Passan: Dodgers Nearing Deal for Forsythe

[tarheeltwinsfan]

I, for one, am glad the Twins still have Dozier. He is an underrated player and a class act. Goooooooooooooooooo Twins. Beat the Dook Blue Devils...sorry, I got my sports mixed up. By the way, did you read that Grayson Allen has started a travel agency in Durham? The agency motto is: "Let Grayson Allen plan your next trip".

[darin617]

 

 

That lends to what Dave was hearing from his source. I can't believe they would have turned down a JDL + Alvarez + PTBNL. FO tried to hard to hit a grand slam with their first deal with nobody on base. Good thing for them ownership doesn't seem concerned about the baseball aspect of the game, just the cash.

[Old Twins Cap]

No panic.  Last I checked, Dozier is a pretty good player, cheap enough over two years, and can be dealt when and if needed. 

 

Twins got plenty of young talent coming up.  Someone has to take it to the next level, with or without Dozier, so nothing has changed.

 

Yeah, off-season was a yawner, but I am major excited about the young crop and who wants to take the next step. 

[Doomtints]

 

No panic.  Last I checked, Dozier is a pretty good player

 

Can he pitch?

[DaveW]

I, for one, am glad the Twins still have Dozier. He is an underrated player and a class act. Goooooooooooooooooo Twins. Beat the Dook Blue Devils...sorry, I got my sports mixed up. By the way, did you read that Grayson Allen has started a travel agency in Durham? The agency motto is: "Let Grayson Allen plan your next trip".

Lol! Grayson Allen! Man, that guy is the worst.

[notoriousgod71]

Well, I guess I'd rather have a GM that holds out for additional pieces than Ryan who would have traded Dozier for Blanton.

[darin617]

Another reason for the Twins asking for the additional players in the proposed trade.

 

http://www.espn.com/fantasy/baseball/story/_/page/mlbranks_offseason/fantasy-baseball-rankings-top-mlb-players-every-position

 

I will spoil it for the people who don't want to look.

Dozier #27 over all players

Forsythe #166.

 

Dozier listed as 3rd best 2b behind Jose Altuve & Trea Turner who will the Nationals shortstop in 2017.

 

[HawkeyeDodger]

Forsythe is an upgrade for the Dodgers.  He's a borderline top 10 second baseman.  Not as big of an upgrade as Kinsler or Dozier, but will help the Dodgers.  Most reports had more than JDL in a package to the Twins.  Info will leak out eventually who was included.  It will be interesting to see how the names kicked around here perform in the future now.  Dozier, JDL, Alvarez, etc.  If Dave is correct and the Twins turned down JDL and Alvarez, they may regret that for a while.  I think the Eaton deal may have given the Twins an unrealistic view of what Dozier would get them if Dave is correct.  I still think De Leon and Stewart was probably the fair deal, but current roster configuration made it tough to deal both.  

 

I think it is a good deal for the Rays.  They have a lot of cheap controllable pitchers to build around.  Forsythe has to be thrilled to get out of that dump of a ball park and play at Chavez Ravine.  

 

Dave, if your source is correct,  someone like May might have been that 3rd person.  Whether it is this year or next year, if Dozier plays well, the Twins will cash him in for something.  It will be interesting to compare if they were better off waiting to pull the trigger.  

[drivlikejehu]

There's no way the Dodgers offered De Leon and Alvarez for Dozier. This trade confirms that the Dodgers wanted to sell high on De Leon. I guess we'll find out why soon enough.

[drjim]

Forsythe is an upgrade for the Dodgers. He's a borderline top 10 second baseman. Not as big of an upgrade as Kinsler or Dozier, but will help the Dodgers. Most reports had more than JDL in a package to the Twins. Info will leak out eventually who was included. It will be interesting to see how the names kicked around here perform in the future now. Dozier, JDL, Alvarez, etc. If Dave is correct and the Twins turned down JDL and Alvarez, they may regret that for a while. I think the Eaton deal may have given the Twins an unrealistic view of what Dozier would get them if Dave is correct. I still think De Leon and Stewart was probably the fair deal, but current roster configuration made it tough to deal both.

