Did We Just Witness Jeremy Zoll Implement a Change in Roster Construction Philosophy?

[amjgt]

1 hour ago, theloniousjoe said:

Gleeman has been banging on this drum for a long, long time. If the FO is finally showing the ability to cut bait on veterans and stop it with the sunk cost crap, that’s possibly a really good sign. 

There was no sunk cost for Hendriks and Chaffin. 

Larnach is the real test of Sunk cost fortitude from the front office. I never really expected them to find a taker for Larnach and I didn't expect them to light $4.3M on fire, so having him on the 26 man to start the season always felt like a 90% proposition. 

The real test is if he stinks by the end of April or if he's just league average offensively by the start of June. That's when the real "change in roster construction philosophy articles" should come.

[Mike Sixel]

5 minutes ago, amjgt said:

There was no sunk cost for Hendriks and Chaffin. 

Larnach is the real test of Sunk cost fortitude from the front office. I never really expected them to find a taker for Larnach and I didn't expect them to light $4.3M on fire, so having him on the 26 man to start the season always felt like a 90% proposition. 

The real test is if he stinks by the end of April or if he's just league average offensively by the start of June. That's when the real "change in roster construction philosophy articles" should come.

10000000% truth. 

[NYCTK]

16 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Nobody was predicting Bader having a career year offensively. Not even you, as his biggest fan.

And he didn't need to have a career year for that signing to be a great move. He was added as a 4th OF to take away playing time from DaShawn Keirsey. It was a great signing from day 1 which is how I know so many people here have extreme biases against external veterans that end up making them look foolish. 

17 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

And I fully and completely disagree that Ty France made anyone look foolish.

He was perfectly fine and took playing time away from...Aaron Sabato? Jose Miranda? It was another good depth signing, and was from Day 1. 

It just really seems like a lot of people here are unable to understand the weaknesses of internal players while hyper-focused on the weaknesses of external players. Or at least initially, because once a player comes up and fails, a lot of fans are then completely willing to give up on them too. 

21 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

That matters. "He only cost $1 million, so being an almost average bat is a win!" doesn't help you actually win games.

This is just a really funny thing to say about someone that was deemed good enough to be on a World Series roster. Not good enough for the Twins on a near minimum contract, but good enough for the AL Pennant winners apparently.  

26 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I'd be willing to bet a lot that some other posters find some of the things you bring up annoying as well.

I count on it. Always annoying, but always right. 

[DJL44]

20 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

Have you ever seen a team expected to win 72 games sign an elite RP?  You don't need a garage for a rusted out AMC Pacer. 

Good relievers make really nice trade bait at the deadline.

3 hours ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

Better than Manny Margot is a very low bar.

A bar Outman has failed to clear in two consecutive seasons.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, DJL44 said:

Good relievers make really nice trade bait at the deadline.

A bar Outman has failed to clear in two consecutive seasons.

Fans think teams sign RPs to trade them at the deadline. Fangraphs looked at this a few years ago, and it just isn't something teams do. 

[chpettit19]

9 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

And he didn't need to have a career year for that signing to be a great move. He was added as a 4th OF to take away playing time from DaShawn Keirsey. It was a great signing from day 1 which is how I know so many people here have extreme biases against external veterans that end up making them look foolish. 

He was perfectly fine and took playing time away from...Aaron Sabato? Jose Miranda? It was another good depth signing, and was from Day 1. 

It just really seems like a lot of people here are unable to understand the weaknesses of internal players while hyper-focused on the weaknesses of external players. Or at least initially, because once a player comes up and fails, a lot of fans are then completely willing to give up on them too. 

This is just a really funny thing to say about someone that was deemed good enough to be on a World Series roster. Not good enough for the Twins on a near minimum contract, but good enough for the AL Pennant winners apparently.  

I count on it. Always annoying, but always right. 

He was signed to be an everyday outfielder. You can continue claiming he was a 4th outfielder, but we have the ability to look back and see how he was used from the very beginning, and it was as an everyday outfielder. So, yes, he did need to have a career year for that deal to be great.

He was "perfectly fine" for $1 million. That's the point. He had 4 postseason PAs. He was the Twins everyday 1B from the jump. Thank you for proving my point. An actually good team gave him 4 PAs in 18 games. The Twins were giving him 4 PAs every day.

