amjgt

It was Bailey Ober at +0.1 offensive fWAR that tripped me up. Two plate appearances. One hit... 0.1 fWAR

Doesn’t REALLY change my point. It just doesn’t line up exactly at $6M like I thought it did. To your point earlier, it actually moves the real value of $/WAR down

I went back and looked. That WAS just hitters. I think I just got unlucky by noticing a pitcher in the hitter stats

I’m 100% sure I saw a pitcher on the last page before the 0.0 group, because I was specifically worried about this. However, I acknowledge that it’s possible that I saw a pitcher that managed to accumulate a slightly positive WAR from the plate.

This year players accumulated a little more than 650 positive fWAR. The actual number was 650, but I pulled that on Friday night, so it went up a little from there

Good questions... There are two ways to project the AAV. 1) Future protected WAR. A perfectly good way to do it and what the $8M number is based on (the fangraphs article). 2) Previous actual WAR. The problem with #1, from a fan's point of view, is that projecting WAR is done differently by everyone. Of course that's how TEAMS should think of it but they probably all do it differently. ZiPS does it different that Steamer who does it differently than The Bat, and so on They all have their own assumptions. So, #1 is a complicated way to do it and requires a TON of assumptions. And where it fails here, is that most people in casual discussion, apply #1 like its as simple as #2. It's a very complex calculation that's being applied very non-critically. So, my goal here was to see if there was a much simpler correlation. People want to apply a simple formula so let's see if we can give them one. As it turns out, I believe $6M for the average WAR of their previous two seasons is a pretty good rule of thumb. It doesn't require aging curves, projected WAR, complex algorithms, etc.... It just looks at a) what teams are actually paying for FA, and confirmed with b) what the actual league-wide value of 1.0 WAR is ($4B/650) over the course of a season.

What is a free agent worth? $8M AAV per WAR. That's what they all tell me. It never felt right because it never seems to work out that way, ESPECIALLY for the top end of the FA market. It is based on this article ( https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-cost-of-a-win-in-free-agency-in-2020/ ) as well as an older article that he reference a couple times There are two problems here. 1) He is relying on future WAR projections, attempting to quantify the Qualifying Offer silliness (not his silliness... the system's silliness), as well as some other assumptions. All of these things might seem logical on their own but once you roll them all together things get messy and lack real world context. 2) That's not how people are using his work. They are looking at past WAR and saying "based on his 2.3 WAR average the last two seasons he's worth 20M in free agency." -- Spolier Alert: 2.3 WAR players are lucky to get half of that in free agency --. Even for the people that might claim that they are actually saying that player provided 20M in VALUE .... That's not true either. In 2021 MLB payrolls were about $4 Billion and Players provided about 650 positive WAR. So really in that context a "WAR" is worth $6M. ($4B/650), but that's not really what I'm after here. I'm after what is actually happening in free agency and how it correlates to past performance. Here it is. I looked at the top 20 free agents (according to MLB Trade Rumors) from two recent offseasons, looked at their free agent contract AAV, then looked up their WAR from the previous three seasons (fWAR in this case). I looked at it two similar ways. First was just their WAR from the season before free agency, and second I looked at it based on the average of their previous two seasons. Key points: The average is right around $6.0M/WAR (There's that number again) Almost nobody gets 8.0/WAR. If they do it's usually one of two special circumstances. a) They're a RP, or b) they missed a bunch of time which suppressed their WAR in a given season The top end free agents definitely don't get $8/WAR. They are more around $5/WAR Conclusion: We can project future value, make assumptions, and try to account for market factors all we want, but at the end of the day, the numbers are the numbers. We have baseball-wide economics telling us that the value of 1.0WAR is about $6M ($4B/650WAR) and we have front offices signing free agents at about $6M per WAR from previous seasons. Maybe the number we should start using for projecting free agent AAV is $6M, not $8M

Misleading how? The point of using the average is that over time the teams offensive results should bell curve around that average. So far, they haven't. If anything that says the Twins have gotten unlucky with their offensive output distribution, not the point you tried to make, which was that the Twins are actually worse than their scoring average

Thanks for the reply, Brock

I agree with your thesis of "let's call up Alex," but I don't think the covid list is forced 10-day IL stay. It has to do with consecutive days testing negative, right?

A team of all Astudios would be tough to watch and a team of all Keplers would be tough to watch, but a team comprised of a mix of Keplers and Astudios? Appointment viewing.

Since we're giving opinions here, my personal opinion is that I liked it better before the Twins Daily Articles got their own forum. I understand why it was done, but I feel like it has lessened potential traffic and interaction for both TD Official Writers as well as regular posters. I don't feel like there are SO many official articles that it would "bog down" the regular forum. I liked having a mix of official stuff and silly/user generated content. Both are awesome in their own ways and having them in the same place showed that off. But... that's just my opinion.

That would actually be a savage bargaining chip.... "Oh Bally Sports North, you're having problems with your streaming negotiations? Well we're going to just play day games until you figure it out. Talk soon!"

I'll grant you that this season seems worse than normal. But this happens every year.