DaveW: Dodgers trade for Dozier to be completed within the next 24 hours

[DaveW]

Having read this it makes me wonder if that final offer that Dave mentioned was from the Twins and not the Dodgers. Like I said, I have no reason to doubt Dave's integrity, but if the Dodgers are worried about moving Deleon as the first piece then I have a hard time thinking it was the Dodgers who said Deleon and Alvarez + AAAA player is the final offer.

 

Turner's deal is done now so the Dodgers can move on to other things. I'm sure the Dodgers have and will continue to check in on McCutchen if they can rid themselves of an OF.

Typical spin coming from the team via a friendly media member. They are fine with trading DeLeon 100%

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I wish I had more news though. I get the feeling that my buddy/source is holding something back, apparently this thread has been spoken of by at least one of the two front offices involved....

Most definitely. Like I said before, it's a little (more than a little) embarrassing to have your intel leaked by random guy on internet.

 

Lots of trades go down in January. It's a win-win and the teams seem willing to do this.75/25 that something still happens. If it doesn't I still believe you had something.

[HawkeyeDodger]

Just got done listening to Dodger Talk with the Dodgers beat reporter.  He said the Dodgers have made an offer for Dozier and it is the Twins holding things up.  He didn't mention any names.  I'm sure from the Twins perspective the Dodgers are holding things up.  He basically said the new front office for the Twins is afraid to pull the trigger at the moment.  He also said that the Dodgers are still talking to Tigers and Rays about Kinsler and Forsythe.  At winter meeting he was told by a few AL GM's that they thought Forsythe was a better overall player than Dozier.  Freidman traded for Forsythe once before too.

 

The Dodgers currently have 39 guys on the roster and have to add Turner and Jansen.  Awaiting for them to take physicals and the Dodgers are shopping Kazmir to teams hoping to clear a space.  He mentioned the Mariners.

 

Don't kill the messenger.  Just reporting was was stated.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

He is close with Deleon.  He did everything they asked of him when he was sent down and when he returned.  Can he maintain that for 162 games is the million dollar question?  I will say that he chased less balls out of the strike zone when he came back up.  Each year since his rookie year he has been better about hitting the cutoff man and honestly he played GG level defense most of the time out there.  He does need to get leaner and he does need to shorten up.  Most Dodgers fans weren't happy to see Reddick getting most of the AB's in the postseason against the Cubs.   Deleon isn't his only friend either.  Sometimes the media makes it sound like he's hated in the clubhouse.  He was just at Jansen's wedding with Turner and SVS.  Maturity and consistent dedication to the little things is what's needed.  He may just be a .280-.285 hitter who hits 15-20 HRs a year and plays stellar defense and not the guy who took the game by storm.  He's never going to be a great base stealer because he can't read pitcher very well.  The base running has been incrementally better but there is head scratching moments like when he was bunted over to 3rd last year and he froze and didn't run.  Later in the game he scored from 1st on a single in the gap.  So, you take the good with bad on the bases. Having said that, I'm not sure that I see him as a fit in Minnesota though. And yes, I used batting average again.

First of all thanks for your insight with this. I'd guess the Twins have no interest in Puig for other reasons. Forgetting the outs every game or inning. The long, majestic, high-arcing 400-foot base hits. Bat flips after drawing a walk. Those are the things that make Puig a non-starter here. The "Minnesota Nice" is in the Twins DNA to some extent. And if people don't know about the 2nd base sac bunt snafu, they owe it to themselves to look it up. Imagine if Rosario or Sano had done something like that.

[DaveW]

Just got done listening to Dodger Talk with the Dodgers beat reporter. He said the Dodgers have made an offer for Dozier and it is the Twins holding things up. He didn't mention any names. I'm sure from the Twins perspective the Dodgers are holding things up. He basically said the new front office for the Twins is afraid to pull the trigger at the moment. He also said that the Dodgers are still talking to Tigers and Rays about Kinsler and Forsythe. At winter meeting he was told by a few AL GM's that they thought Forsythe was a better overall player than Dozier. Freidman traded for Forsythe once before too.

 

The Dodgers currently have 39 guys on the roster and have to add Turner and Jansen. Awaiting for them to take physicals and the Dodgers are shopping Kazmir to teams hoping to clear a space. He mentioned the Mariners.

 

Don't kill the messenger. Just reporting was was stated.

This actually confirms my source as well, as they have been saying the Dodgers have made their "final" offer and it's in the Twins court, but the Twins keep coming back in re: to third piece (and potential 4th)

 

Of course, final offers in early December are hardly final offers usually. But this does help confirm that it's the Twins holding out for more.

 

Always nice to get a second source.

 

As a Twins fan: I applaud them, they have the leverage.

 

Though I do want to see this deal done soon!