I love external players. Our internal players have been developed so poorly we need external players. The problem is that they sign bench players to be everyday players and it's why they continue to struggle. Can't develop and can't afford true, impactful starting external players. Yes, they do hit on some of them. But if they were nailing these external signings, if Ty France was actually a legitimate starting 1B, Rocco Baldelli and Derek Falvey would be in Fort Myers.

[NYCTK]

1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

So, yes, he did need to have a career year for that deal to be great.

I'm sorry, but this is just very foolish. No, Harrison Bader did not need to be 4 WAR player for the contract to be a work out well. He only needed to be a 1.5 WAR player. 

This explains why you looked so foolish about his signing from the very start. And goes to prove my original point. 

5 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

He was the Twins everyday 1B from the jump.

Are you forgetting the 2025 Twins were wishing for Miranda to be able to win that job? France was not Plan A. To claim he was is revisionist history. 

In fact, Ty France was a perfect signing to a team wishing to give runway to an internal player they want to win the job. And, Bader was the perfect signing to help out in the OF for a team with a fragile CF, a primary LF that can't play LF, and with a lot of prospects in the high minors that you're hoping can breakthrough in the near future. 

 

[nicksaviking]

9 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Fans think teams sign RPs to trade them at the deadline. Fangraphs looked at this a few years ago, and it just isn't something teams do. 

Probably because there's only ever about four good relievers on the free agent market every season. You don't know what you're going to get from the guy moving team-to-team. Emilio Pagan is now worth 20M over two years despite being a DFA candidate in even numbered years? The difference between a 2nd tier reliever and a DFA candidate is about 30 innings of either good or bad pitching.

35-year-old Tyler Rogers and his !!!!16%!!!! K rate gets a four year deal? Nick Martinez, Ryan Helsley, Seranthony Dominguez? Unless you only look at one season, while completely ignoring other seasons, and ignore troubling walk or strikeout numbers, it's clear these guys aren't any more likely to help your team than they are to be a liability.

I'll pay a guy who is good every year while playing for multiple teams while having usable BB% and K%.. If there's no consistency, look in house or scrape the bottom of the barrel, because half of those guys getting paid will be bottom of the barrel six months from now anyway.

[amjgt]

On 3/22/2026 at 7:13 AM, Whitey333 said:

No extra confidence in their decision making.  If this were true many of those "can't miss" prospects we keep hearing about would have been kept on the 26 man roster.  Time will tell.  Dumping veterans may work.  What we have left are just as suspect.  Going to be a very long and boring summer of Twins baseball im afraid.

I challenge you to find one article or heck, even one discussion board post, where the writer refers to any of our prospects as "can't miss" 

You seem to be projecting your frustration at the hit rate of our top prospects onto the people that thoughtfully write about our top prospects. 

[chpettit19]

2 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

I'm sorry, but this is just very foolish. No, Harrison Bader did not need to be 4 WAR player for the contract to be a work out well. He only needed to be a 1.5 WAR player. 

This explains why you looked so foolish about his signing from the very start. And goes to prove my original point. 

Are you forgetting the 2025 Twins were wishing for Miranda to be able to win that job? France was not Plan A. To claim he was is revisionist history. 

In fact, Ty France was a perfect signing to a team wishing to give runway to an internal player they want to win the job. And, Bader was the perfect signing to help out in the OF for a team with a fragile CF, a primary LF that can't play LF, and with a lot of prospects in the high minors that you're hoping can breakthrough in the near future. 

 

I didn't say "work out well" because you didn't say "work out well." You said "great." And, no, a 1.5 WAR player would not have been "great." That's the point. That'd be a 4th outfielder playing as an everyday player. Thus, yes, he did need a career offensive year to be worth the everyday job he was handed.

No, revisionist history is pretending Ty France wasn't their plan A. Since, you know, on February 15th (a little before the season started, I believe) Rocco Baldelli said "the kind of hitter that he is, this isn't a platoon situation. I think he's going to play." You can look up some of the articles about it from back then if you'd like.

Both of those guys were signed to be everyday players. 1 ended up living up to it. The other was a large reason they had a fire sale in July.

