Pelfrey needs a big start

[jorgenswest]

I think Pelfrey needs a big start tonight. If he has another short start, he needs to go to the pen. The Twins need to win games and not worry about preserving his marginal trade value.

 

I think he will step up tonight. If not, May needs to take his spot after the break.

[twinsnorth49]

If Pelf has another short start tonight I'm not sure what else TR or Mollie need to see. They can't afford to take things for granted.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I didn't get to see his start but the box line looks pretty good.

[TheLeviathan]

He had a nice start - bad bullpen hurt the bottom line.

[stringer bell]

Not the first time, but Molitor feels forced to go with the starters late because of his lack of bullpen options. Pelfrey gave up three well-hit balls in the eighth, not unlike the start he made (and lost) the White Sox.

[drjim]

 

Not the first time, but Molitor feels forced to go with the starters late because of his lack of bullpen options. Pelfrey gave up three well-hit balls in the eighth, not unlike the start he made (and lost) the White Sox.

 

Absolutely. Would have been nice to have a reliable lefty to start the 8th, or a reliable righty to face Kinsler.

[stringer bell]

I think Pelfrey extended his stay in the rotation with the pretty good outing against a good-hitting team. The bullpen has issues and needs help. Pelf hasn't been able to rise to the occasion late when trying to get the extra out. Not blaming him totally, but he shouldn't be in that situation again.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I think Pelfrey extended his stay in the rotation with the pretty good outing against a good-hitting team. The bullpen has issues and needs help. Pelf hasn't been able to rise to the occasion late when trying to get the extra out. Not blaming him totally, but he shouldn't be in that situation again.

I don't fault a guy for starting to struggle in the eighth inning. That's when the bullpen should step into the game and shut it down. That's their job.

[Mike Sixel]

He gave up 4 runs.......that's.....mediocre. He was in the game, you can't say "it wouldn't have happened if.....". It did happen.

 

that said, FREE TREVOR MAY....if he's in the pen, he should be in there for the 8th, imo.

 

[jimmer]

Pelfrey shouldn't have been brought out for the 8th inning.  That was a mistake.

[SwainZag]

 

He gave up 4 runs.......that's.....mediocre. He was in the game, you can't say "it wouldn't have happened if.....". It did happen.

 

that said, FREE TREVOR MAY....if he's in the pen, he should be in there for the 8th, imo.

 

I thought it was pretty good start from Pelfrey.  He should have never been out there in the 8th inning, and really should have never been in there to face Gose.  Leadoff single, O'Rourke should have come in to face the lefty.  He really, really shouldn't have been left in after Gose squared one up on him either.  I will take 7 innings and 2 ER ball from Pelfrey anyday.  The offensive let them team down in this one.  They had Price on the ropes in the first 3 innings and failed to come away with anything.  

[Mike Sixel]

Except he did pitch the 8th.......

 

that's like saying "Mauer hit a double in the first, I'll take that anytime, even if he did strikeout the next 5 ABS".

[DaveW]

Pelf earned himself anoth start or two. He wasn't the reason the twins lost, that's for sure.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

He gave up 4 runs.......that's.....mediocre.

He should have given up three runs. If the bullpen is called upon to get a single out with a runner on second, it's their job to execute that task.

 

As we've seen far too often in the past month, the Twins offense and bullpen failed to come through with a win after the starter did his job.

 

Whether Pelfrey should have been out there for the eighth or not, if a guy pitches 7 2/3 innings and allows three runs, the team should win that game.

[jimmer]

 

He should have given up three runs. If the bullpen is called upon to get a single guy out with a runner on second, it's their job to execute that task.

 

As we've seen far too often in the past month, the Twins offense and bullpen failed to come through with a win after the starter did their job.

 

Whether Pelfrey should have been out there for the eighth or not, if a guy pitches 7 2/3 innings and allows three runs, the team should win that game.

Putting Pelfrey out there in the 8th was something Gardy would do.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Putting Pelfrey out there in the 8th was something Gardy would do.

I'm finishing up the game now and while I wouldn't have called Pelfrey out there for the eighth, I understand Molitor's reluctance to go to the (shoddy) pen.

 

With that said, I will never understand why he called upon Boyer in that situation.

 

Either way, can't pin this one on Pelfrey. He did his job.

[drjim]

Except he did pitch the 8th.......

 

that's like saying "Mauer hit a double in the first, I'll take that anytime, even if he did strikeout the next 5 ABS".

Not at all comparable.

[Mike Sixel]

 

He should have given up three runs. If the bullpen is called upon to get a single out with a runner on second, it's their job to execute that task.

 

As we've seen far too often in the past month, the Twins offense and bullpen failed to come through with a win after the starter did his job.