[Oxtung]

 

One more thought on Dozier's value. Looking at WAR, he was more productive over the last three years than any free agent available this off-season (Dozier had a better 3-year WAR than Cespedes, Bautista, Turner, Encarnacion, or Fowler).

 

In addition, Dozier's 3-year production topped big name position players like Freeman, McCutcheon, Cano, Heyward, Carpenter, Longoria, Stanton, Pedroia, Lucroy and Tulowitzki. 

 

Just something to think about when trying to determine Dozier's trade value.

In a similar vein, during the 2014-2015 seasons (for the sake of argument assuming his 2016 was a complete fluke) he posted the 29th highest WAR in baseball and the 3rd highest amongst 2B behind only Kinsler, Altuve and tied with Dee Gordon.

 

I think I've been underrating Dozier.  If he even splits the difference between his previous seasons and '16 ....

 

HawkeyeDodger, what's the latest on the Kinsler trade front?  Are the Dodgers still interested or have they moved on since he wants an extension?

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

One more thought on Dozier's value. Looking at WAR, he was more productive over the last three years than any free agent available this off-season (Dozier had a better 3-year WAR than Cespedes, Bautista, Turner, Encarnacion, or Fowler).

 

In addition, Dozier's 3-year production topped big name position players like Freeman, McCutcheon, Cano, Heyward, Carpenter, Longoria, Stanton, Pedroia, Lucroy and Tulowitzki. 

 

Just something to think about when trying to determine Dozier's trade value.

 

It seems that no one mentions that Dozier's BABIP was only .280 last year. All that punch with a .280 BABIP?

 

As the Dodgers have just spent 7.371 fortunes on resigning the gang from last year they will want to improve with someone who is relatively inexpensive. Enter Dozier.

 

I expect Dozier to have a couple more really good seasons in him.

This trade should happen. It could really benefit both teams.

[DaveW]

 

In a similar vein, during the 2014-2015 seasons (for the sake of argument assuming his 2016 was a complete fluke) he posted the 29th highest WAR in baseball and the 3rd highest amongst 2B behind only Kinsler, Altuve and tied with Dee Gordon.

 

I think I've been underrating Dozier.  If he even splits the difference between his previous seasons and '16 ....

 

HawkeyeDodger, what's the latest on the Kinsler trade front?  Are the Dodgers still interested or have they moved on since he wants an extension?

Everything I have heard is Kinsler is not an option...take that for what you will...

[mickeymental]

oh, i will.

[AlwaysinModeration]

If this trade goes through, as everyone seems to believe, then the Twins are going to have a rotation centered around two Puerto Rican pitchers for the years ahead. We need to establish a nickname for the pair. Can I suggest:

 

Dos X Maquinas?

[Cory Engelhardt]

Darren Wolfson, on his podcast from last night, said he is hearing that a Dozier to the Dodgers deal, with De Leon in the package, is being heavily discussed, and he wouldn't be surprised to see a deal done in the very near future.

 

Just FYI. More smoke to the fire.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Well we know the twins front office is aware of twins daily, so it isn't crazy to think in the last week they've seen this thread. I mean, where else are they supposed to get updates from? ****, no joking anymore....

I don't think they would care too much. At this point all we know is a little bit about Mack Brown.

 

Heck, Jack Goin just posted in another thread, so yeah, someone at the Twins has probably read it.

[laloesch]

 

People were saying the same thing about Chris Camello on Sunday night.  I don't know Dave well enough to doubt his integrity.  I'm just a guest here and was curious to hear from Twins fans.

 

Welcome!

[GP830]

I'm sure this has been discussed in the previous 70 pages, but has Joc Pederson's name been floated? He's a strong bounce back candidate, young, controllable, and would let Rosario be the 4th OF that many think he is. Not to mention he's a lefty bat. 

 

Too much? 

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

I'm sure this has been discussed in the previous 70 pages, but has Joc Pederson's name been floated? He's a strong bounce back candidate, young, controllable, and would let Rosario be the 4th OF that many think he is. Not to mention he's a lefty bat. 

 

Too much? 

 

I'd love to get him, but I think he is too much for the Dodgers to give up. I know Trayce Thompson and Andrew Toles have been mentioned, and I would guess if the Twins are getting more guys who are on the current roster, it is guys at that level.

[Loosey]

 

Darren Wolfson, on his podcast from last night, said he is hearing that a Dozier to the Dodgers deal, with De Leon in the package, is being heavily discussed, and he wouldn't be surprised to see a deal done in the very near future.

 

Just FYI. More smoke to the fire.

Did he credit DaveW and Twins Daily?  

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I'm sure this has been discussed in the previous 70 pages, but has Joc Pederson's name been floated? He's a strong bounce back candidate, young, controllable, and would let Rosario be the 4th OF that many think he is. Not to mention he's a lefty bat. 

