THE NEW YORK TWINS

[Rosterman]

If we think things are bad in Minnesota, what is happening in New York City.

 

First off, Aaron Hicks is playing his usual way in the outfield for the Yankees.

 

Now the Yankees added Chris Parmelee to the roster when their first baseman went down. Chris Parmelee. Of course, we don't have a spot for Chris at first or in our outfield, not for quite a spell.

 

Now the pinstripes promote Anthony Swarzak, who probably threw a home-run ball or two towards Mr. Byung-Ho Park in 2015, to their bullpen.

 

The former Twins team just keeps getting better and better as the summer rolls in. Presley, Achter, Robinson, Rivera, Duensing getting called up at times. 

 

Yet how many of these names from our seasons past would we really want on the current roster. Well, I guess we can't be choosy. The Yankees want two of them!

[old nurse]

Hermann and Fryer are doing well, although Fryer in a very limited role.  Robinson is being average for the Angels.  I don't know that you would say that any of the former Twins pitchers are doing all that well. Maybe by comparison no worse. Worley looks to be Baltimore's mop up pitcher.

It is rather weird as Plouffe play poorly, Valencia plays well.  He and Span are really the only former Twins doing that well. Then again, I didn't look that hard. For the most part the former Twins bouncing around are the inexpensive players. The scouts do have an eye for major league talent. It will be nicer if it were for someone to develop as a long time starter.

[Thrylos]

 

 

 

 

 

Valencia plays well.  He and Span are really the only former Twins doing that well.

 

David Ortiz (.340/.424/.732 16 HR, 54 RBI)

Steve Pearce (.316/.399/.534 8 HR, 20 RBI)

Wilson Ramos (.350/.392/.569 8 HR, 31 RBI)

Yangervis Solarte (.329/.413/.586 4HR, 16RBI)

Peter Moylan (1.86 ERA, 1.99 FIP, 9.6 K/9)

Pat Neshek (2.89 ERA, 0.857 WHIP, 8.7 K/9)

even Casey Fien (0.00 ERA, 0.439 WHIP, 15.4 K/9 SSS)

 

would beg to differ

 

Soon to add Deolis Guerra to the list...

[laloesch]

 

David Ortiz (.340/.424/.732 16 HR, 54 RBI)

Steve Pearce (.316/.399/.534 8 HR, 20 RBI)

Wilson Ramos (.350/.392/.569 8 HR, 31 RBI)

Yangervis Solarte (.329/.413/.586 4HR, 16RBI)

Peter Moylan (1.86 ERA, 1.99 FIP, 9.6 K/9)

Pat Neshek (2.89 ERA, 0.857 WHIP, 8.7 K/9)

even Casey Fien (0.00 ERA, 0.439 WHIP, 15.4 K/9 SSS)

 

would beg to differ

 

Soon to add Deolis Guerra to the list...

 

 

Yeah the Wilson Ramos stat really hurts.  What a boondoggle trade that was.  Ughhh.

[Linus]

When do the statute of limitations run out on the Ortiz situation? I'm guessing there was a bad decision made about Walter Johnson if we go back far enough.

[TheLeviathan]

You mean that handful of games Hicks didn't suck weren't reason to lament that trade?

 

Shocked.  I'm shocked.  This is my shocked face.

[Rosterman]

Besides Ortiz, the only other name we wish we kept was Ramos. But Garza, Liriano, Dickey, Manship, Hendriks, Pelfrey, Achter, Boyer, Breslow, A.J., Revere, Hardy, Colabello, Butera, Morales, Gomez, Fuld, Valencia...peobably can live without msot of them.

 

Would Solarte be battling Sano for 3B (or meant for us not to get Park)? Moylan has been around too much. Pearce was an interesting signing for AAA that developed good...better him than Doumit at one time, I would've thought.

 

Of course Lohse and Nathan are battling back. Beimel is out there. Morneau! Anyone want a go with Morneau!

