Eddie Rosario Demoted to Rochester

[LaBombo]

 

Care to list some of them?

 

Oooh,   let me start!

 

 

1.    Mammal

 

 

Guess I'm more of a big picture guy,   so maybe you guys can take it from there.

[nicksaviking]

Care to list some of them?

Former Astros top prospect.

 

Released by the club at only 25.

 

Corner OF.

 

Modest minor league power but excellent on base skills at all levels.

 

Middle name Felix.

 

One of those is false.

[Seth Stohs]

They're the definition of replacement level players (if given enough at bats)... Grossman is still just 26 and I liked him as a prospect 3-4 years ago... 

 

And, more important, I want Rosario to turn things around and that probably needs to happen now at AAA. 

 

This is all big picture thinking since 2016 is over already. (I mean, pretty much... I have to maintain my optimistic personality, right?)

[LaBombo]

 

Former Astros top prospect.

DFA'd by the club at 25.

Corner OF.

Modest minor league power but excellent on base skills at all levels.

Middle name Felix.

One of those is false.

 

 

Now that he's a Twin we can probably cross item 4 off the list.

[jorgenswest]

Grossman is 26 and once a BP top 100 prospect(76). Seems like the kind of player bad teams should be giving a shot. They may well get a few good years of useful play. Meanwhile, let the young players get extended playing time at AAA.

[Dave The Dastardly]

 

Had the FO not lost John Hicks on the Murphy fiasco, and Murphy had not come to his senses and retired, we now would have brought in 3 players off the scrap heap, before the 20th of May. We need a TD pool. (Legal disclaimer, no money will change hands, only pork chops). Everyone throws in a buck, er I mean a pork chop, and picks the name of someone on the roster. If your player is the next one to Rocherster, you get all the money, uh pork chops!

Are those smoked pork chops? Put me down for May. I mean the player. Not the month. The FO has decided he should be a starter and not a reliever so they'll send him back to Hotel California to "stretch him out". I hear they use that gizmo from Princess Bride to do that. So May will return only mostly dead. Not all dead. But then the Twins are mostly dead anyway.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

I don't even know that he didn't warrant it, as a stand alone issue. And there were a lot of offensive reasons to demote him, but the BS about the steal and the aggravating Verlander is BS. Mr. Burr made some excellent observations on that issue. And I added my two cents, which was: if you don't want to cover third, that's your problem, not Rosario's. There is no code that on a 3-2 count with two outs you stay close to first, even with no first baseman. This is simply an adjustment to extreme shifts. Dollars to a donut that if Dozier had done it, he would have been heralded for his aggressive baserunning. (Well maybe up until yesterday when Bert started reaming him a new posterior)

From here on out, nobody take an extra base, even when it's given to you.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

The steal was irrelevant. If Eddie was demoted for that, it's only another indication this organization is driving blind.

But Eddie deserved to be demoted.

That was the justification for the demotion, yes.

 

If he deserved to be demoted, he should have been demoted before that, correct?

[jud6312]

 

Care to list some of them?

 

• Human beings
• Need oxygen to survive
• Both been to Houston
• Have the letter R in their last name

I think you see the parallels here.

[jud6312]

I'm all for Rosario getting sent down, but there has to be a better option than Robbie Grossman. This is just another trash heap claim that Molitor won't be able to resist starting.

 

I'd rather watch Nick Punto, Drew Butera and Jason Tyner play double dutch than an OF of Grossman, Santana and Mastroianni. And you can almost guarantee that's coming before the end of the week.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I don't mind players taking the Rochester shuttle, and Rosario needed to go, but I really don't like the way they are demoting players immediately after bad performances and then calling up guys to replace them who were free agents about 15 minutes ago. I can't believe this makes sense to guys like Kepler or Buxton, either.

[nicksaviking]

Now that he's a Twin we can probably cross item 4 off the list.

I get the joke and completely agree that they were negligent in fielding a roster that can get on base, but if laymen like us know that, surely they do too, even if it came too late. Taking a flier on a guy with strong on base skills, something this club desperately needs, is likely a sign that they want to fix it.

 

But again, I'm not a Grossman fan and I want wholesale organizational changes. I just feel it's only fair to point out this move may very well be based on the idea that they DO understand their flaws. Even if this crew is ultimately unable to fix it.

[jokin]

 

not sure we can stop at just OF when we say that. IF?  Catcher?

 

Pitcher?

[Winston Smith]

 

They're the definition of replacement level players (if given enough at bats)... Grossman is still just 26 and I liked him as a prospect 3-4 years ago... 

 

And, more important, I want Rosario to turn things around and that probably needs to happen now at AAA. 

 

This is all big picture thinking since 2016 is over already. (I mean, pretty much... I have to maintain my optimistic personality, right?)

Things must be really really bad!

[KirbyDome89]

Soooo we just picked up Jordan Schafer part 2....

[jud6312]

 

Soooo we just picked up Jordan Schafer part 2....

I think you're aiming a tad high there.

 

Schafer was a Top-100 prospect on 2 lists for 2 years, whereas RG was on 1 list for 1 year. So he's probably only 25% as good.

[LaBombo]

 

I get the joke and completely agree that they were negligent in fielding a roster that can get on base, but if laymen like us know that, surely they do too, even if it came too late. Taking a flier on a guy with strong on base skills, something this club desperately needs, is likely a sign that they want to fix it.

But again, I'm not a Grossman fan and I want wholesale organizational changes. I just feel it's only fair to point out this move may very well be based on the idea that they DO understand their flaws. Even if this crew is ultimately unable to fix it.