 

Too much? 

 

Yes, way too much.  I'm not sure why you'd call Pederson a "bounce back candidate" as he just posted a career high 129 OPS+, second best on the 2016 Dodgers and not far off Dozier's 136.  True, Pederson has been platooned, but as a LHB he's the larger share of the platoon, he's still just 24 years old making the league minimum salary, and he's controlled for 4 more seasons.

 

Pederson actually has a reasonable case for being more valuable than Dozier!

[DaveW]

I don't see why the dodgers would

want to trade Pederson at this stage.

[Lonestar]

I have followed the whole thread and discovered this on a link to a Dodgers discussion board in the thread. I don't recall seeing this referred to here:

 

Aaron Gleeman aka Dostoevsky tweeted this on 6-Dec

People in two different, non-Twins front offices told me today [6-Dec] that they’re convinced Brian Dozier will be traded. Lotta Dodgers steam.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Did he credit DaveW and Twins Daily?  

 

Nope. He said he was hearing from a number of places.

[Mike Sixel]

 

It seems that no one mentions that Dozier's BABIP was only .280 last year. All that punch with a .280 BABIP?

 

As the Dodgers have just spent 7.371 fortunes on resigning the gang from last year they will want to improve with someone who is relatively inexpensive. Enter Dozier.

 

I expect Dozier to have a couple more really good seasons in him.

This trade should happen. It could really benefit both teams.

 

I don't think HRs count in BABIP....only other struck balls, but I could be wrong.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I have followed the whole thread and discovered this on a link to a Dodgers discussion board in the thread. I don't recall seeing this referred to here:

Aaron Gleeman aka Dostoevsky tweeted this on 6-Dec

Since this thread started a few days after that Gleeman tweet, that's probably why it hasn't been referred to much.  8 days (and counting) is a lot of time for that "lotta Dodgers steam" to dissipate.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

It seems that no one mentions that Dozier's BABIP was only .280 last year. All that punch with a .280 BABIP?

That .280 figure is actually Dozier's career high BABIP to date.  I don't think it's correct to assume he will improve on it simply because it is lower than league average.  He profiles as a lower BABIP type hitter.  (Not saying he can't be a valuable hitter in the future, just that you can't really count on increased positive value from this aspect of his game.)

[Taildragger8791]

 

That .280 figure is actually Dozier's career high BABIP to date.  I don't think it's correct to assume he will improve on it simply because it is lower than league average.  He profiles as a lower BABIP type hitter.  (Not saying he can't be a valuable hitter in the future, just that you can't really count on increased positive value from this aspect of his game.)

 

That makes sense considering his propensity for hitting fly balls. Tough to elevate the BABIP without more line drives, or grounders to the left side that have a chance to be outrun.

[spinowner]

 

I'm sure this has been discussed in the previous 70 pages, but has Joc Pederson's name been floated? He's a strong bounce back candidate, young, controllable, and would let Rosario be the 4th OF that many think he is. Not to mention he's a lefty bat. 

 

Too much? 

Ideally the Twins want a RHB or SH in their outfield corps with Rosario and Kepler presumed to be the leading in-house candidates to accompany Buxton.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Ideally the Twins want a RHB or SH in their outfield corps with Rosario and Kepler presumed to be the leading in-house candidates to accompany Buxton.

 

Ideally they want talent, no? Has Rosario shown, yet, that he can be a starting caliber outfielder at all? I mean, maybe a platoon helps help by far, but if they can upgrade completely on him, isn't that a good thing.

 

And, I don't think Joc Pederson is gettable here.

[HitInAPinch]

 

I don't think HRs count in BABIP....only other struck balls, but I could be wrong.

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[HitInAPinch]

After all this time ( Ok, maybe it just seems like that ) why no word of the Twins maybe sweetening the pot a little?  

[DaveW]

 

After all this time ( Ok, maybe it just seems like that ) why no word of the Twins maybe sweetening the pot a little?  

The Twins don't have a whole lot that will help the Dodgers "win now"

Santana? Too expensive and they don't need him.
Santiago? lulz
Hughes/Perkins? Too risky
Rosario? No need
Kintzler? I mean everyone could use more arms, but now that he is a "proven closer" the price would be too high.
 

[spinowner]

 

Ideally they want talent, no? Has Rosario shown, yet, that he can be a starting caliber outfielder at all? I mean, maybe a platoon helps help by far, but if they can upgrade completely on him, isn't that a good thing.

 

And, I don't think Joc Pederson is gettable here.

I didn't necessarily mean that Rosario would start if there were a fourth outfielder who is better, and we should carry the four outfielders who make the team as good as possible. It's just that ideally it's best not to have 3 LH outfielders if that can be avoided.