This is going nowhere. No reason for us to derail this thread any longer.

[Mike Sixel]

8 minutes ago, amjgt said:

I challenge you to find one article or heck, even one discussion board post, where the writer refers to any of our prospects as "can't miss" 

You seem to be projecting your frustration at the hit rate of our top prospects onto the people that thoughtfully write about our top prospects. 

In every thread. Over and over. It's their "bit" or something.

[Jose Herrera]

I think Shelton had a say in this. If he is going to be around for a few seasons, he may have preferred building up our other pitchers.

[KirbyDome89]

7 hours ago, arby58 said:

Even with your claim that 20% of the season doesn't count, Gallo's OPS from May 1 on was still igher than Margot's .626 - and he was far better defensively.

Three weeks ≠ 20% of the season, but more to the point, I didn't say that span of time didn't count, I said it was the only portion of the season that he was playable. He still held a roster spot through the entire year, so that's 5+ months of carrying an offensive black hole that no amount of corner OF defense could compensate for. 

[arby58]

18 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Three weeks ≠ 20% of the season, but more to the point, I didn't say that span of time didn't count, I said it was the only portion of the season that he was playable. He still held a roster spot through the entire year, so that's 5+ months of carrying an offensive black hole that no amount of corner OF defense could compensate for. 

29 games, and an OPS over 1.000

[bean5302]

I think there are just a couple different perspectives.

1. all veterans are the best thing ever. no matter how useless they've been in the last 5 years, they're the best! keep them around so the smell of ben gay is strong in the air at Target Field.

2. maybe just spend money on the good players and cut players who are clearly detrimental to the team?

 

[NYCTK]

48 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Three weeks ≠ 20% of the season, but more to the point, I didn't say that span of time didn't count, I said it was the only portion of the season that he was playable. He still held a roster spot through the entire year, so that's 5+ months of carrying an offensive black hole that no amount of corner OF defense could compensate for. 

But the question is, who was he stealing playing time from? Over the course of the regular season there are just long stretches where you just need warm bodies. That seems to be how Gallo got any playing time in the second half. 

Gallo played a lot of 1B because Solano and Kirilloff missed time. He played a lot of LF because Larnach missed time. He played some RF because Kepler missed time. 

He didn't quite meet the desired expectations, but Castro and Solano exceeded them, and as a result they both won the playing time given everyone being healthy. Gallo only started two games in September! 

Are fans really still upset about the 13th man on the roster on the 2023 Twins, and that it wasn't someone like Kyle Garlick, Nick Gordon, Andrew Stevenson or Jordan Luplow instead? 

[KirbyDome89]

5 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

But the question is, who was he stealing playing time from? Over the course of the regular season there are just long stretches where you just need warm bodies. That seems to be how Gallo got any playing time in the second half. 

Gallo played a lot of 1B because Solano and Kirilloff missed time. He played a lot of LF because Larnach missed time. He played some RF because Kepler missed time. 

He didn't quite meet the desired expectations, but Castro and Solano exceeded them, and as a result they both won the playing time given everyone being healthy. Gallo only started two games in September! 

Are fans really still upset about the 13th man on the roster on the 2023 Twins, and that it wasn't someone like Kyle Garlick, Nick Gordon, Andrew Stevenson or Jordan Luplow instead? 

People forget that the Twins were trying to win games in 2023. They were below .500 at the ASB that year. "He has to play because X, Y, Z player is out/needs rest," arguments were sunk cost reasoning. @chpettit19 already said it, but that spot at minimum could've been a revolving door for internal and/or external options. They could've actually addressed the need for another OF at the trade deadline if they felt so inclined. It wasn't simply Jordan Luplow or bust. That's a false choice. 

"Didn't meet expectations," is an understatement. He was a terrible offensive performer from May onward, and hanging onto him was terrible roster management. I really don't understand the argument for burning a valuable bench spot on a guy that you can't play. You led the charge for removing Kiersy last season for the same reason, why does Gallo get a pass here? 

[amjgt]

Other than relitigating 2023 (which had completely different front office leadership), what exactly are the points trying to be made in this Gallo discussion. I feel like this tangent lost the plot about 5 posts ago. 

