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    Will Pohlad Family Cut Minnesota Twins Payroll Another $30 Million in 2026? Dan Hayes Thinks So

    On an appearance on the YouTube show "Foul Territory" last week, The Athletic's Twins beat writer speculated that the club's payroll could dive all the way to $100 million by Opening Day 2026.

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    In the wake of the team's aggressive moves at the trade deadline and the subsequent announcement that the Pohlad family will retain control of the franchise, Twins fans have spent much of the last three weeks wondering whether the team will enjoy more investment from ownership over the next few years. On the contrary, when he appeared on the YouTube show "Foul Territory" on August 14, The Athletic beat writer Dan Hayes speculated that payroll will shrink in 2026—perhaps by $30 million or more.

    It's too early to assume this is an accurate projection; that's why Hayes himself has yet to write a story around that forecast. It will be at least mid-October before the team settles on its budget for 2026, and even then, we saw more money shake loose for the team late last offseason. Teams don't make final decisions about how to allocate resources for the coming offseason in August; Hayes's reporting is strictly based on background chatter and his own assessment of the team's payroll as it projects right now.

    We can already begin to do that assessment ourselves, though, and it's not terribly hard to see what Hayes is seeing—especially if one assumes, as is always wise, that he's plugged in as well as is possible to the team's thinking at this early stage of turning toward next year. Let's take a look at the current payroll picture, to understand what it means when Hayes speculates such a slashing of spending this winter.

    Locked-in Money
    It makes sense to start with the player who isn't going anywhere, and the monetary obligation that can't be traded. The former is Byron Buxton, who continues to profess his love of playing for the Twins and who has a no-trade clause. The $15 million he'll make in 2026 is a non-negotiable cornerstone of the payroll, just as he's the cornerstone of the team.

    The other cornerstone was supposed to be Carlos Correa, of course, but he went to Houston via trade on July 31. In the process, the Twins agreed to pay the Astros $10 million per year from 2026 through 2028. (In case you're wondering, trading obligations like those in other, later deals is not allowed.) That brings us quickly to $25 million, and there are still 25 Opening Day roster spots to fill. Let's talk, then, about the guys who will soak up the majority of the remaining money—unless they're sent packing.

    Big But Movable
    Unlike Buxton, Pablo López doesn't have a no-trade clause in the extension he signed with the team in 2023. He's set to make $21.5 million in 2026, but it's not at all clear that the Twins will be the ones paying that. López is a great pitcher and an even better presence in the clubhouse, but for those very reasons, he'll also have terrific trade value this winter. For the moment, stack him with Buxton and the ghost of Correa and we're up to $46.5 million, but it wouldn't be surprising at all if he's dealt.

    Two players are in line to receive smaller but substantial salaries via the arbitration process this winter, too. Ryan Jeffers will be arbitration-eligible for the final time before becoming a free agent at the end of the 2026 season, and is already making $4.55 million this year. Expect that number to be around $7.5 million next year. Joe Ryan could make just as much, despite only being in his second year of arbitration eligibility; being one year further from free agency; and making just $3 million this year. His All-Star season and career-best run of health and reliability will send that number skyward.

    Both Ryan and Jeffers are good candidates for contract extensions, but at this moment, it's hard to guess whether the Twins see themselves as being in position to offer them those deals. Certainly, the deadline fire sale did little to engender any interest in such a commitment from the players' side. Right now, let's call this group $36.5 million in projected salary—but write it in pencil, instead of pen.

    Stalled-Out Players in Arbitration Phase
    Ryan and Jeffers have had strong years, and Jeffers is at a stage of the arbitration cycle where players get more earning power almost by default. Thus, they're likely to get the hefty raises we just described. On the other hand, Bailey Ober ($3.55 million), Trevor Larnach ($2.1 million) and Royce Lewis ($1.625 million) are all having inconsistent, even discouraging seasons after their first trips through arbitration. None of them will get to what Jeffers and Ryan will make next year.

    Ober has been the best of that set and has the highest platform salary, so it's possible he'll make $7 million. Some of that, like everything else we're talking about here, depends on how the final six weeks of the season go. Larnach could be in line to make as much as $5 million, but if the Twins project him to earn that much, he's likely to be non-tendered. A better estimate might be $4.5 million. Lewis should get to the north side of $3 million, but his season has been a disaster and he has less earning power than Larnach right now.