 

I think it is a good deal for the Rays. They have a lot of cheap controllable pitchers to build around. Forsythe has to be thrilled to get out of that dump of a ball park and play at Chavez Ravine.

 

Dave, if your source is correct, someone like May might have been that 3rd person. Whether it is this year or next year, if Dozier plays well, the Twins will cash him in for something. It will be interesting to compare if they were better off waiting to pull the trigger.

I agree with you. Seems like a good move both ways.

 

Will be interesting to see what gets leaked out for a Dozier offer.

[drjim]

There's no way the Dodgers offered De Leon and Alvarez for Dozier. This trade confirms that the Dodgers wanted to sell high on De Leon. I guess we'll find out why soon enough.

Does make me wonder about De Leon too.

[gunnarthor]

Well, that's that.  Seems like the Dodgers held firm to what they wanted to pay and got Forsythe.  I'm glad the Twins didn't take a 1:1 swap.

[mazeville]

 

It was offered along with one of the non Lux guys drafted last year. Twins thought they had more leverage then they had and got BURNED, not a good start. 95 losses but hey, at least Dozier will hit 50 HR! Maybe they can flip him at deadline

 

I'm sorry. But I doubt the veracity of this. If the Twins were offered Dozier and Alvarez plus one other player they would have been horribly stupid to not take that offer. 

 

Nobody else reported this. Your original post said that it was all but a done deal. So I have a tough time believing this one.

 

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, and I appreciate the discussion you started and the effort. I really do.

 

But given your original report - that a trade was on the verge of taking place -- it's hard to believe now that the Twins turned down DeLeon + Alvarez + one other part, especially when nobody else backed that up. 

[jud6312]

On the bright side, the new regime didn't blink, so that's a good thing. Now let's hope 2017 Dozier is closer to second half of 2016 Dozier than first half of 2016 Dozier and he either ups his trade value or contributes to those 70 wins I'm hoping for.

[Doomtints]

Andrew Friedman (Dodgers president) has close ties to Forsythe and has traded for him in the past back when he was GM of the Rays.

 

This deal says nothing about what was on the table for Dozier. Friedman has close ties to the Rays. This was a "buddy" deal so the Dodgers could move on. They no doubt realize they overpaid for him, Friedman went for the solid player that he is familiar with. Considering he was willing to take the worse end of a deal to get a 2B, this indicates that it was the Twins who were being unreasonable.

 

Please don't be offended when the "I told you so's" get brought up regarding De Leon in the future.

[gunnarthor]

Twins weren't offered Alvarez.  Passan reports that the Dodgers were higher on Alvarez than De Leon.  No single credible report has ever suggested Alvarez was in the deal and many credible reports said he wasn't.

 

That the Dodgers only traded De Leon supports the theory that Steve Adams at mlbtraderumors held which was that the Dodgers offered De Leon and "junk."

[prouster]

I don't think we should be too upset about this. By all (confirmed) indications, De Leon was the only real piece the Twins would have received for Dozier. The risks involved have been well documented on this site. If this was truly the case, I'm glad the Twins passed. They can either trade Dozier later or try to extend him.

 

Of course, this trade means Tampa now has a vacancy at second base. Dozier would not be a perfect fit by any means, because the Rays weren't a whole lot better than the Twins last year. However, there have been a few rumors about Tampa looking to unload some of its pitching surplus. Archer is out of the question. Someone like Odorizzi or Snell could be interesting.

 

I don't think a Dozier trade to the Rays is realistic whatsoever. Just saying. . .

[DaveW]

Twins weren't offered Alvarez. Passan reports that the Dodgers were higher on Alvarez than De Leon. No single credible report has ever suggested Alvarez was in the deal and many credible reports said he wasn't.

 

That the Dodgers only traded De Leon supports the theory that Steve Adams at mlbtraderumors held which was that the Dodgers offered De Leon and "junk."