[NYCTK]

41 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

that spot at minimum could've been a revolving door for internal and/or external options.

There was a revolving door. And that revolving door tried internal options and they all stunk even worse than Gallo. 

 

44 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

He was a terrible offensive performer from May onward, and hanging onto him was terrible roster management.

He stunk, but he still had a 300 OBP and decent OF defense, making him effectively a replacement level player. Cutting a replacement level player without any plan to replace them is far worse roster management. 

Joey Gallo was not the top of the list of the 2023 Twins issues. The team actually managed him and his frustrating season pretty well. 

 

45 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

You led the charge for removing Kiersy last season for the same reason, why does Gallo get a pass here? 

DaShawn Keirsey was barely any better with the glove and significantly worse with the bat. He was very obviously a below replacement level player (which is why Margot never lost his job in '24), but I still didn't lead any sort of charge for just cutting him without anyone else to replace him. That was the reason I was such a big fan of the Bader signing.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I argued against cutting Keirsey because there WERE no better options in AAA or on the waiver wire. 

29 minutes ago, amjgt said:

Other than relitigating 2023 (which had completely different front office leadership), what exactly are the points trying to be made in this Gallo discussion. I feel like this tangent lost the plot about 5 posts ago. 

False narratives that take root in this community, which can be argued is the entire basis of the article. 

[KirbyDome89]

23 hours ago, NYCTK said:

There was a revolving door. And that revolving door tried internal options and they all stunk even worse than Gallo. 

He stunk, but he still had a 300 OBP and decent OF defense, making him effectively a replacement level player. Cutting a replacement level player without any plan to replace them is far worse roster management. 

Joey Gallo was not the top of the list of the 2023 Twins issues. The team actually managed him and his frustrating season pretty well. 

DaShawn Keirsey was barely any better with the glove and significantly worse with the bat. He was very obviously a below replacement level player (which is why Margot never lost his job in '24), but I still didn't lead any sort of charge for just cutting him without anyone else to replace him. That was the reason I was such a big fan of the Bader signing.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I argued against cutting Keirsey because there WERE no better options in AAA or on the waiver wire. 

How can that roster spot be a revolving door if Gallo held onto it all season?

A .288 OBP is terrible. We both know that. Moving on from a replacement level player is exactly what teams interested in winning should be doing, hence the term, replacement level. Locking in that type of performance is absolutely a worse roster decision than attempting to improve. I honestly don't know how that's debatable. 

Joey Gallo was most certainly a contributor to the offensive woes that plagued the Twins for much of the 2023 season. Yeah, we're gonna disagree that burning a roster spot on an unplayable guy because you paid him $11M is good roster management. 

You supported the Twins keeping Keirsey on the roster, despite his horrible performance, and you argued that was good roster management? That's not the discourse I remember, but ok.  

[KirbyDome89]

On 3/23/2026 at 3:51 PM, amjgt said:

Other than relitigating 2023 (which had completely different front office leadership), what exactly are the points trying to be made in this Gallo discussion. I feel like this tangent lost the plot about 5 posts ago. 

Pretty straight forward; cutting underperforming vets on MiLB deals during ST isn't the same thing as cutting bait with underperforming vets in season. The former happens all the time, the latter is a far more rare occurrence. 

[chpettit19]

On 3/23/2026 at 4:23 PM, NYCTK said:

There was a revolving door. And that revolving door tried internal options and they all stunk even worse than Gallo. 

 

He stunk, but he still had a 300 OBP and decent OF defense, making him effectively a replacement level player. Cutting a replacement level player without any plan to replace them is far worse roster management. 

Joey Gallo was not the top of the list of the 2023 Twins issues. The team actually managed him and his frustrating season pretty well. 

 

DaShawn Keirsey was barely any better with the glove and significantly worse with the bat. He was very obviously a below replacement level player (which is why Margot never lost his job in '24), but I still didn't lead any sort of charge for just cutting him without anyone else to replace him. That was the reason I was such a big fan of the Bader signing.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I argued against cutting Keirsey because there WERE no better options in AAA or on the waiver wire. 

False narratives that take root in this community, which can be argued is the entire basis of the article. 