[gil4]

 

The former Twins team just keeps getting better and better as the summer rolls in. Presley, Achter, Robinson, Rivera, Duensing getting called up at times. 

 

 

Bombo is playing again?  (Sorry, my mind is drawing a blank on a recent Twin whose last name is Rivera.)

[gil4]

 

You mean that handful of games Hicks didn't suck weren't reason to lament that trade?

We have certainly moved on to new reasons to lament that trade.

[David HK]

 

David Ortiz (.340/.424/.732 16 HR, 54 RBI)

Steve Pearce (.316/.399/.534 8 HR, 20 RBI)

Wilson Ramos (.350/.392/.569 8 HR, 31 RBI)

Yangervis Solarte (.329/.413/.586 4HR, 16RBI)

Peter Moylan (1.86 ERA, 1.99 FIP, 9.6 K/9)

Pat Neshek (2.89 ERA, 0.857 WHIP, 8.7 K/9)

even Casey Fien (0.00 ERA, 0.439 WHIP, 15.4 K/9 SSS)

 

would beg to differ

 

Soon to add Deolis Guerra to the list...

Ouch.

[David HK]

 

When do the statute of limitations run out on the Ortiz situation? I'm guessing there was a bad decision made about Walter Johnson if we go back far enough.

Never.

[The Wise One]

Moylan went how long from being cut by the Twins until being picked up by Atlanta.

Solarte  chose to sign with Texas rather than the Twins. Still took him a couple of years and being in the right place at the right time.Still it was his decision not to try for the winnable 2b, 3b, ss positions for the Twins in 2012.  Current stats are all signaling career Danny Santana type year.

Steve Pearce. The Yankees, Houston, and Baltimore also sent him away after the Twins. It still took him a couple of years after the Twins let him go for him to get established.

Casey Fien.  5 games.  How many different posters through the winter said to get rid of him.

Ortiz,  every other team passed when he was made available.

 

Stretching to prove a point

 

Hardy, Ramos, Garza.. Any wonder why Smith is in the Dominican

[Thrylos]

 

Bombo is playing again?  (Sorry, my mind is drawing a blank on a recent Twin whose last name is Rivera.)

 

Rene

[Thrylos]

 

Moylan went how long from being cut by the Twins until being picked up by Atlanta.

Solarte  chose to sign with Texas rather than the Twins. Still took him a couple of years and being in the right place at the right time.Still it was his decision not to try for the winnable 2b, 3b, ss positions for the Twins in 2012.  Current stats are all signaling career Danny Santana type year.

Steve Pearce. The Yankees, Houston, and Baltimore also sent him away after the Twins. It still took him a couple of years after the Twins let him go for him to get established.

Casey Fien.  5 games.  How many different posters through the winter said to get rid of him.

Ortiz,  every other team passed when he was made available.

 

Stretching to prove a point

 

Hardy, Ramos, Garza.. Any wonder why Smith is in the Dominican

 

No point other than it was said that only Valencia and Span are the former Twins who are doing well.  I begged to differ.  A whole bunch of other former Twins doing well.  

 

Anything else is way too much reading into it.

 

Ortiz will always be a former Twin, same as Moylan, same as Pierce.  It is an undisputed fact  

 

[70charger]

Swarzak? Parmelee?

 

The Yankees can keep 'em. I'll keep Nunez.

[HitInAPinch]

I guess I don't understand the point here.  Are we really celebrating that fact that some players who didn't work out [reasons varying] with the Twins are not successful now?

 

Ortiz; a blip, but a big one.  Why he was released in 2002, IDK.  14 years ago. I've let that one go about 12 years ago.

 

Baseball drafting and trades, in the end, are still crapshoots.  Sometimes you win, sometimes you get the crap.

[blindeke]

Is there a Chrome plug-in that will prevent Wilson Ramos' name from appearing on my browser? Any time I'm reminded that he exists I get depressed.

[DaveW]

 

When do the statute of limitations run out on the Ortiz situation?