    We'll use that same pencil, again, to write in $15.5 million for these three. Along with the bundles above, we're up to $77 million already. But now, we get to the part where the team racks up some savings.

    Locked in at the League Minimum
    Several players whom the team seems almost certain to retain won't be eligible for arbitration even next year. Each of them represents a roster spot for which the club will only pay roughly $800,000 over the full season. In rough order of clear utility and security as parts of the team's future, those guys are:

    That's a vital sextet for the team, and it'll cost only $4.8 million. Though their places are not quite as established or secure, another handful of players in the same bracket can also be penciled in, averaging that same $800,000 per person.

    This is half a roster (although not a very good one) making a total of just $10.4 million. If we discount the possibility of non-tendering Larnach or trading any of the López-Jeffers-Ryan class, for now, we're at 20 roster spots accounted for and $87.4 million. There are just a few more cases to consider, before we start imagining all of this in a more concrete way.

    Low-Dollar Arb Dudes
    We're putting them last, but almost no one has a safer roster spot for next year than this small group of guys who have almost no earning power and have played major roles on the 2025 team. Kody Clemens is almost a lock to get over the line and be eligible for arbitration as a Super Two guy. Cole Sands will have more than three years of service time, so he's automatically eligible, and Justin Topa will be eligible for the final time before becoming a free agent. Even before the fire sale, these guys had roles on the big-league team, but Clemens has been the starting first baseman for weeks now and Topa and Sands are the aces of this war-torn bullpen.

    Multiple Twins have pointed to Clemens as one of the best teammates in the whole clubhouse. Though he's not an elite slugger, he's more than worth the paltry $1.3 million he might make next year. Ditto for Sands and Topa. As a group, these three might get to $5 million, or they might not even make it that far. It would be a mild shock to see the team non-tender any of them, although they'll probably draw a hard line with each and keep them only if they can get a deal done before arbitration figures need to be exchanged.

    What's Left to Do, and What's Left to Do It With
    We're over $92 million now, and the team we're sketching is not a good one. There are just a few roster spots left to fill, but trades or non-tenders could create another four or five such spots. It sure seems like, even if the Twins have only $100 million or $110 million to spend on 2026, they have money to spend in free agency. The question is how much—and whether those free agents will be tasked with replacing more outgoing guys, or with filling the gaps left by last month's trades (bullpen depth, the back end of the rotation, the outfield) and by expected free-agent departures (backup catcher).

    Twins fans are right to demand real upgrades, rather than such patches. The team has several great prospects in the upper levels of the minors who should make their debuts next year, but they also have several players penciled into major roles who were great prospects a few years ago and now look like parts of the problem, rather than the solution. If Hayes is correct in his speculation, though, no such influx of high-end talent is forthcoming. The Twins can run a payroll around $30 million lower than this year's even if they keep López, Ryan and Jeffers, but in that case, they're likely to be back in the same place next July, and perhaps those three would be traded then. For the club to move forward and have a more successful 2026, it seems as though they'll need to either match (or increase) spending or make savvy trades of at least one of that high-earning trio. Since Hayes's ballpark figure makes the former feel unlikely, the latter possibility will continue to be a hot topic as the offseason comes into view on the horizon.

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    37 minutes ago, farmerguychris said:

    I can't see this happening - too optimistic for me when it comes to the Pohlads.

    While I think you're right that they'll move on from Lopez and Ryan - I can't see them giving $7M to Ober when he's been hurt and we have so much CHEAP young pitching supposedly ready to go.  Abel?

    I also can't possibly imagine they pay 2 relievers $5M each!  They've never invested in relief pitching - I expect 2 more min salary guys here.

    Lastly - They are certainly not going to pay $6M for a backup catcher.  I think we'll be lucky to keep Jeffers around, his back-up will certainly be a min salary guy.

    Other than that - I think you're pretty close.  Using most of your figures and swapping out my thoughts above - my payroll prediction would be around $56,742,857

    Not sure how low we need to go before MLB steps in and tells the owners they need to spend money (like they did with the A's), but I expect they'll try to find out.