The false narrative is that Gallo didn't hold anyone, namely Matt Wallner, back from getting PAs after he completely fell apart at the plate. Here's the actual, verifiable facts of the 2023 season between Gallo and Wallner. 

From May 1 to the end of the season:

Joey Gallo hit .163/.288/.374/.663 in 267 PAs with the big club
Matt Wallner his .259/.374/.527/.901 in 243 PAs with the big club

Yes, that's correct, Matt Wallner's OBP was as high as Gallo's slug.

During that time, Matt Wallner also played 48 games in AAA. The entire month of June and half the month of July had Matt Wallner absolutely destroying AAA pitching after having put up an OPS of over 1.000 in his brief time with the Twins early in the season. 

Joey Gallo played 16 games with 53 PAs and an OPS of .674 in June. Also had 53 PAs in July with an OPS of .567. Again, Matt Wallner was in AAA setting the world on fire this entire time. In May, Gallo put up an OPS of .654 while Wallner was crushing AAA. It seems reasonable to have given him that month to see if he'd collect himself based on how he started the season, but June and July there was no excuse. He absolutely held Matt Wallner back.

You are the one providing a false narrative. At a minimum he cost Wallner roughly 100 PAs in the majors in the heart of the season. Joey Gallo not being cut by the end of May in 2023 absolutely, positively, 100% held Matt Wallner back in AAA.

[NYCTK]

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

The false narrative is that Gallo didn't hold anyone, namely Matt Wallner, back from getting PAs after he completely fell apart at the plate. Here's the actual, verifiable facts of the 2023 season between Gallo and Wallner. 

From May 1 to the end of the season:

Joey Gallo hit .163/.288/.374/.663 in 267 PAs with the big club
Matt Wallner his .259/.374/.527/.901 in 243 PAs with the big club

Yes, that's correct, Matt Wallner's OBP was as high as Gallo's slug.

During that time, Matt Wallner also played 48 games in AAA. The entire month of June and half the month of July had Matt Wallner absolutely destroying AAA pitching after having put up an OPS of over 1.000 in his brief time with the Twins early in the season. 

Joey Gallo played 16 games with 53 PAs and an OPS of .674 in June. Also had 53 PAs in July with an OPS of .567. Again, Matt Wallner was in AAA setting the world on fire this entire time. In May, Gallo put up an OPS of .654 while Wallner was crushing AAA. It seems reasonable to have given him that month to see if he'd collect himself based on how he started the season, but June and July there was no excuse. He absolutely held Matt Wallner back.

You are the one providing a false narrative. At a minimum he cost Wallner roughly 100 PAs in the majors in the heart of the season. Joey Gallo not being cut by the end of May in 2023 absolutely, positively, 100% held Matt Wallner back in AAA.

Gallo did only start in 40 games in either Corner OF position.

But there was a month long stretch where Larnach got hurt [EDIT: not hurt, but sent down to AAA] and during which Gallo took over primary LF duties. I think 100 PAs is a fair estimate of the number of plate appearances that Gallo withheld from Wallner, but overstating it a bit. During that stretch Gallo received 69 PAs with his typical low BA/OBP high slugging 737 OPS. 

But then Wallner was called up, because he wasn't blocked, and the Twins decided to stop playing the veteran because he was playing at a replacement level. Which is what we all wish for them to do.

You can hope they have a quicker hook, but the fact that Wallner was called up and was essentially an every day player after that date is the only evidence necessary to prove that Wallner wasn't blocked. 

[chpettit19]

Just now, NYCTK said:

Gallo did only start in 40 games in either Corner OF position.

But there was a month long stretch where Larnach got hurt and during which Gallo took over primary LF duties. I think 100 PAs is a fair estimate of the number of plate appearances that Gallo withheld from Wallner, but overstating it a bit. During that stretch Gallo received 69 PAs with his typical low BA/OBP high slugging 737 OPS. 

But then Wallner was called up, because he wasn't blocked, and the Twins decided to stop playing the veteran because he was playing at a replacement level. Which is what we all wish for them to do.

You can hope they have a quicker hook, but the fact that Wallner was called up and was essentially an every day player after that date is the only evidence necessary to prove that Wallner wasn't blocked. 