Until the Twins actually make another world series.

Red Sox fans lamented the Bambino trade for 80+ years, if the Twins kept Ortiz around they almost certainly would have won at least one title.

[wsnydes]

 

David Ortiz (.340/.424/.732 16 HR, 54 RBI)

Steve Pearce (.316/.399/.534 8 HR, 20 RBI)

Wilson Ramos (.350/.392/.569 8 HR, 31 RBI)

Yangervis Solarte (.329/.413/.586 4HR, 16RBI)

Peter Moylan (1.86 ERA, 1.99 FIP, 9.6 K/9)

Pat Neshek (2.89 ERA, 0.857 WHIP, 8.7 K/9)

even Casey Fien (0.00 ERA, 0.439 WHIP, 15.4 K/9 SSS)

 

would beg to differ

 

Soon to add Deolis Guerra to the list...

Is that all?  

[Loosey]

 

Until the Twins actually make another world series.

Red Sox fans lamented the Bambino trade for 80+ years, if the Twins kept Ortiz around they almost certainly would have won at least one title.

The Curse of The Big Papi.

[gocgo]

What's Liriano doing these days?

[gil4]

 

my mind is drawing a blank on a recent Twin whose last name is Rivera.

 

 

Rene

 

Thanks.  At least it wasn't someone I feel bad about forgetting.

[SweetOne69]

 

Yeah the Wilson Ramos stat really hurts.  What a boondoggle trade that was.  Ughhh.

You can argue that the the Twins didn't get a good enough return for him, but Ramos was guaranteed to be traded before the 2011 season.  Ramos was out of options and was too good to sit on the bench behind Mauer.

[wsnydes]

 

You can argue that the the Twins didn't get a good enough return for him, but Ramos was guaranteed to be traded before the 2011 season.  Ramos was out of options and was too good to sit on the bench behind Mauer.

Agreed.  I've never minded that he was dealt, its what he was dealt for that has always ticked me off.

[alarp33]

 

You can argue that the the Twins didn't get a good enough return for him, but Ramos was guaranteed to be traded before the 2011 season.  Ramos was out of options and was too good to sit on the bench behind Mauer.

 

Guaranteed? Mauer averaged 64 games started at catcher from '11-'13, then never caught again.  "Guaranteeing" to give away a catcher prospect would've been pretty stupid

[wsnydes]

 

Guaranteed? Mauer averaged 64 games started at catcher from '11-'13, then never caught again.  "Guaranteeing" to give away a catcher prospect would've been pretty stupid

I agree with your point, yet that's exactly what they did.

[Marzen2016]

 

Guaranteed? Mauer averaged 64 games started at catcher from '11-'13, then never caught again.  "Guaranteeing" to give away a catcher prospect would've been pretty stupid

I think we all know what he meant, Ramos was all but gone because of the Mauer luxury. (Didn't end being a luxury)  They couldn't have known that Mauer was going to have all those health issues.  Smith just make the proper trade with Ramos involved, pretty sure most Twins agree that they could have gotten more in return than Matt Capps.  The fact is that Ramos was going to be traded and not be wasted on the bench behind Mauer, it just didn't work out very well obviously.

[alarp33]

There was a Mauer luxury (that didn't end up being one), but I still think it would've been pretty stupid to label Ramos as a "must-trade" just because his options were up.  He was only 23 years old and could've easily split time with Mauer the next few seasons, before Mauer moved off Catcher (which likely would've happened with or without concussions at some point)

[Champuckett]

The BoSox only got 3 World Series championships out of Ortiz.  The Yankees have over 25 World Series championship victories to their franchise name.  

 

So really, 3, in the grand of scale of things, isn't that many.

[Guest]

When do the statute of limitations run out on the Ortiz situation? I'm guessing there was a bad decision made about Walter Johnson if we go back far enough.

At the same time that winning one playoff series in 2002 and losing a bunch to the Yankees before Brad Radke retired are no longer cited as evidence of having a proven process for success.