2016 Election Thread

[Squirrel]

 

Fla primary next Tuesday; Rubio is desperate.

yeah ... Illinois, too ... wonder what the ads are like there ... I'll soon find out ...

[Mike Sixel]

I am beginning to think trump could win it all......might have to buy a bunker, and learn how to hunt.

[twinsnorth49]

I am beginning to think trump could win it all......might have to buy a bunker, and learn how to hunt.

My masonry course is progressing well, hopefully I'll be apprenticing before your election. .

[Craig Arko]

My masonry course is progressing well, hopefully I'll be apprenticing before your election. .

Are you a free mason, or an expensive one?

[ashbury]

It's Rubio's last chance and probably establishment last opportunity to stop Trump. If Rubio can't win his home state, he is finished, perhaps for good.

Rubio is young, and politicians have nine lives anyway. Tricky Dick was finished in 1962 and of course he was elected President in 1968. "For good" is an awfully awfully long time.

[twinsnorth49]

 

Are you a free mason, or an expensive one?

The result of your election will be the determining factor in answering that question.

[DaveW]

My issue with Bernie is that he is the 2nd most partisan person in the entire senate, he is even more partisan then Crazy Cruz (who is third most)

 

You need a president who can work with both parties, Bernie can barely even work with his own party.

[Mike Sixel]

 

My issue with Bernie is that he is the 2nd most partisan person in the entire senate, he is even more partisan then Crazy Cruz (who is third most)

You need a president who can work with both parties, Bernie can barely even work with his own party.

 

That is a problem.....

[ashbury]

My issue with Bernie is that he is the 2nd most partisan person in the entire senate, he is even more partisan then Crazy Cruz (who is third most)

Huh. I would have thought that the constantly wagging finger would endear him to his senate colleagues.

[stringer bell]

 

Rubio is young, and politicians have nine lives anyway. Tricky Dick was finished in 1962 and of course he was elected President in 1968. "For good" is an awfully awfully long time.

I am thinking "the man who couldn't stop Donald Trump" would never be seriously considered again. As someone who has despised what the modern Republican party has become, I feared Rubio the most. He is young, has a nice background story, is pretty good on the stump, but in the end "there's no there there" as far as a base and the fire in his belly. He's climbed the steps in his party but has left no visible footprint.

[Squirrel]

My issue with Bernie is that he is the 2nd most partisan person in the entire senate, he is even more partisan then Crazy Cruz (who is third most)

 

You need a president who can work with both parties, Bernie can barely even work with his own party.

Bernie has NEVER been a Democrat until he decided to run for president. Period. He's caucuses with the Dems because he is closer to them than the Republicans but he has eschewed the parties in the past but now wants support from one of them.

[PseudoSABR]

I hate party loyalty conversations.  

[Craig Arko]

I hate party loyalty conversations.

 

Ask not what your party can do to you. Ask what you can do to your party.

[nicksaviking]

My issue with Bernie is that he is the 2nd most partisan person in the entire senate, he is even more partisan then Crazy Cruz (who is third most)

You need a president who can work with both parties, Bernie can barely even work with his own party.

I agree with many of Bernie's ideas, but I've been critical of the pride conservatives lately take in "stubbornness" and being "uncompromising", I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't recognize these same negative attributes in a guy I like.

[DaveW]

Bernie has NEVER been a Democrat until he decided to run for president. Period. He's caucuses with the Dems because he is closer to them than the Republicans but he has eschewed the parties in the past but now wants support from one of them.

regardless, he has accomplished zero in the senate and remains the 2nd most partisan senator. In reality he is a pretty poor politician overall, all speak, no action..

[glunn]

 

regardless, he has accomplished zero in the senate and remains the 2nd most partisan senator. In reality he is a pretty poor politician overall, all speak, no action..

I served on the local school board for four years.  The reality was that good ideas get squashed when a majority of a legislative body is more concerned about re-election than doing what is best for their constituents.  

[TheLeviathan]

Well, we've predictably started the descent into madness.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Ted Cruz taking 75% of the votes in Wyoming right now. Wow. Just wow.

[PseudoSABR]

Watching a Trump-rally/protest now in Kansas City, and Trump calls for protesters to be arrested, and to be branded with an arrest-mark, so it ruins their lives.