Even faced with him playing over a quarter if the season in the middle of the season while he was one of the best hitters in AAA and Gallo was one of the worst in the majors and you can't just say the Twins held Gallo too long. Unreal. Maybe it's time to give up calling out other people holding onto narratives too long. Enjoy your night.

[NYCTK]

42 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

How can that roster spot be a revolving door if Gallo held onto it all season?

A .288 OBP is terrible. We both know that. Moving on from a replacement level player is exactly what teams interested in winning should be doing, hence the term, replacement level. Locking in that type of performance is absolutely a worse roster decision than attempting to improve. I honestly don't know how that's debatable. 

Joey Gallo was most certainly a contributor to the offensive woes that plagued the Twins for much of the 2023 season. Yeah, we're gonna disagree that burning a roster spot on an unplayable guy because you paid him $11M is good roster management. 

You supported the Twins keeping Keirsey on the roster, despite his horrible performance, and you argued that was good roster management? That's not the discourse I remember, but ok.  

If there was no revolving door, how did all of Castro, Luplow, Gordon, Garlick and Stevenson start games in LF in addition to Larnach, Wallner, Kirilloff, and Gallo? 

The Twins weren't reliant on Gallo as a player to start the season. He was essentially given the role Bader filled last season, not expected to be a star with the bat but just to pop a few dingers while having the positional flexibility to play any of the OF positions, as well as the vacant 1B position. 

He was actually one of 3 veterans brought in at the start of that season to play those veteran support roles (4 if you count the waiver claim Castro) yet no one ever talks about all the other role players and their combined 6.4 bWAR. They just constantly complain about Gallo. 

All this complaining about a veteran that LOST his job due to ineffectiveness, as evidence the Twins refuse to move on from veterans. And all complaining about the roster of the only decent Twins team in the last 5 seasons. It just gets really old. 

I was a Day 1 DaShawn hater. But you don't just cut people without someone to replace them. As ****** as DaShawn was, he played at least some role. And when Martin was hurt, there was no one in AAA that could fill that role. But, that's because of complete organizational failure. 

[Mike Sixel]

53 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

The false narrative is that Gallo didn't hold anyone, namely Matt Wallner, back from getting PAs after he completely fell apart at the plate. Here's the actual, verifiable facts of the 2023 season between Gallo and Wallner. 

From May 1 to the end of the season:

Joey Gallo hit .163/.288/.374/.663 in 267 PAs with the big club
Matt Wallner his .259/.374/.527/.901 in 243 PAs with the big club

Yes, that's correct, Matt Wallner's OBP was as high as Gallo's slug.

During that time, Matt Wallner also played 48 games in AAA. The entire month of June and half the month of July had Matt Wallner absolutely destroying AAA pitching after having put up an OPS of over 1.000 in his brief time with the Twins early in the season. 

Joey Gallo played 16 games with 53 PAs and an OPS of .674 in June. Also had 53 PAs in July with an OPS of .567. Again, Matt Wallner was in AAA setting the world on fire this entire time. In May, Gallo put up an OPS of .654 while Wallner was crushing AAA. It seems reasonable to have given him that month to see if he'd collect himself based on how he started the season, but June and July there was no excuse. He absolutely held Matt Wallner back.

You are the one providing a false narrative. At a minimum he cost Wallner roughly 100 PAs in the majors in the heart of the season. Joey Gallo not being cut by the end of May in 2023 absolutely, positively, 100% held Matt Wallner back in AAA.

I'm sure someone voted down these actual facts for a reason. What that might be, I have no idea. 

[NYCTK]

10 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Even faced with him playing over a quarter if the season in the middle of the season while he was one of the best hitters in AAA and Gallo was one of the worst in the majors and you can't just say the Twins held Gallo too long. Unreal. Maybe it's time to give up calling out other people holding onto narratives too long. Enjoy your night.

That 40 games was over the entire season. And, yes, a large chunk of those games were over the course of one month, when Larnach got demoted to AAA (I think I said injured, but that was earlier in the season).  

I really don't think a one month trial with a veteran role player plugged in is demonstrative of a team that is overly reliant on veterans over young players. They gave the job to a young guy, he sucked, and then they gave one of the veterans a month, and then moved on from him to go to the young player.  

