Eddie Rosario's Gold Glove Chances

[Hrbowski]

Do you think that Eddie could challenge Alex Gordon for the Gold Glove? He has the best arm of any left fielder in the AL, and is slightly behind Gordon with the glove, so it seems like he has a realistic shot at it.

[jimmer]

 

Do you think that Eddie could challenge Alex Gordon for the Gold Glove? He has the best arm of any left fielder in the AL, and is slightly behind Gordon with the glove, so it seems like he has a realistic shot at it.

I think Gordon is a better outfielder and I'm not sure how you can say with certainty Rosario has the best arm of any LF.  Do you have info to back that up?

 

Gordon may be hurt by all the time missed this year and even so, he has more time in LF than Rosario.

[Dantes929]

How do they decide this stuff?    Hrbeck had some of the finest defensive 1b seasons I have ever seen but never got one which makes me think it is more politics than performance.    Rosario has had a fantastic season throwing guys out which should count for something and is probably where the arm comment came from.  

I have been thinking all year that Gibson should get the GG for pitcher.    Very impressed with his athleticism.    HIs footwork and quick release on attempted bunts is fantastic.    He also covers 1st well and of course had that highlight  play earlier this year.    Again, I think he is as good as anyone out there but doubt he even gets consideration.

[nicksaviking]

Rosario does have a nice arm, but if we are measruing it based on his outfield assists, we have to take it with a grain of salt.  Many years, the guys with the most outfield assists are the ones with the weakest arms.  Teams know they can run on them so they do, and often.  The high number of assists stems from the high number of chances to make one.

 

Not that I think Rosario is one of these kind of guys, he's just inexperienced so the book likely wasn't out yet that you should not run on him.

 

 

[woolywoolhouse]

 

How do they decide this stuff?    Hrbeck had some of the finest defensive 1b seasons I have ever seen but never got one which makes me think it is more politics than performance.    

 

 

MLB Managers and coaches vote (but cannot vote for their own players.) Also- and this part is news to me, and I'm getting this from Wikipedia- "Additionally, a sabermetric component provided by Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) accounts for approximately 25 percent of the vote."

 

 

[Shane Wahl]

 

How do they decide this stuff?    Hrbeck had some of the finest defensive 1b seasons I have ever seen but never got one which makes me think it is more politics than performance.    Rosario has had a fantastic season throwing guys out which should count for something and is probably where the arm comment came from.  

I have been thinking all year that Gibson should get the GG for pitcher.    Very impressed with his athleticism.    HIs footwork and quick release on attempted bunts is fantastic.    He also covers 1st well and of course had that highlight  play earlier this year.    Again, I think he is as good as anyone out there but doubt he even gets consideration.

 

Hrbek? Ah, no.

[Hrbowski]

 

I think Gordon is a better outfielder and I'm not sure how you can say with certainty Rosario has the best arm of any LF.  Do you have info to back that up?

 

Gordon may be hurt by all the time missed this year and even so, he has more time in LF than Rosario.

According to FanGraphs he has the 2nd best arm for left fielders in all of baseball, with Yoenis Cespedes having a better arm, but he has split the season between the two leagues, plus he passes the eye test of having the best arm of any current AL left fielder, giving me two reasons for making that statement.

[jimmer]

 

According to FanGraphs he has the 2nd best arm for left fielders in all of baseball, with Yoenis Cespedes having a better arm, but he has split the season between the two leagues

good info, thank you. thou, I think maybe a brush up on what the ARM stat tries to tell us is in order.

 

'ARM (outfield arm runs): Outfielder’s get credit (plus or minus) depending on what the runners do on a hit or a fly ball out. A runner can stay put, advance, or get thrown out. A fielder will get credit not only if he throws out more than his share of runners, but also if he keeps more than his share of runners from advancing extra bases.'

 

Not sure it really means his arm is the strongest.  That number is heavily influenced by outfield assists, which isn't really a stat that tells us about the strength of an OF arm.  I hope his number stays strong as the league gets the book and studies the book on him.

 

I'm not saying his arm isn't awesome.  I just want to see more than like 70 games before saying best in the AL.

[Jham]

 

good info, thank you. thou, I think maybe a brush up on what the ARM stat tries to tell us is in order.

 

'ARM (outfield arm runs): Outfielder’s get credit (plus or minus) depending on what the runners do on a hit or a fly ball out. A runner can stay put, advance, or get thrown out. A fielder will get credit not only if he throws out more than his share of runners, but also if he keeps more than his share of runners from advancing extra bases.'

 

Not sure it really means his arm is the strongest.  That number is heavily influenced by outfield assists, which isn't really a stat that tells us about the strength of an OF arm.  I hope his number stays strong as the league gets the book and studies the book on him.

 

I'm not saying his arm isn't awesome.  I just want to see more than like 70 games before saying best in the AL.

 

Right, accuracy matters.  Ask Roberto Kelly.

[Pius Jefferson]

Rosario in fewer games beats Gordon in DWAR 0.8 to 0.1. The range factor is the same, throwing arms are also similar. 

 

It looks like a pretty weak season due to games missed by the better leftfielders and below average play for guys who have played most of the season.

[jimmer]

For players who played at least 550 innings in LF, Rosario actually has the best range of all of them.