    The point was meant to be that payroll would be low even if they were willing to invest in a couple RPs.  I could see them investing in the BP because they will most likely transition SPs to RPs and that takes times.  Plus RPs are always good trade capital at the deadline.

    The $6M catcher again reflects a max spend.  They will want someone good to handle a young staff.  I am also thinking they move Jeffers at the deadline if they have a reasonable replacement.

    They might very well trade all three established SPs but I could see them holding out until the deadline with one of them.  That gives them a little more time to ready the next up prospect for the big leagues.   It will probably be determined by the return offered.

    With all the above talk about when/if players arrive, does the likelihood of a shutdown in 2027 come into play?

    If players such as Jenkins, Culpepper, etc. come up during the 2026 season, they will be on strike/locked out in 2027?  Correct?  If they are not brought up, would they be playing at St. Paul in 2027?  Can't recall the last time, but there was minor league baseball during that shutdown.  Wasn't there?

    Baseball is changing.  Not sure I like some of it, but so be it I guess.

    If you think there might not be baseball in '27 (which I don't), and you think this team is 1-2 years from being good, then you trade Ryan and Lopez (and jettison Larnach however you can), and wait until '28 or '29......

    I have no idea why they'd keep the payroll up at all at this point.

    With ESPN taking over mlb.tv, there will be even less subscribers, IMO.

    Where is the money coming from to have a decent payroll? Why do we think they can compete next year? Do we think there is a full season in '27?

    4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    If you think there might not be baseball in '27 (which I don't), and you think this team is 1-2 years from being good, then you trade Ryan and Lopez (and jettison Larnach however you can), and wait until '28 or '29......

    I have no idea why they'd keep the payroll up at all at this point.

    With ESPN taking over mlb.tv, there will be even less subscribers, IMO.

    Where is the money coming from to have a decent payroll? Why do we think they can compete next year? Do we think there is a full season in '27?

    Debated Mike whether to give you a 'like' or the 'sad.'  Did the like but the situation with the Twins is just too bloody sad.  Especially for us old guys that don't have that many more seasons to enjoy.

    2 minutes ago, rdehring said:

    Debated Mike whether to give you a 'like' or the 'sad.'  Did the like but the situation with the Twins is just too bloody sad.  Especially for us old guys that don't have that many more seasons to enjoy.

    I mean, it makes me sad too! I'm 61, so likely have a few more years.....

    Regardless of the payroll, we do not have a front office that knows how to build a winner.  They can't develop position players, have had more luck with pitchers.  They don't know how to allocate the resources given to them efficiently, they paid Gallo $11m when no one else was offering him anything near that.

    Yes the Pohlads deserve everything coming to them but the biggest failing is not hiring a front office that is in alignment with their goals and build a team within the parameters given.  This is what other teams do like Milwaukee and Cleveland.  Hire someone with baseball experience that knows how to do develop a plan of what the roster should look like and develop the players accordingly and then hire a new manager.

    2 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

    A few of the players will be back but if the roster still contains most of the current group all hope for the franchise is lost. There must be a half dozen transactions to change the team dynamics. Slow, defensively challenged players who cannot hit don't need more experience. They need new uniforms. I expect major changes. That is my last hope.

    Jeffers yes, maybe add another C

    I could see them bringing back Clemens at 1B

    Keaschall, Lee, and Lewis...return. 

    Buxton, Wallner, and Kiersey return. Probably Outman and Fitzgerald as well.

    If they trade some combination of Lopez, Ober and Ryan, they will just move up pitchers they already have.

    The bullpen will likely see some adds, but they could just reset some of the AAA guys like Raya to a relief role.

    Larnach might get moved but again, I think there are options they will want to move up vs adding a vet, 

    59 minutes ago, farmerguychris said:

    From everything I've heard - Joe wants to win.  Problem is he only gets one vote, and the rest of the family really doesn't care about on-field performance much.

    I don't know if we've seen a single substantive action taken by Joe since the right-sizing that suggests a desire to win.  Unless you count open letters as a substantive action.

    Now, whether Joe is lying about wanting to win, or telling the truth but getting overruled by his uncles, or telling the truth but simply grossly incompetent, I don't know.  But I'm done listening to anything he or anyone else in ownership has to say. 

    Show me you want to win or shut up and enjoy pretending to be a grownup playing with grandpa's expensive toy.