 

One of these days he should pick up the Constitution and give it a once over. 

[Squirrel]

From what I could read about the protests in Chicago, the protesters' intentions were not peaceful. I've participated in protests because voicing opposition is important. But I think your message loses credibility when you resort to violence. Whenever protesters I was along side took this route, I left. That is not the way about it. As abhorrent as I think Trump is, does he not have the same right to speak?

[PseudoSABR]

 

From what I could read about the protests in Chicago, the protesters' intentions were not peaceful. I've participated in protests because voicing opposition is important. But I think your message loses credibility when you resort to violence. Whenever protesters I was along side took this route, I left. That is not the way about it. As abhorrent as I think Trump is, does he not have the same right to speak?

I abhor violence, and Trump has a right to speak, but the hatefulness of that speech is laying the groundwork for actual violence, whether its at the hands of protesters or his supporters. 

[Squirrel]

I abhor violence, and Trump has a right to speak, but the hatefulness of that speech is laying the groundwork for actual violence, whether its at the hands of protesters or his supporters.

 

I don't disagree with Trump's responsibility in this and I am sickened by the things he says. But responding with violence isn't the answer either. Violence only begets more violence. Maybe the answer is to not continue to give him play and/or acknowledgement. Maybe protester violence just fuels him and his supporters more. And in Chicago it's not good that the protesters were chanting 'Bernie' while inciting.

[PseudoSABR]

I think we all agree violence isn't the answer.  Not all protesters are cut form the same cloth; I honestly don't know the level of violence committed by either side, but I do know what Trump is saying and doing as a result.   

[glunn]

I believe that NON-violent protest is the way to handle this.  

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I think this goes back to the question of being heard. Perhaps the protesters aren't acting perfectly rationally but they probably feel they do not have a voice and thus have a calculation to make. The BLM movement here has struggled with the same questions. They ask if they will get noticed by standing on a street corner in north Minneapolis with sign boards? Or get noticed by sitting on the interstate and blocking traffic? Or will they get noticed by disrupting the Twin Cities Marathon? I think fortunately BLM did not follow through with that last one. Certainly Trump's violent speech and incitement came prior to the protesters' reaction to that speech.

[nicksaviking]

Let's not pretend that violent protesters isn't EXACTLY what Trump wants.

 

Not that the protesters should be excused, in fact they should held accountable not only for the inexcusable violence, but also for lacking self-control and helping a madman's diabolical scheme.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Let's not pretend that violent protesters isn't EXACTLY what Trump wants.

Not that the protesters should be excused, in fact they should held accountable not only for the inexcusable violence, but also for lacking self-control and helping a madman's diabolical scheme.

You may be right. Protesters may actually be aiding Trump's cause, whatever it is. However I wonder if any individual protester who acts out knows exactly what he's getting into. In other words, "I know I'm going to be arrested, but I'm jumping this barrier anyway." It's the Trump folks who probably feel they need not be held accountable for their own violence.

 

God I can't believe we are even talking about this.

[Craig Arko]

Some of this sounds awfully familiar. I was a kid in 1968, but still remember quite a bit.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace_presidential_campaign,_1968

[Squirrel]

Let's not pretend that violent protesters isn't EXACTLY what Trump wants.

Not that the protesters should be excused, in fact they should held accountable not only for the inexcusable violence, but also for lacking self-control and helping a madman's diabolical scheme.

Exactly. Watching last night during the KC rally and he was playing it up and mugging it up for the cameras. It's adding fuel to the fire. The problem is the media and what it chooses to cover. Shame on them for giving air time to Trump and not BLM.

[Squirrel]

You may be right. Protesters may actually be aiding Trump's cause, whatever it is. However I wonder if any individual protester who acts out knows exactly what he's getting into. In other words, "I know I'm going to be arrested, but I'm jumping this barrier anyway." It's the Trump folks who probably feel they need not be held accountable for their own violence.

God I can't believe we are even talking about this.

The most recent protests I was involved with was opposition to the Iraq war and I can tell you that the people that ended up getting arrested knew exactly what would happen, how and why. When it reached that how and why point was when I went home.

 

Brock was right a dozen pages or more ago. Don't acknowledge 'He Who Must Not Be Named,' don't give him press, don't give him any breath.