[stringer bell]

Rosario has had a fine year in the outfield. He has played a lot of right field as well as left, so his total number of games in left is pretty low--only 65 coming into today. That he is a rookie and didn't play the whole season most likely dooms his candidacy, but I think he's been very good.

[DocBauer]

Rosario has had a fine year in the outfield. He has played a lot of right field as well as left, so his total number of games in left is pretty low--only 65 coming into today. That he is a rookie and didn't play the whole season most likely dooms his candidacy, but I think he's been very good.

Yep.

 

Been a hopeful fan, love watching him play, love his potential, but felt he burned his 2014 season and chances for 2015 other than as a late season option. Boy has he proved me wrong!

 

I don't believe the Gold Glove or Silver Slugger awards are as arbitrary as say an All Star appearance. But these awards, even with merit, are still dependent on things such as production and reputation. Rosario, with very little exception, has been nothing but good to excellent defensively thus far. But he doesn't have the rep yet. And despite a 3/4 season that is/should be a quad double in doubles/triples/homers/SB with outstanding defense and a boatload of assists, he hasn't had the big season to garner attention.

 

So not now. Not yet.

 

But I have to disagree with Nick on this one. I don't believe weak-armed guys get a lot of assists because people run on them. I believe it's guys that haven't received the rep yet than get run on...and thus often get assists. Then comes the rep. Then, often but not always, the assists will begin to drop as the rep grows.

[PseudoSABR]

Reputation seems like the key ingredient, which Rosario doesn't have--yet.

[Shaitan]

I think they give 3 general OF awards, not individual CF, LF, and RF. They used to do by position, back when Hunter was a Twin the first time. I feel like it changed shortly after he went to Anaheim.

 

[jimmer]

 

I think they give 3 general OF awards, not individual CF, LF, and RF. They used to do by position, back when Hunter was a Twin the first time. I feel like it changed shortly after he went to Anaheim.

Nope, that's not true. You have it backwards. It's by position now and it's been that way since 2011.  From the early 1960s to 2010, they picked 3 OF regardless of position. I also seem to remember they picked 4 OF one year in the mid 80s for the NL side.

[Dantes929]

 

Reputation seems like the key ingredient, which Rosario doesn't have--yet.

    According to   quotes above by different people Rosario has a better arm, better range, better DWAR, and while I think Gordon is terrific the eye test also tells me Rosario has been terrific as well.     I have seen little of Gordon this year but saw a boneheaded play by him tonight trying to throw out Buxton allowing Dozier to go to second  which was important at the time.    

Here's the problem I have with GG.   it doesn't matter if Rosario is better this year.   There is no chance he wins over Gordon.  

[Dantes929]

 

Hrbek? Ah, no.

Ah, yeah.    He wasn't always out of shape and even when he was heavy he was very agile around first, did the over the shoulder catch as well as anyone and saved Gagne from countless errors.    Short memory if you just think of him as the tub of lard that took out turf in the Legends game.    He was a Great first baseman several of those years.    .  

[jimmer]

Maybe next year when/if Rosario plays a full season at an OF spot, he'll be worthy of and get a gold glove. Not that gold gloves mean much.

[ashbury]

Ah, yeah.    He wasn't always out of shape and even when he was heavy he was very agile around first, did the over the shoulder catch as well as anyone and saved Gagne from countless errors.    Short memory if you just think of him as the tub of lard that took out turf in the Legends game.    He was a Great first baseman several of those years.    .  

I loved watching him screw around during fielding practice, taking grounders at short like he was serious about it.

[Reider]

I haven't been this impressed in an outfielders arm since I watched Jason Repko gun out guys at 3rd base from right field. Rosario has gunned out multiple base runners at multiple bases from multiple outfield positions. The guy may not be able to throw 100mph, but he sure seems to have pin point accuracy. He's gunned so many players out this year, you could probably make a nice highlight reel of his throws alone.

 

He's definitely one of the better outfielders in the league and in terms of throwing people out from the outfield, he is one of the best, if not the best. It takes a lot to impress me and his highlight reel is mindblowing. I'm very impressed with his throwing accuracy.

[DaveW]

nah, it will go to Gordon, and unfortunately for him he might be overshadowed by two guys on his own team as things progress (Buxton and Hicks)

[DaveW]

I haven't been this impressed in an outfielders arm since I watched Jason Repko gun out guys at 3rd base from right field. Rosario has gunned out multiple base runners at multiple bases from multiple outfield positions. The guy may not be able to throw 100mph, but he sure seems to have pin point accuracy. He's gunned so many players out this year, you could probably make a nice highlight reel of his throws alone.

 

He's definitely one of the better outfielders in the league and in terms of throwing people out from the outfield, he is one of the best, if not the best. It takes a lot to impress me and his highlight reel is mindblowing. I'm very impressed with his throwing accuracy.

so are you impressed or not?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Reputation seems like the key ingredient, which Rosario doesn't have--yet.

 

Agreed.

[sane]

"Reputation seems like the key ingredient, which Rosario doesn't have--yet"

 

Absolutely true!!

And the #2 key ingredient is OFFENSIVE performance.

That SHOULD NOT be factored into Gold Glove voting, BUT it is.

[Ben Noble]

 

He's gunned so many players out this year, you could probably make a nice highlight reel of his throws alone.

 

https://youtu.be/ojMxPEiJvb8