    3 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

    Here is a projected payroll for next year.  Of course, we have to make some assumptions.  I come up with around $77M if they trade Pable and Ryan which I suspect they will.  Larnach is traded as well.  This also includes adding two RPs at a salary of $5M each.  Correa's $10M is included.

    There are a couple other assumptions here that don't mean much in terms of payroll.  Culpepper eventually takes over for Lee at SS moving Lee to a utility IF role.  The year starts with Fitzgerald in that utility role but it could be Eeles or they could sign a Wili Castro equivalent for a bench role.  Of course, the return for Ryan/Lopez has a good chance of containing pieces that fit in at some point in 2026.

    1 Bailey Ober 7,000,000
    2 Zebby Matthews 820,000
    3 Taj Bradley 820,000
    4 David Festa 820,000
    5 SWR 820,000
         
      Relief Pitchers  
    6 Cole Sands 820,000
    7 LH Free Agent  5,000,000
    8 RH Free Agent  5,000,000
    9 Michael Tonkin 1,750,000
    10 Justin Topa 1,750,000
    11 Travis Adams 820,000
    12 Andrew Morris 820,000
    13 Funderburk 820,000
         
         
      Catchers  
    14 Ryan Jeffers 6,500,000
    15 Cardenas  /  Trade  /  FA 6,000,000
         
      Infielders  
    1B Fedko / Julien / Sabato 820,000
    2B Luke Keaschall 820,000
    3B Royce Lewis 3,000,000
    SS Brooks Lee  >>> Kaelen Culpepper 820,000
         
      Utility Players  
    20 Kody Clemens  820,000
    21 Fitzgerald  >>>  Brooks Lee 820,000
    22 Kyler Fedko 820,000
    23 Wallner  >>> Gonzalez / Rosario 2,200,000
         
         
      Outfielders  
    24 Wallner  >>> Jenkins 820,000
    25 Byron Buxton  CF 15,142,857
    26 Roden  >>> Gonzalez or Erod 820,000
         
      Carlos Correa 10,000,000
         
      TOTAL PAYROLL    76,462,857

    I understand the 100M payroll prediction but I'm optimistic that there's no need to trade Lopez or Ryan to get there, or Ober for that matter. I get to a 100M payroll including the 10M to Correa without trading Ryan, Lopez, Ober, or Jeffers and giving the latter 3 the likely arb raises. The only person I trade is Larnach. I also bring in 1 FA Bullpen arm at 5M (or that can be two at 2.5M like Coloumbe and another) and 1 FA 1B/DH at 10M (or 3 and 12, just a total of 15). I also use two of Matthews/Festa/SWR/Bradley/Abel in the rotation and 1 in the bullpen.  I wind up with 15 (!) 820K minimum(ish) salaried players. 2 of the above 5 are in the rotation and 1 in the bullpen with the other 2 starting in AAA as depth, Sands, Funderburk, Adams, and Ohl are in the bullpen, Cardenas is the #2 C, Keaschall, Lee, two of Clemens, Julien, Fitzgerald and Eeles in the IF on the bench, or Culpepper if he's ready, and Wallner, Outman, Martin and one of Roden/Fedko/Gonzalez/etc. in the OF. Outman will be on the team - he is Buxton's backup and that's why they traded for him. So, I spend 77.5M on vets, 12.3 M on minimum salaried guys, and 10M on Correa and I'm at 99.8M. I actually think that this or something like it may be the plan. With that rotation and the right FA in the bullpen, we may have enough pitching to compete. The hard part will be scoring runs. Her's the roster:

    Rotation

    Lopez              21.5M

    Ryan                7.5M

    Ober                4.5M

    Matthews        820K

    Festa/SWR      820K

    Bullpen

    Sands              820K

    Tonkin             1.75M

    Topa                1.75M

    Funderburk     820K

    Adams             820K

    Ohl                  820K

    FA                   5M

    Festa/SWR      820K

    Catchers

    Jeffers             7.5M

    Cardenas         820K

    IF

    Keaschall        820K

    Lewis              3M

    Lee                  820K

    Clemens/Julien820k

    FA 1B/DH       10M

    Fitz/Eeles        820K

    OF

    Wallner           820K

    Buxton            15M

    Outman           820K

    Martin             820K

    Roden/Fedko  820K

     

    Correa             10M

    Total           99.8M     

    This looks like a rebuilding roster to me. Add another 10M to get a good closer and the pitching may be there. Add another 10M to get a good hitting OF and the lineup starts to look interesting. This is doable. 

