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[stringer bell]

Doumit is supposed to be healthy and ready to come off the 7-day DL tomorrow. Mastroianni has one more day of rehab before he must be reinstated. Gardy mentioned again that Mastro has been "nicked" a couple of times on his rehab. I wonder if the Twins can and will petition to get an extension of rehab time for Mastroianni. Apparently, he is not swinging well (0-2 with a walk today, 2 Ks) and if they can't extend his rehab, it appears the Twins will option him. (BTW, Hicks still isn't playing). If Mastro stays in Rochester, one way or another, the Twins will have to shed one player. I have been screaming "Ramirez" but I suppose it could be Colabello or Herrmann.

 

Meanwhile, Gibson passed the 140 IP milestone tonight (Minors and Majors combined) and Gardy is speculating that Deduno may have a "dead arm". What to do? What to do? Unless the Twins simply skip Deduno and start Swarzak/Duensing/Pressly, then they probably have to recall somebody and be creative in creating the roster space. I suspect Gibson does not pitch at all in September and someone will have to be recalled to fill his spot. The only starters that are healthy and on the roster in Rochester are Diamond and Hendriks.

 

The Twins have one spot on the 40-man and that seems to have earmarked for Mastroianni. If Morneau or another veteran gets traded it likely will add another vacancy on the 40-man.

[Rosterman]

Hendriks and Diamond will be here no matter what.

 

When Doumit and Mastro return, we lose Herrmann and Colabello (since Morneau is staying put).

 

Look for Escobar and parmelee to be called up. Maybe even Pinto (and Herrmann and Colabello)., Anyone on the 40-man will get a September callup. DeVries, Tomkin, Hernandez.

 

Look for Gibson to be shut down. Maybe the Twins will have a major league look at May. Two years on the 40-man for this guy. We need to give him a taste!

 

Watch, I bet Hicks doesn't get called back in unless he shows something at Rochester (service time service time).

 

Mastro takes that 40-man vacancy that left with Carroll.

 

No, we won't see any future 2015 full-time Twins yet.

[Badsmerf]

Gibson wont be pitching by September. Hopefully he can have a nice outing the next start and end his season on a good note. I suspect Hendriks is ahead of Diamond at this point. Colabiesie and Hermsie will be the guys optioned most likely. I wish they'd give Colabiesie a real shot, but alas, this isn't Cinderelasie.

[drjim]

Hendriks and Diamond will be here no matter what.

 

When Doumit and Mastro return, we lose Herrmann and Colabello (since Morneau is staying put).

 

Look for Escobar and parmelee to be called up. Maybe even Pinto (and Herrmann and Colabello)., Anyone on the 40-man will get a September callup. DeVries, Tomkin, Hernandez.

 

Look for Gibson to be shut down. Maybe the Twins will have a major league look at May. Two years on the 40-man for this guy. We need to give him a taste!

 

Watch, I bet Hicks doesn't get called back in unless he shows something at Rochester (service time service time).

 

Mastro takes that 40-man vacancy that left with Carroll.

 

No, we won't see any future 2015 full-time Twins yet.

 

This is not a consideration unless the Twins plan on keeping him down for a month next season.

[stringer bell]

I think Morneau is moved before the conclusion of the month. I can picture Terry Ryan looking like Mr. Scratch waiting for phone calls when a first baseman or DH get "nicked". Why isn't Ramirez in the conversation for demotion?

[Danchat]

We have a lot of starting pitchers rehabbing in AAA, but hopefully De Vries, Hernandez, and Worley get healthy so they can at least throw in Sept. if they have to.

Deduno is going to be shut down soon? I'm not surprised, but this is the first time I've heard it. I really want to see Pinto, I think he's apart of the future. Parmelee and Tonkin need to get up here too. We have so many starting pitchers on the 40 man roster but so many are nicked up...or need to be shut down.

[howeda7]

Tough call on who gets sent down for Doumit. Hermann is most logical, but given his magic with Albers, they may want to keep him. I know Gardy hates not having a back-up CF'er, but he didn't even start Ramirez in a day came. He must not be that vital.

[Marta Shearing]

They should put doumit on waivers and either work out a trade or give him away. He should not be taking playing time from young players.

[ScottyB]

I think Morneau is moved before the conclusion of the month. I can picture Terry Ryan looking like Mr. Scratch waiting for phone calls when a first baseman or DH get "nicked". Why isn't Ramirez in the conversation for demotion?

 

Ramirez has no options left - he can't be sent down without DFAing and outrighted (which will probably happen after the season).

[Thegrin]

Doumit will stay. Despite his batting average, he was the 2nd best hitter (after Mauer) since Willingham went on the DL.

 

If Ramirez is DFA'd and someone picks him up, it is less of a loss than Mastro.

 

Colabello has shown us nothing. Lets use the AB on Parmalee, who is younger and has more potential.

 

If Hicks doesn't show a huge improvement in the next few weeks, I see know reason to bring Hicks back.