This goes against what you think it does. You wish it was 2 weeks instead of 4? Great, sure, hindsight is 20-20. It's very easy to argue in hindsight that they should have just gone to Wallner, and I don't doubt there were people at the time saying as much. And I might have been saying the same were I paying attention at that point in the season.

But it's also worth keeping in mind Wallner had a 32% K rate at the time Larnach was sent down and still played his terrible OF defense. The Twins could have been very intentional with what they were working on with Wallner in the minors and didn't wish to bring him up and get sent back down right behind Larnach. 

This narrative around Gallo is just fans being petty. A bench player came in, was around replacement level and helped them get into the playoffs. And rather than just forget about him and think back fondly on the season, so many here can't stop ****ing on him and the one month he kind of sort of blocked Matt Wallner. 

Get over it. 

[NYCTK]

8 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I'm sure someone voted down these actual facts for a reason. What that might be, I have no idea. 

You could tag @RpR and ask them rather than be a passive aggressive vocal bystander over it. 

Not every down vote requires a comment. You're allowed to just disagree with someone. 

[KirbyDome89]

19 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

If there was no revolving door, how did all of Castro, Luplow, Gordon, Garlick and Stevenson start games in LF in addition to Larnach, Wallner, Kirilloff, and Gallo? 

The Twins weren't reliant on Gallo as a player to start the season. He was essentially given the role Bader filled last season, not expected to be a star with the bat but just to pop a few dingers while having the positional flexibility to play any of the OF positions, as well as the vacant 1B position. 

He was actually one of 3 veterans brought in at the start of that season to play those veteran support roles (4 if you count the waiver claim Castro) yet no one ever talks about all the other role players and their combined 6.4 bWAR. They just constantly complain about Gallo. 

All this complaining about a veteran that LOST his job due to ineffectiveness, as evidence the Twins refuse to move on from veterans. And all complaining about the roster of the only decent Twins team in the last 5 seasons. It just gets really old. 

I was a Day 1 DaShawn hater. But you don't just cut people without someone to replace them. As ****** as DaShawn was, he played at least some role. And when Martin was hurt, there was no one in AAA that could fill that role. But, that's because of complete organizational failure. 

Forcing another roster spot to carry a LF candidate while continuing to burn a roster spot hanging onto a LF candidate that isn't playable? I mean what are we talking about here....

Why would anybody complain about successful additions? 

Haha, he might've "lost," his job as far as playing time was concerned, but he stayed on the roster for the entire ****ing year while being unplayable for 5+ months! That is the definition of refusing to move on. 

The notion that the Twins couldn't find somebody else to take over the role of possibly the worst hitter in all of baseball is laughable. There's absolutely no chance the organization was hanging onto Keirsey because his production was irreplaceable. 

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8 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

That 40 games was over the entire season. And, yes, a large chunk of those games were over the course of one month, when Larnach got demoted to AAA (I think I said injured, but that was earlier in the season).  

I really don't think a one month trial with a veteran role player plugged in is demonstrative of a team that is overly reliant on veterans over young players. They gave the job to a young guy, he sucked, and then they gave one of the veterans a month, and then moved on from him to go to the young player.  

This goes against what you think it does. You wish it was 2 weeks instead of 4? Great, sure, hindsight is 20-20. It's very easy to argue in hindsight that they should have just gone to Wallner, and I don't doubt there were people at the time saying as much. And I might have been saying the same were I paying attention at that point in the season.

But it's also worth keeping in mind Wallner had a 32% K rate at the time Larnach was sent down and still played his terrible OF defense. The Twins could have been very intentional with what they were working on with Wallner in the minors and didn't wish to bring him up and get sent back down right behind Larnach. 

This narrative around Gallo is just fans being petty. A bench player came in, was around replacement level and helped them get into the playoffs. And rather than just forget about him and think back fondly on the season, so many here can't stop ****ing on him and the one month he kind of sort of blocked Matt Wallner. 

Get over it. 

Matt Wallner was called up and sent down multiple times. You're just making stuff up because you have a narrative you want to stick to. Pot, meet kettle.

Yes, people have things they stick to. I'm positive you are going to be bringing up Bader for years. Get off your high horse. You don't like talk about veterans being held too long? Don't come on an article about veterans being held too long and comment.

Get over it.