    19 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    If you think there might not be baseball in '27 (which I don't), and you think this team is 1-2 years from being good, then you trade Ryan and Lopez (and jettison Larnach however you can), and wait until '28 or '29......

    I have no idea why they'd keep the payroll up at all at this point.

    With ESPN taking over mlb.tv, there will be even less subscribers, IMO.

    Where is the money coming from to have a decent payroll? Why do we think they can compete next year? Do we think there is a full season in '27?

    This team is not competing until it is sold. In it's current form, the Twins are back to the trade, develop, years of controllable years, trade cycle. 

    I can't see any way Larnach is on this roster next year. He's the definition of replacement level. They can get that from one of the non-Kiersey guys in the minors (or Outman / Roden). 

    4 hours ago, Doug Y said:

    If they trade Pablo Lopez and Joe Ryan, it’s a 3-4 year rebuild. The Pohlad’s are terrible owners, but don’t you think it’s about time for a salary floor and salary cap?

    The Twins aren't terrible for salary cap reasons. They're bad because of gross mismanagement. How does a salary cap change that? 

    There will not be a salary cap come 2028, and there shouldn't be a salary cap. Fans that clamor for one are just doing the billionaire owners job for them. 

    1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

    I can't see any way Larnach is on this roster next year. He's the definition of replacement level. They can get that from one of the non-Kiersey guys in the minors (or Outman / Roden). 

    It probably depends if they feel like they have someone to bring up. 

    3 hours ago, Woof Bronzer said:

    Does anyone seriously think they did what they did at the deadline for baseball reasons?

    Yes. 100%. 

    The only trade the Pohalds seemingly had ANY input on was Correa, and that makes sense because it required a significant financial commitment from the Twins going forward. This DOES NOT mean, like so many seem to speculate, that the trade was forced by the Pohlads. 

    3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    I can't see any way Larnach is on this roster next year. He's the definition of replacement level. They can get that from one of the non-Kiersey guys in the minors (or Outman / Roden). 

    IDK. This front office is obsessed with left handed hitting corner outfielders. We just traded for 2 more in Outman & Roden. It never ends.

    6 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

    I understand the 100M payroll prediction but I'm optimistic that there's no need to trade Lopez or Ryan to get there, or Ober for that matter. I get to a 100M payroll including the 10M to Correa without trading Ryan, Lopez, Ober, or Jeffers and giving the latter 3 the likely arb raises. The only person I trade is Larnach. I also bring in 1 FA Bullpen arm at 5M (or that can be two at 2.5M like Coloumbe and another) and 1 FA 1B/DH at 10M (or 3 and 12, just a total of 15). I also use two of Matthews/Festa/SWR/Bradley/Abel in the rotation and 1 in the bullpen.  I wind up with 15 (!) 820K minimum(ish) salaried players. 2 of the above 5 are in the rotation and 1 in the bullpen with the other 2 starting in AAA as depth, Sands, Funderburk, Adams, and Ohl are in the bullpen, Cardenas is the #2 C, Keaschall, Lee, two of Clemens, Julien, Fitzgerald and Eeles in the IF on the bench, or Culpepper if he's ready, and Wallner, Outman, Martin and one of Roden/Fedko/Gonzalez/etc. in the OF. Outman will be on the team - he is Buxton's backup and that's why they traded for him. So, I spend 77.5M on vets, 12.3 M on minimum salaried guys, and 10M on Correa and I'm at 99.8M. I actually think that this or something like it may be the plan. With that rotation and the right FA in the bullpen, we may have enough pitching to compete. The hard part will be scoring runs. Her's the roster:

    Rotation

    Lopez              21.5M

    Ryan                7.5M

    Ober                4.5M

    Matthews        820K

    Festa/SWR      820K

    Bullpen

    Sands              820K

    Tonkin             1.75M

    Topa                1.75M

    Funderburk     820K

    Adams             820K

    Ohl                  820K

    FA                   5M

    Festa/SWR      820K

    Catchers

    Jeffers             7.5M

    Cardenas         820K

    IF

    Keaschall        820K

    Lewis              3M

    Lee                  820K

    Clemens/Julien820k

    FA 1B/DH       10M

    Fitz/Eeles        820K

    OF

    Wallner           820K

    Buxton            15M

    Outman           820K

    Martin             820K

    Roden/Fedko  820K

     

    Correa             10M

    Total           99.8M     

    This looks like a rebuilding roster to me. Add another 10M to get a good closer and the pitching may be there. Add another 10M to get a good hitting OF and the lineup starts to look interesting. This is doable. 

    I can appreciate you trying to be optimistic, but that is not even close to a competitive bullpen.  It's basically what the bullpen is now (which is awful) plus a $5M fee agent and the hope a failed starter can reinvent themselves on the fly. And paying market rate for a closer is one of the most unreliable investments a team can make, especially a team on a budget.

    There's also one outfielder that has any business starting on a competitive team.

    This is why people are advocating moving the quality starters.  Legitimate contention just isn't realistic for the duration of their contracts.

    12 minutes ago, P Meyer said:

    It probably depends if they feel like they have someone to bring up. 

    Outman and Roden until they bring up a legit prospect or two......they aren't paying Larnach 4 million dollars to be bad. No way.

    32 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

    I understand the 100M payroll prediction but I'm optimistic that there's no need to trade Lopez or Ryan to get there, or Ober for that matter. I get to a 100M payroll including the 10M to Correa without trading Ryan, Lopez, Ober, or Jeffers and giving the latter 3 the likely arb raises. The only person I trade is Larnach. I also bring in 1 FA Bullpen arm at 5M (or that can be two at 2.5M like Coloumbe and another) and 1 FA 1B/DH at 10M (or 3 and 12, just a total of 15). I also use two of Matthews/Festa/SWR/Bradley/Abel in the rotation and 1 in the bullpen.  I wind up with 15 (!) 820K minimum(ish) salaried players. 2 of the above 5 are in the rotation and 1 in the bullpen with the other 2 starting in AAA as depth, Sands, Funderburk, Adams, and Ohl are in the bullpen, Cardenas is the #2 C, Keaschall, Lee, two of Clemens, Julien, Fitzgerald and Eeles in the IF on the bench, or Culpepper if he's ready, and Wallner, Outman, Martin and one of Roden/Fedko/Gonzalez/etc. in the OF. Outman will be on the team - he is Buxton's backup and that's why they traded for him. So, I spend 77.5M on vets, 12.3 M on minimum salaried guys, and 10M on Correa and I'm at 99.8M. I actually think that this or something like it may be the plan. With that rotation and the right FA in the bullpen, we may have enough pitching to compete. The hard part will be scoring runs. Her's the roster:

    Rotation

    Lopez              21.5M

    Ryan                7.5M

    Ober                4.5M

    Matthews        820K

    Festa/SWR      820K

    Bullpen

    Sands              820K

    Tonkin             1.75M

    Topa                1.75M

    Funderburk     820K

    Adams             820K

    Ohl                  820K

    FA                   5M

    Festa/SWR      820K

    Catchers

    Jeffers             7.5M

    Cardenas         820K

    IF

    Keaschall        820K

    Lewis              3M

    Lee                  820K

    Clemens/Julien820k

    FA 1B/DH       10M

    Fitz/Eeles        820K

    OF

    Wallner           820K

    Buxton            15M

    Outman           820K

    Martin             820K

    Roden/Fedko  820K

     

    Correa             10M

    Total           99.8M     

    This looks like a rebuilding roster to me. Add another 10M to get a good closer and the pitching may be there. Add another 10M to get a good hitting OF and the lineup starts to look interesting. This is doable. 

    I am not trying to get to a number.  Quite the opposite.  The goal should be to make moves that facilitate building a contender and the lower payroll is simply a product of that process.  You can keep Lopez and Ryan and win 75 games instead of 67-70 games but in the process you give up acquiring prospects that could eventually be critical in building a 90 win or a 95 win team.