 

What happens to Gibson's ML roster spot if they shut Gibson down? Can they disable him ?

Will we have to go with just 24 players until September ? Can they send him down to Rochester without affecting his options ?

 

Deduno's injury and delayed start may affect the rest of the season. If Deduno has a dead arm, he will probably give us 2 or 3 more difficult outings like the last 2 before we will see the real Deduno.

 

Once they "get it" , sometimes pitchers pitch better in the majors than they do in the minors

Maybe that will be the case with Diamond and Hendricks.

[ThePuck]

What happens to Gibson's ML roster spot if they shut Gibson down? Can they disable him ?

Will we have to go with just 24 players until September ? Can they send him down to Rochester without affecting his options ?

 

 

They can't disable him just cause they want to and no, sending him down won't affect his options. Options are a yearly thing. Since he was already optioned this season, they could yo-yo him all year long between AAA and the majors and they still will have only burnt one option for this year.

[stringer bell]

Doumit will stay. Despite his batting average, he was the 2nd best hitter (after Mauer) since Willingham went on the DL.

 

If Ramirez is DFA'd and someone picks him up, it is less of a loss than Mastro.

 

Colabello has shown us nothing. Lets use the AB on Parmalee, who is younger and has more potential.

 

If Hicks doesn't show a huge improvement in the next few weeks, I see know reason to bring Hicks back.

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Second best player? Brian Dozier says "hello". I just don't see the point of carrying Ramirez. Colabello's season in Rochester should be justification to see what kind of big league hitter he is at 29. I also want more ABs for Parmelee, but in truth, he hasn't produced at a position where there will always be other offensive options. I think Hicks is still injured. He hasn't started a game in about a week and only played in a long extra inning affair.

[ThePuck]

Second best player? Brian Dozier says "hello".

 

I'm not sure how important it is for your point, but he didn't say Doumit had been the 2nd best player since Willingham went on the DL, he said 2nd best hitter.

[AROG]

I think that Gibson and Deduno get us to the Sept. 1 roster expansion. Gardy is a big fan of having pitchers work through dead arm (as am I). But, come then I think that Gibson for sure gets put on the DL with a "sore shoulder" or something like that. Maybe both. At which time they bring up Diamond and Hernandez and possibly even Hendricks. They go with a 5 or 6 man rotation.

 

Also, I would like to see Herrmann go down and find that sweet swing again. He is piling up the K's again and keeping Ramirez is a plus till Mastro can make it back up.

[Linus]

Some how, some way they need to get Hendriiks, Diamond and Parmalee back up here for the rest of the season. To me, these are the last question marks that need to be evaluated going into the off season. Whether Colabello or Ramirez goes up or down or is DFA'd really doesn't matter. These are not important pieces of our future.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I'm not sure how important it is for your point, but he didn't say Doumit had been the 2nd best player since Willingham went on the DL, he said 2nd best hitter.

 

That would still be Dozier. Really, Dozier has been the Twins second-best hitter/player, period.

[drjim]

Some how, some way they need to get Hendriiks, Diamond and Parmalee back up here for the rest of the season. To me, these are the last question marks that need to be evaluated going into the off season. Whether Colabello or Ramirez goes up or down or is DFA'd really doesn't matter. These are not important pieces of our future.

 

They'll get their chances soon enough for the reasons you state. I could see a 6 man rotation in September with Gibson shut down.

[ashbury]

Colabello has shown us nothing.

 

Cherry picking a starting date of July 25, Colabello has a current OPS line of .985 on a .306 BA. Still small sample size, but it's not just a couple of games either. I'm not optimistic on his long-terms chances, but he's "shown" something.

[stringer bell]

I'm wondering if Rochester's status of being in a pennant race matters at all. I actually think that it does. Diamond threw a shutout last time out and I think the Twins would like the Wings to make the playoffs for the first time since they were a Twins affiliate. Obviously, the number one goal is player development, but winning at Rochester is probably just as important as winning a few more games in Minnesota.

[Ultima Ratio]

All I know is that we should have signed Bourne for a year or two and let Hicks play all year in AAA. Now, you try to trade either or both Doumit and Morneau before having to move guys up and down and fiddle with the 40 man.

[drjim]

All I know is that we should have signed Bourn for a year or two and let Hicks play all year in AAA. Now, you try to trade either or both Doumit and Morneau before having to move guys up and down and fiddle with the 40 man.

 

No question Bourn would jump at a 1 or 2 year deal over the 4 years he signed for.

[stringer bell]

Mastroianni has been optioned to Rochester according to the PP. That will leave one player to be sent to Rochester or designated when Doumit is cleared to play (supposedly today). Mastro's activation fills the 40-man roster.

[ThePuck]

No question Bourn would jump at a 1 or 2 year deal over the 4 years he signed for.