 

Whether Pelfrey should have been out there for the eighth or not, if a guy pitches 7 2/3 innings and allows three runs, the team should win that game.

 

Should have? He gave up 4. Are we not going to count lucky hits anymore, or lucky outs?

 

I do agree, the bullpen (or the manager's confidence/choices) needs to change.....

[Mike Sixel]

 

Not at all comparable.

 

What's the difference?

[jorgenswest]

Pelfrey matched Price through 7. Very good start from Pelfrey.

[drjim]

 

What's the difference?

 

Pushing a guy beyond reasonable expectation vs. someone performing once and taking the rest of the game off? Sure, no difference.

[Rosterman]

Use Trevor May for those cheap win pickups, if you can. And there is no need to push your pitchers if you have a fine bullpen. Wait, the Twins don't have a fine bullpen.

 

[HitInAPinch]

In his last 5 starts, Pelfrey tossed a total of 23.4 innings.  So he should have been well rested. 

In the 7, he was still pitching well. 

He ended up throwing 110 pitches, so I'm guessing he was under 100 at the end of the 7th. 

 

Hindsight is a great thing, but as it stands, I don't see any reason to take him out.

Other than, Pelfrey being Pelfrey  

The lose is on him and no one else.

[LimestoneBaggy]

 

In his last 5 starts, Pelfrey tossed a total of 23.4 innings.  So he should have been well rested. 

In the 7, he was still pitching well. 

He ended up throwing 110 pitches, so I'm guessing he was under 100 at the end of the 7th. 

 

Hindsight is a great thing, but as it stands, I don't see any reason to take him out.

Other than, Pelfrey being Pelfrey

The lose is on him and no one else.

 

I think if you asked Molitor about that, he'd want a mulligan...

[drjim]

 

In his last 5 starts, Pelfrey tossed a total of 23.4 innings.  So he should have been well rested. 

In the 7, he was still pitching well. 

He ended up throwing 110 pitches, so I'm guessing he was under 100 at the end of the 7th. 

 

Hindsight is a great thing, but as it stands, I don't see any reason to take him out.

Other than, Pelfrey being Pelfrey

The lose is on him and no one else.

 

I put the loss on scoring 2 runs.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Should have? He gave up 4. Are we not going to count lucky hits anymore, or lucky outs?

 

I do agree, the bullpen (or the manager's confidence/choices) needs to change.....

He didn't give up four runs. He left the game with three runs on the board and the fourth run was entirely preventable.

 

So an arbitrary statistics says he gave up four runs. That doesn't matter to me and it shows the weakness of the ERA stat in extremely small sample sizes, not any weakness of Pelfrey's start (and it shows how utterly useless bullpen ERA can be, actually).

 

It's not like Mike left the game with the bases juiced and no outs. He left the game with a runner on second base and two outs. That's when the bullpen needs to step up and close out the inning by getting one. stinkin'. out.

 

It wasn't a lucky hit. It wasn't a fielding miscue. Boyer got in there and let a guy lace a double against him because Blaine Boyer is not a very good pitcher. I can't blame Mike Pelfrey for Blaine Boyer being bad at baseball.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I put the loss on scoring 2 runs.

 

this we agree on for sure......

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

I think Pelfrey's start was fine, he got knocked around a bit in the end, but the "loss" was more about Price continuing his ownership of the Twins' bats. The team had several chances to score runs early, and Price just happens to be better than the rest of the starting pitchers in either dugout.   

 

Price earned the win for his great pitching performance more than Pelfrey deserved a loss for his adequate start.

 

That being said, the bullpen is the bigger concern, and maybe Pelfrey in the pen and May in the rotation makes the team better?

[Brock Beauchamp]

When you get right down to it, what grates on me the most about that game is Molitor's management of it.

 

The score is 3-2 and maybe should be 2-2 because Pelfrey should have been pulled after seven.

 

Whatever, so it's 3-2 and you have six outs to score one run. That's manageable. A guy is on second base. A walk doesn't matter. All you need to do is get one out and if you can avoid putting the ball in play, the chances of getting that out go higher.

 

So Molitor calls on the guy who puts the ball in play more than anybody else on the team. A guy who hasn't been very good recently. He doesn't call on May, Fien, or even Graham. Instead, he calls on the right-handed reliever who is most ill-equipped to get out of that inning without allowing a run.

 

I like Molitor. I like a lot of what he's done but that's some pretty shoddy management right there.

[USAFChief]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. ..lose late with a reliever, it's on the reliever. Lose late with a starter, it's on the manager.

 

I'll give Molitor a small bit of slack here...none of us want the to see the bullpen in a close game, I'm sure he doesn't either. But you can't let your starter lose the game in the 8th. You just cant.