My source is credible, at least in my opinion. You can disagree but I take exception with you not calling me credible. Show more respect please.

[Mike Sixel]

No panic. Last I checked, Dozier is a pretty good player, cheap enough over two years, and can be dealt when and if needed.

 

Twins got plenty of young talent coming up. Someone has to take it to the next level, with or without Dozier, so nothing has changed.

 

Yeah, off-season was a yawner, but I am major excited about the young crop and who wants to take the next step.

If everything is fine, why fire Ryan?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

The Rays would have probably taken De Leon for Forsythe on Day 1, leads me to believe the Dodgers were dealing exclusively with the Twins and waiting for us to blink and finally realized we weren't going to blink.

[prouster]

 

If everything is fine, why fire Ryan?

 

I don't understand this mindset. I don't think anyone actually believes the Twins are on the cusp of winning. However, there is untapped upside on the roster as it currently exists. It would have been batty for the Twins to accept a bad offer for Dozier, even if he is ripe to be traded. Teams don't get better by making bad trades. Why is this controversial?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

This deal says nothing about what was on the table for Dozier.

True, but we have a good idea of who was *not* on the table. The big guys. None of them were on the table. Berardino even reported that Stewart was not on the table in any offer involving De Leon.

[DaveW]

Because the Twins are the worst team in baseball the last 5 years.

 

Because they have by far the worst pitching staff in baseball and one of the worst 5 or 6 SP "pipelines" in baseball.

 

They completely bungled the Dozier trade IMO, and have failed to address anything this off season whatsoever. Castro is barely an improvement over Suzuki. Not sure how that gets us to 70 wins, much less competitive baseball.

[KirbyDome89]

All we need is a refusal to trade him at the deadline followed by a contract extension and the new FO will be members of the TR school of success....

[TyTY23]

 

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/823683869513842688 

And this is why Alvarez was never offered. 

[bluechipper]

 

Does make me wonder about De Leon too.

Same here. The Dodgers have obviously been pretty clear that he's the one guy they're willing to give up.

[Mike Sixel]

I don't understand this mindset. I don't think anyone actually believes the Twins are on the cusp of winning. However, there is untapped upside on the roster as it currently exists. It would have been batty for the Twins to accept a bad offer for Dozier, even if he is ripe to be traded. Teams don't get better by making bad trades. Why is this controversial?

The post I quoted seemed to pretty clearly say it didn't really matter if they trade Brian, and that he is happy he is still here. Maybe I read it wrong. So far they have added Castro.... So it's fixed? They signed no relief pitcher. No flyer starter, no OF. They traded no one. Basically, it was a Ryan off season. The best rebuilding teams trade their veterans. The others sit pat, because they aren't willing to pay the price of being bad. So far, what is better about this team? And if you say growth, then why fire Ryan?

[Mr. Brooks]

I'd rather have DeLeon for 6 years than Dozier for two.

Any additional players would have just been a bonus.

 

I'm very skeptical that Dozier will ever fetch a prospect anywhere close to DeLeon.

 

Another regime that fails to move expiring assets at their peak. So frustrating.

[Doomtints]

 

The Rays would have probably taken De Leon for Forsythe on Day 1, leads me to believe the Dodgers were dealing exclusively with the Twins and waiting for us to blink and finally realized we weren't going to blink.

 

Of course. The Dodgers president used to be the Rays GM. The Dodgers knew they could get this deal done whenever they wanted, and they were even willing to overpay to keep the friendship going.

 

This shows the Dodgers are very intelligent. The new Twins front office is making the types of mistakes Ryan made in the 90s. In the end, Ryan only seemed to be able to trade with a handful of teams and over the past few years he got burned each time. This indicates the other teams were not dealing with Ryan in good faith. This new front office seems very adept at burning bridges as well.

[jimmer]

 

Deleon for Forsythe straight up. Probably same thing they offered to Twins. 

We have absolutely no way of knowing that.  And it'd be hard to believe.