him:https://www.twinkietown.com/2017/6/13/15794978/minnesota-twins-select-ryley-widell-in-the-seventh-7-round-of-the-2017-mlb-draft
jsteve96 Provisional Member Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 This took a lot of effort so I'm gonna say nice job first! Brusdar Graterol is a top 10 prospect and Akil Baddoo probably is too. Kohl Stewart should be about 10 spots lower I think. also think Wander Javier should be right around 3 or 4. These lists are based off Potential and projection. Zack granite obviously plays in the big leagues but i'd say his potential is way to low to be up there. at best he has a .700 OPS and is a 4th outfielder. To me a guy like Lamonte Wade should be ahead of him because he's got much more potential with the bat. Lewis Thorpe also should be around 10 or so. maybe switch him and Kohl. Tyler Jay probably shouldn't be in the top 20 even, his draft bonus will effect how high he is on those lists though i'm sure..
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