 

If a 2 year offer would have been made earlier in the process, he may have. It took a LONG time for him to be signed. I didn't want him, I'm glad we didn't get him, but that sarcastic response dismisses the fact that it took a LONG time for him to sign and he MIGHT have jumped at a 2 year contract if present much sooner than mid February. A lot of people thought he mis-judged the market and that the Span and Revere trades really hurt him.

[SweetOne69]

Mastroianni has been optioned to Rochester according to the PP. That will leave one player to be sent to Rochester or designated when Doumit is cleared to play (supposedly today). Mastro's activation fills the 40-man roster.

 

I believe that this will be a "free" option, assuming that Mastro get's recalled after 9/1. IIRC a option is recouped if a player spends less then 20 days on optional assignment.

[IdahoPilgrim]

I believe that this will be a "free" option, assuming that Mastro get's recalled after 9/1. IIRC a option is recouped if a player spends less then 20 days on optional assignment.

 

You are correct.

[jokin]

If a 2 year offer would have been made earlier in the process, he may have. It took a LONG time for him to be signed. I didn't want him, I'm glad we didn't get him, but that sarcastic response dismisses the fact that it took a LONG time for him to sign and he MIGHT have jumped at a 2 year contract if present much sooner than mid February. A lot of people thought he mis-judged the market and that the Span and Revere trades really hurt him.

 

The one-year deal for Boras was an active option being considered publicly at the time. And Boras had precedent for pursuing such an option previously. Also Boras spent a lot of PR capital complaining about the current CBA restricting Bourn's FA options- I think there's an excellent chance at the time that Boras would have jumped if Ryan had made an offer. Many of us argued at the time that the Twins were in a very good position to sign Bourn, because of their poor record in 2012, it would not have cost them a first round pick in 2014, and they could have either made a deadline trade for Bourn in July for a fairly decent prospect (which is what "rebuilding" teams are supposed to do) or had him play out the season and made a QO in return for a possible additional Compensation Pick in 2014.

[drjim]

The one-year deal for Boras was an active option being considered publicly at the time. And Boras had precedent for pursuing such an option previously. Also Boras spent a lot of PR capital complaining about the current CBA restricting Bourn's FA options- I think there's an excellent chance at the time that Boras would have jumped if Ryan had made an offer. Many of us argued at the time that the Twins were in a very good position to sign Bourn, because of their poor record in 2012, it would not have cost them a first round pick in 2014, and they could have either made a deadline trade for Bourn in July for a fairly decent prospect (which is what "rebuilding" teams are supposed to do) or had him play out the season and made a QO in return for a possible additional Compensation Pick in 2014.

 

We are all arguing out of ignorance here but I am quite skeptical Bourn lacked short term offers throughout the offseason.

 

I suspect teams were hesitant to go 4 years on a guy with his skill set and Boras waited it out.

 

So yes I stand by my sarcastic remark. Your plan is plenty swell but unrealistic as events ultimately proved.

[ThePuck]

We are all arguing out of ignorance here but I am quite skeptical Bourn lacked short term offers throughout the offseason.

 

I suspect teams were hesitant to go 4 years on a guy with his skill set and Boras waited it out.

 

So yes I stand by my sarcastic remark. Your plan is plenty swell but unrealistic as events ultimately proved.

 

The problem with your remark was that you're talking him choosing between a 4 year deal as opposed to 1 or 2 year deal. That 4 year deal happened way late in the free agency time frame. If a 1 or 2 year deal was offered in the 3 or so months of free agency prior to the 4 year deal being offered, he wouldn't have been choosing between a 4 year deal and a 1 or 2 year deal. He also had no way to know for sure a 4 year deal would EVER be offered...

[drjim]

The problem with your remark was that you're talking him choosing between a 4 year deal as opposed to 1 or 2 year deal. That 4 year deal happened way late in the free agency time frame. If a 1 or 2 year deal was offered in the 3 or so months of free agency prior to the 4 year deal being offered, he wouldn't have been choosing between a 4 year deal and a 1 or 2 year deal. He also had no way to know for sure a 4 year deal would EVER be offered...

 

True. Then he could take the 1 or 2 year deal then. Boras is not going to jump at a below market offer early in the process, no competent agent would.

 

The Twins might have gotten him at that contract just not early in the process.

[jokin]

The problem with your remark was that you're talking him choosing between a 4 year deal as opposed to 1 or 2 year deal. That 4 year deal happened way late in the free agency time frame. If a 1 or 2 year deal was offered in the 3 or so months of free agency prior to the 4 year deal being offered, he wouldn't have been choosing between a 4 year deal and a 1 or 2 year deal. He also had no way to know for sure a 4 year deal would EVER be offered...

 

You are spot on. Boras originally wanted 5/$15 and ultimately settled for quite a bit less, 4/$12 just before the start of ST. Boras has previous history of getting the short-term money and coming back to the well again for the big dollar/years the next year. The openings for CF were closing fast once Span and Revere were gone. I think he would have jumped at a one-year number close to the $15M he wanted originally in December and January.