Why does our front office feel the need to keep mentioning payroll constraints?

[BiggestRoccoFan]

You don't see the rest of the leagues teams making statements about the state of their teams payroll but our front office feels the need to make statements regarding ours.

I wish they would just keep their mouths shut.

[jctwins]

What did you see or hear where? Genuinely asking because I haven't heard this yet. Completely demoralizing yet again to the fan base if true.

[goulik]

As far as trade deadline goes, this should not be a factor. They cut spending based on lack of a tv contract and then at the last minute, signed a tv contract with Bally for one more year. That money is not spent. I can sorta buy payroll constraints argument for longer term contracts but for this year, there is money in the bank that has not been spent on this years payroll. That should be available for a rental even with their "Payroll Constraints"

[Patzky]

Max worked for that.

[akmanak]

Cause they are 1. Horrible owners 2. Greedy 3.Care very little about the team 

[Squirrel]

9 hours ago, BiggestRoccoFan said:

You don't see the rest of the leagues teams making statements about the state of their teams payroll but our front office feels the need to make statements regarding ours.

I wish they would just keep their mouths shut.

Which recent statements are you referring to? Given what they said in the off season, wouldn’t surprise me, but if you have a current link, I’d like to see it.

[mnfireman]

57 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Which recent statements are you referring to? Given what they said in the off season, wouldn’t surprise me, but if you have a current link, I’d like to see it.

From Jeff Passan @ESPN:

Minnesota Twins: Adding and subtracting. Money issues continue to hinder any shot at a big move, and it's why the Twins are an add-and-subtract team and not simply an add team like they ought to be. If the opportunity to acquire a higher-salary player presents itself, they would need to offload salary from their major league roster in that deal or another to cancel out the expense. With infielders Royce Lewis and Jose Miranda, plus reliever Brock Stewart, nearing returns from the injured list, the Twins' greatest deadline additions could come from within. And that's not even including shortstop Carlos Correa, who hit the IL last week after turning in his best first half since 2017.

[ashbury]

18 hours ago, mnfireman said:

From Jeff Passan @ESPN:

Yes we all saw that.  Passan is a good read but he doesn't say anything here to identify it as anything other than his own analysis; it happens to coincide with my own picture of things although that doesn't matter.  But the OP here talked about the team making "statements" in contrast to keeping their "mouths shut".  Are there any links to actual "statements" from FalVine's open mouth? Or Rocco's?  Or even Associate GM Carlos Correa's?

[BiggestRoccoFan]

2 hours ago, Squirrel said:

Which recent statements are you referring to? Given what they said in the off season, wouldn’t surprise me, but if you have a current link, I’d like to see it.

I am talking about what they said about taking on payroll at the trade deadline. If that's what you want to do then fine but why go public about it?

[insagt1]

12 hours ago, BiggestRoccoFan said:

You don't see the rest of the leagues teams making statements about the state of their teams payroll but our front office feels the need to make statements regarding ours.

I wish they would just keep their mouths shut.

Actually many teams constantly whine about payroll. If you're not Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox and a few others, everybody cries poverty it seems.

[Brock Beauchamp]

If you think the Twins are the only team with payroll concerns, you’re not really paying attention to the sport. The Padres had to take out a loan just to make payroll. Lots of teams - Milwaukee, Texas, Arizona - have remained payroll stagnant or gone backwards, all after quite successful seasons. 

[ashbury]

4 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

The Padres had to take out a loan just to make payroll.

Isn't that something that would get a GM (or whatever title-inflated name is given) fired?  A. J. Preller seems to be gainfully employed by the Padres still. But I don't keep up with the news.

[Linus]

If you are just quoting Passen then that isn’t our FO talking. I am unaware of any statements regarding payroll made by the FO or Joe Pohlad in quite some time. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

Isn't that something that would get a GM (or whatever title-inflated name is given) fired?  A. J. Preller seems to be gainfully employed by the Padres still. But I don't keep up with the news.

It was a confluence of events that went wrong, led by former ownership. Peter Seidler was sick and knew he didn't have long to live so he greenlit the Padres' absurd spending over the past several years. And right near the end, Diamond Sports declared bankruptcy and stopped paying the Padres. That left them in a dire situation as they scrambled to cover guaranteed payroll expenses around the end of the 2023 season, IIRC.

[mnfireman]

2 hours ago, ashbury said:

Isn't that something that would get a GM (or whatever title-inflated name is given) fired?  A. J. Preller seems to be gainfully employed by the Padres still. But I don't keep up with the news.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/padres-took-out-a-50mm-loan-in-september-to-cover-payroll.html

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, mnfireman said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/padres-took-out-a-50mm-loan-in-september-to-cover-payroll.html

I see a trenchant point made, down in the comments section of that post from 9 months ago: "How does Preller still have a job?"  😀

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

It was a confluence of events that went wrong, led by former ownership. Peter Seidler was sick and knew he didn't have long to live so he greenlit the Padres' absurd spending over the past several years. And right near the end, Diamond Sports declared bankruptcy and stopped paying the Padres. That left them in a dire situation as they scrambled to cover guaranteed payroll expenses around the end of the 2023 season, IIRC.

If Preller himself didn't take the step, there has to be some drone in the organization with "risk assessment" in their job title, who should have suggested setting up a line of credit, so as to avert a dire situation that results in a scramble.  But I suppose that is 20/20 hindsight. (Which a risk assessment drone on the payroll is supposed to avoid, but I repeat myself.)

[Jocko87]

46 minutes ago, ashbury said:

I see a trenchant point made, down in the comments section of that post from 9 months ago: "How does Preller still have a job?"  😀

The simple answer is because he was executing on the wishes of the dying owner who wanted to go for it. 

Not picking on your post, just echoing a reminder that they don't work for us and when they do things that don't make sense to us it's because they have other priorities that we don't like. 

Meanwhile I see you've said all the right things about this silly post, looks like you've got it covered.  

I am wondering if we are going to see some interviews with these guys, was just looking for any comments from anyone to confirm conjecture.  They are very quiet.  It might just be the best though, considering their hoof in mouth tendancies. 

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

The simple answer is because he was executing on the wishes of the dying owner who wanted to go for it. 

If the dying man's explicit instructions included, "and whatever else you do, make sure you trigger serious cash flow problems before the end of the season," I might absolve the GM of blame.  😀

 

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I am wondering if we are going to see some interviews with these guys, was just looking for any comments from anyone to confirm conjecture.  They are very quiet.  It might just be the best though, considering their hoof in mouth tendancies. 

Oh man. Now you've given me the heebie jeebies at the thought of Dave St. Peter scheduling an off-the-cuff press conference to discuss the trade deadline. "Due to the deadbeat fans this franchise has managed to attract like vermin to a rotting... well, I mean, our fans are bad, and we're fine, let me just leave it at that. It's not our fault, but we're looking to trim a couple million in payroll.  Any GMs out there looking for a washed-up backup infielder? Oh, did I mention the broadcast situation is very much in flux, still?  The fans need to come to the ballpark and watch a couple games in person, instead of sitting on their fat wallets watching the boob tube, I'm trying to say."

[tony&rodney]

Much ado about nothing really. The owners and front office have been quiet.

Preller was following orders to go all in. The owner died, Soto was traded, and the Padres are back to the general pack more or less with payroll. FWIW, San Diego is averaging over 40,000 per game in attendance this year.