 

Without looking to closely at what's out there,   I'm ok with Grossman too.    Or at least with them choosing what need to try to address when they chose Grossman,  as opposed to a Bucky Buchanan type   AAAA lumberjack who homers once every 30 AB's and K's in all the others.

 

But good LORD,    how does a franchise that traded away Aaron Hicks in November end up with no outfielders on the DL and yet resort to Robbie Grossman in May?

[curt1965]

I'm at the point of not even wanting Buxton up here. This freaking manager will have him platooning with the worst player in baseball, Danny Santana. And he'll just head back down to Rochester after a 1-10 3 game series anyways

Danny Santana is NOT the worse player in baseball. I'm going to resist the urge to expound further so I won't get any warning points, but you need to get a grip, dude!

[Mr. Brooks]

Danny Santana is NOT the worse player in baseball. I'm going to resist the urge to expound further so I won't get any warning points, but you need to get a grip, dude!

Since the start of 2015, who is worse?

[mikelink45]

What is the WAR potential of Grossman and Mastroianni?  What is our ceiling now.  But them around Santanna in center and we are able to maintain our current pace and still say we are playing up to our potential. 

[curt1965]

Darin Mastrioni (sp) for one.........

[alarp33]

Danny Santana is NOT the worse player in baseball. I'm going to resist the urge to expound further so I won't get any warning points, but you need to get a grip, dude!

Actually, by WAR since start of 2015 I believe he is. But please, expound further

[Mr. Brooks]

Darin Mastrioni (sp) for one.........

Well I'm referring to regular players.

Mastrioni has all of 7 mlb plate appearances in that time frame so I'm not really counting him.

[Rosterman]

For starters, we have five guys who have no business being on the 40-man and playing in the major leagues right now: Pat Dean, Brandon Kintzler, Ryan Pressly, Darin Mastroianni, Robbie Grossman.

 

Throw in names like Nolasco, probably Hughes, Jepsen that should be replaced sooner rather than later, and Vargas who has no place in the organization.

 

Add in Plouffe, maybe Dozier, possibly Gibson, definitely Nunez, maybe Escobar, not to mention Suzuki, and the roster is in shambles.

 

But Meyer and Berrios, Turner and Garver, Kepler and Buxton and Rosario and Walker amongst so many other arms for the future from Chargolis and Reed and Burdi and Cederoth and Stewart and even Bard and Baxendale all could jsut as well put in time and the team should do as well as they are doing now.

 

Tough call.

 

But adding AAAA rejects from other teams IS NOT the answer.

 

 

[TheLeviathan]

3. Hicks was developed about as poorly as possible by how this club handled him. The minute he shows some flashes at the major league level you dump him? He had a slow start for the Yankees, but has gotten hits in 12 of his last 13 games for them with 2 HR and 3 doubles.

Hicks and his sub 600 OPS wouldn't be inspiring me about our roster decisions. We needed actual talent.

[LaBombo]

 

Since the start of 2015, who is worse?

 

Well,  the Tigers and Red Sox let VMart,  Panda, and Hanley play enough defense that they all managed to rack up more negative WAR in 2015 than Santana,  but it took them all about 200 more PA's to do so.

 

Otherwise,  Casey McGahee and Matt Joyce produced the same negative WAR as Dantana at about the same clip.   So far none of them can match the awfulness of his -0.4 WAR in 2016 though.

 

So Santana is the worst if you take into account his limited opportunities to do damage to the team.

 

Fact check rating:

 

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[Mr. Brooks]

Well, the Tigers and Red Sox let VMart, Panda, and Hanley play enough defense that they all managed to rack up more negative WAR than Santana, but it took them all about 200 more PA's to do so.

 

Otherwise, Casey McGahee and Matt Joyce produced the same negative WAR as Dantana at about the same clip. So far none of them can match the awfulness of his -0.4 WAR in 2016 though.

 

So Santana is the worst if you take into account his limited opportunities to do damage to the team.

 

Fact check rating:

 

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So, depending on exactly what formula used, he's either the absolute worst player in all of baseball over that time, or possibly only one of the 5 or 6 worst in all of baseball?

That's about what I thought.

[USAFChief]

Another failed corner outfielder, signed days ago, sporting a sub .400 SLG in over 4000 professional PAs.

 

That should help.

[alarp33]

So, depending on exactly what formula used, he's either the absolute worst player in all of baseball over that time, or possibly only one of the 5 or 6 worst in all of baseball?

That's about what I thought.

Using bWAR I think he's absolute worst. VMart, Hanley have both been positive WAR guys this year, while Danny has racked up a negative .4, which is impressive since he spent time on the DL, limiting his opportunities to cost his team wins

[LaBombo]

 

So, depending on exactly what formula used, he's either the absolute worst player in all of baseball over that time, or possibly only one of the 5 or 6 worst in all of baseball?
That's about what I thought.

 

It was meant as a pointless exercise to have fun with the fact that,  in a year where some hoped the Twins might contend for a playoff spot, we've sunk to the point where the strongest defense that can be mounted of an individual player at position that was supposed to be the team's strength is 'not the worst in baseball'.

 

Also,   remember that WAR isn't a definitive measure of value.   In the case of Santana,  for instance,  it gives him virtually no credit for the versatility that allows him to suck at so many positions.

 

It also doesn't credit him for his clubhouse intangibles,  like making himself available to assist other players in weight training by being curled,   pressed,  and so on.

 

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