    4 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

    I got lost in the $$ spent:

    Buxton $15M ……. Lopez $21.5M…….Ryan & Jeffers at $7.5M each = $51.5M

    Lewis - Ober - Larnach at $15M max. = $66.5M

    Topa - Sands -Clemens at $5M total

    16other guys at $800K is a total of $12.8M = $85M.

    Maybe I’m missing something - a guy? Maybe you too have the same total - I didn’t see how to get there? 

    My hope is they spend up to $125M and the team is filled out with a couple PEN helpers and a couple hitters, one being a Catcher…….maybe 2 Catchers if Jeffers can play 1B and be 3rd Catcher(optimal to me).

    Do we think new partners threw in $400M to be bad and not generate positive ROI?…….$125M ……maybe as low as $115M. They spent $154M in ‘23.

    Buxton $15M ……. Lopez $21.5M…….Ryan & Jeffers at $7.5M each = $51.5M. That actually equals $59M

    15 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    but in the process you give up acquiring prospects that could eventually be critical in building a 90 win or a 95 win team.

    You are making assumption this management can identify such players and develop them.  Their track record is very sub par in getting trade returns that are productive players.  Ryan is the exception and not the rule.

    5 minutes ago, JBK said:

    Buxton $15M ……. Lopez $21.5M…….Ryan & Jeffers at $7.5M each = $51.5M. That actually equals $59M

    Never do math in public. 

    6 minutes ago, JBK said:

    Buxton $15M ……. Lopez $21.5M…….Ryan & Jeffers at $7.5M each = $51.5M. That actually equals $59M

    Nope.

    • Buxton $15M
    • Lopez $21.5M
    • Ryan $7.5M
    • Jeffers $7.5M

    That's $51.5M total for 4 players. To get to $59M you'd need one more guy at $7.5M

    Cutting payroll to $100 million would be a slap in the face to every fan, especially after we paid for Target Field, which was supposed to provide the revenue to be competitive long term with the other teams. Imagine the meager attendance if they actually made such a bad business decision, as fans would be very upset. Why would anyone go to a team that is  shell of its former self? I like baseball, but not THAT much!

    6 hours ago, Glorybound said:

    On the radio broadcast yesterday the Diamond Player of the game was a five year old that caught a foul ball. Maybe Falvey can get his phone number. He probably would play for just some candy. Well maybe throw in a hot dog and beer for his mom and dad. Likely would be more entertaining than this group of wanderers.

    But the question is, can he hit?? As most Twins cannot. When the A's roll out 3 pitchers yesterday with ERA's over 4.00 and the Twins collect 5 hits, that isn't going to get it done. And we have seen it over and over again.

    1 hour ago, Major League Ready said:

    I am not trying to get to a number.  Quite the opposite.  The goal should be to make moves that facilitate building a contender and the lower payroll is simply a product of that process.  You can keep Lopez and Ryan and win 75 games instead of 67-70 games but in the process you give up acquiring prospects that could eventually be critical in building a 90 win or a 95 win team.

    I would agree with this if Lopez and Ryan were in their mid-30s and likely to head down over time, but Lopez just turned 29 and Ryan will turn 30 on September 1. Lopez is signed for a team friendly number through his age 31 season (2027).  Ryan has 2 arb years left (also thru 2027) and will be 32 when he hits FA. These are the type of guys you try to trade FOR, not the guys you trade. Even if you don't think this team will be competitive until 2028 or later, you keep these guys at least until mid season next year when their trade value will be maximized and trade them if the team stinks because the young players aren't any good. That way you give your young players a cornerstone to start next year with starting pitchers that will keep the team in 2 games out of every 5. You need that to develop young players; you can't have a team without any established pitchers that gets blown out every night because then the young guys don't develop. Why not? Because then they don't play in high stress situations where they learn the little things that win and lose games. It not only makes financial sense to keep both; it makes baseball sense.   

    Ober's a tougher case. He's the same age as Ryan and also has 2 arb years left, not anywhere near as good, and much more replaceable by a Matthews, Festa, SWR, Abel, Bradley, etc. He has less trade value; a whole lot less. I would check the market on him. If he alone or with a good A ball guy can fetch a high upside AA hitter (particularly a catcher) or a blocked guy who's tearing up AAA, I'd really think about pulling the trigger much as I hate to give up a competent mid rotation starter who is less than $6M a year. Those guys are very hard to find. 

    3 hours ago, ashbury said:

    Don't look now but perennial All-Star and two-time Hall of Fame inductee Luke Keaschall is OPSing .604 in his last ten games.  Buckle up and strap in - 2026 will be a bumpy ride.

    By next week someone here will be ready to cut him and bring up Payton Eeles. Heck, someone might have already said that and I missed it.

    I expect more trades this offseason. Yes, I expect payroll to drop in that 30-mil range. 

    If your forward thinking and planning on a 2027 lockout you part with your guys that won't be here in 2028. You should be able to rebuild the BP and starting rotation by then with mostly homegrown players. Most of the guys they traded for are AA or higher so 1-2 seasons away. This offseason you try to extend Ryan or Ober. Trade Lopez, one of Ryan/Ober, Larnach, probably Wallner and maybe even Lewis.

    Set to simmer and hope 50% of the guys drafted and traded for work out. 2028 the window cracks open.

    Something I've been wondering about. Recent drafts seem to have the team focusing on hit tool and fielding in the 1st 3-4 rounds. Falvey was focused on power in his 1st few drafts. MAYBE this is more of a philosophy change. MAYBE this is more of a switch from plodding sluggers to athletes. Going from Bomba squad to idk..big red machine?

    1 hour ago, The Great Hambino said:

    I can appreciate you trying to be optimistic, but that is not even close to a competitive bullpen.  It's basically what the bullpen is now (which is awful) plus a $5M fee agent and the hope a failed starter can reinvent themselves on the fly. And paying market rate for a closer is one of the most unreliable investments a team can make, especially a team on a budget.

    There's also one outfielder that has any business starting on a competitive team.

    This is why people are advocating moving the quality starters.  Legitimate contention just isn't realistic for the duration of their contracts.

    I disagree but not completely, which is why I mentioned that another $10m in addition to the $5m already allocated might get us either a quality BP piece or a middle of the order bat. I think both Buxton and Wallner are starting MLB OFs.  I agree the rest should be 4th, 5th or AAA OFs  (although I live in LA and Outman may be better than you think), but I think it's worth half a season to see if Gonzalez, Jenkins, or Emma (or Outman or Martin) can hit the ground running and/or be a MLB caliber starting OF. The BP is a complete crapshoot.  Who knows who will be available. Coulombe is a FA that has pitched poorly for Texas so he might want to come back, there may not be room for Stewart on the Dodgers' 40 man so he might be available, and there are always guys out there to pick up. A bullpen is the one thing you can build on the fly for not a lot of cash. The big hole is the closer.  I would actually try Festa there if only because the Grim Reaper would be a cool closer moniker. Seriously though, I think Festa could be an awesome closer and I think SWR's profile and pitch mix screams stater turned late inning reliever whose 92 mph heater now hits 95 and he has the breaking stuff to go with it. I see SWR as a better version of Jax.

    I understand why people want to move Lopez and Ryan, I just don't think it works if the rest of the team is young guys learning their way. You have to have something that keeps the games competitive if you want the young guys to learn - they need to be put in crucial late inning situations to get better. That 8th and 9th inning at bat isn't as instructive if you're down 8-3 as it is in a tie game, that 7th and 8th inning relief assignments not as helpful if you're down 3 or 4 (or 5 or 6) as with a small lead or in a tie game, and that start is more pressure packed and instructive if the team is around .500 and being mentioned in the wild card race as it is if you're 10 games under .500, etc. Players develop in competitive situations more quickly and better than on uncompetitive teams. Keeping Lopez and Ryan makes it much more likely we will be in competitive situations and I think that would really help speed up the development and frankly the evaluation of guys like Keaschall, Wallner, Lee, Lewis, Mathews, SWR, Adams, Ohl, etc. Lots of guys can play well on a team that is out of it by May, just look at Brent Rooker. We need guys that can play well when the games matter and you don't develop those guys if the starting pitching is so bad that the games never matter.   

    IF the team is not working to compete in 2026 or 2027 why bring up guys early next year? Let them get lots of development time in St Paul and maybe bring them up towards the end of 2026. That would depend upon the strike outlook. The Twins could easily be a 100 loss team in 2026 and probably on the same pace in 2027 for however many games they play. 




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