Could the Twins Hook a Big-Name Starting Pitcher From Out West?

[Patzky]

1 minute ago, JD-TWINS said:

Pivetta pitches for the Red Sox - they are currently a game behind the Twins and are in line for the Playoffs - not happening.

Fedde would cost a fair amount because of control in ‘25 and I doubt the Twins want to give the Sox a head-start on a re-build …..,.same situation with Detroit and Flaherty. she is only on a one year deal so they are a possibility - I think some Team in the market will give more than Twins would.

I’m still in love with Montgomery from off-season. Could be easier dealing with AZ as they are in the N.L. and they might want to save the $$$ - a third of his $25M????

I hope they address it. We have 60 percent of a very good rotation right now. 

[JD-TWINS]

1 minute ago, Patzky said:

I hope they address it. We have 60 percent of a very good rotation right now. 

SWR is good, IMO - just don’t know if he’ll hold up. With the recent IL decision on Paddack, we probably will get a feel for Festa and a bit more of Varland prior to A-star Break. Should be a window into how desperate they might be.

[bean5302]

4 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

First, if they pitch nearly up to speed - neither of these clubs is incapable of catching the Mariners - not selling arms, either team!

Relying on either of these plus 40 guys in “must perform” situations is good & BAD. Their talent and experience are huge but their propensity to breakdown is way too much in play!!

The “move” is for the Twins to take out the D-Backs the next few days, softening their record & them on a potential trade of Montgomery at the Deadline or sooner. Their recent history (last year) getting to the Series with a blah record in regular season makes this a stretch but it could be a nice fit for player & Twins! …….will D-Backs consider selling????

I'd be targeting Zac Gallen rather than Monty, who has been down on velo this year. Montgomery's last 3 starts have been pretty good, though, so there's reason to keep an eye on him and see. Gallen is a guy the Twins could hang on to another year.

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

If the Twins hadn't thrown money away on positions that were sufficiently filled with in-house players. along with Pohlads throwing in a few million & I wouldn't mind trading away Gonzales for Scherzer & having TEX throw in a few million, it'd be nice to have a healthy Scherzer going into the postseason. It's a fine line & blown money in the offseason, blows our chances of getting a Scherzer.

Not personal, but I don’t get why ANYONE

thinks Texas, who has been paying for & waiting for Sherzer all year, would entertain trading him. They are the defending Champions and they potentially have Tyler Mahle & Jacob deGrom coming in another 4-6 weeks. All they need is pitching with that line-up. Just now coming up to the half way point of the schedule.

I just can’t imagine them moving Sherzer.

[JD-TWINS]

What if the organization flipped the emphasis away from pitching?…….“let’s trade for offense” & make the best of what we have for pitching?

Lee to 3B……Miranda at 3B v. LH pitching

Lewis to DH ……floats on defense a bit….a little SS - maybe some 3B - maybe get some work at 1B?

Castro to the OF to spell Buxton - Kepler - and play fairly regularly in LF

The TRADE is for Luis Arraez to play 2B every day. Tatis just went to the IL & Darvish has a sore elbow……..they don’t love “prospects” but a young arm from AA guy and maybe a Winder/Headrick type could get their interest……..maybe a AA pitcher and Julien and Gonzales?

He’s probably $13M next year…..his OBP and ability to create traffic up front in the line-up would be huge!

Arraez -2B….Castro -LF….Lewis -DH….Kepler -RF….Correa -SS….Lee -3B….Buxton -CF ….Santana -1B….Jeffers -C

That is a long line-up for post trade deadline!!!!

Miranda - Vazquez - Farmer - Larnach is short-term bench…….Martin or Wallner may scoop Farmer’s spot in August?

I mentioned in an earlier post, TWINS are #2 in A.L. since April 21 in Runs Scored behind Yankees. With Arraez Twins rival anyone in baseball with their line-up.

[SwainZag]

49 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

I'd be targeting Zac Gallen rather than Monty, who has been down on velo this year. Montgomery's last 3 starts have been pretty good, though, so there's reason to keep an eye on him and see. Gallen is a guy the Twins could hang on to another year.

I can't imagine the asking price on Gallen.  It has to be astronomical. Top 5 in CYA voting two years in a row, a year and a half of control left and is 28.

Talks probably start with Walker Jenkins plus.

[bean5302]

22 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

I can't imagine the asking price on Gallen.  It has to be astronomical. Top 5 in CYA voting two years in a row, a year and a half of control left and is 28.

Talks probably start with Walker Jenkins plus.

Tough to say. From a surplus value estimate $32MM. I'd imagine he'd probably bring back something similar to Dylan Cease (who had more team control and cost a lot less, but wasn't as reliably good), but probably a bit more.

This isn't like when an elite pitcher with a lot of control is moved.

Padres parted with 1 Top 100, plus their #7 and #8 prospects.

I'd guess Gonzalez + Festa + Raya and maybe Kala'i Rosario or Keaschall. Something like that. If Arizona insisted on a Jenkins/Lee/Rodriquez component, probably drops them into 1 + 2 (10-20s) guys. Smaller package in numbers and quality in the back end of the deal.

[IndianaTwin]

2 hours ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

Dobnak's not on the 40 so someone would have to get the boot. There's a couple of names that readily come to mind, lol, but not sure the Twins would do it for Dobnak.

Jackson already got the boot last week, so there’s a spot open. Also, Stewart could realistically get moved to the 60-day IL. He went on the 15-day on May 3 and likely won’t be back by July 2. 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

12 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

Jackson already got the boot last week, so there’s a spot open. Also, Stewart could realistically get moved to the 60-day IL. He went on the 15-day on May 3 and likely won’t be back by July 2. 

Good call...neglected to remember that.

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

The TRADE is for Luis Arraez to play 2B every day.

That's a huge defensive downgrade without much offensive upside. The Twins don't need to add more infielders.

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, bean5302 said:

Tough to say. From a surplus value estimate $32MM. I'd imagine he'd probably bring back something similar to Dylan Cease (who had more team control and cost a lot less, but wasn't as reliably good), but probably a bit more.

This isn't like when an elite pitcher with a lot of control is moved.

Padres parted with 1 Top 100, plus their #7 and #8 prospects.

I'd guess Gonzalez + Festa + Raya and maybe Kala'i Rosario or Keaschall. Something like that. If Arizona insisted on a Jenkins/Lee/Rodriquez component, probably drops them into 1 + 2 (10-20s) guys. Smaller package in numbers and quality in the back end of the deal.

Raya is top 100, and Keaschell is on some lists, and will be on Fangraphs at season's end. Gonzalez is on some lists. That's 1-3 top 100 guys......

[Doctor Gast]

2 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

Not personal, but I don’t get why ANYONE

thinks Texas, who has been paying for & waiting for Sherzer all year, would entertain trading him. They are the defending Champions and they potentially have Tyler Mahle & Jacob deGrom coming in another 4-6 weeks. All they need is pitching with that line-up. Just now coming up to the half way point of the schedule.

I just can’t imagine them moving Sherzer.

That too

[$tryf4Life]

I can really squint and see the fit. 
Seems far to expensive for this ownership group, and too expensive for the front office (if we don’t take on cash). Add in the injury history and the memory of Mahle and it seems too big of a risk for the price. 

[JD-TWINS]

14 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

That's a huge defensive downgrade without much offensive upside. The Twins don't need to add more infielders.

Seriously? Julien, our starting 2B got sent down while hitting .205 and not hitting a HR for as long as Arraez……right now our Utility guy is stuck at one spot because other options are risky or meager…..could use him in LF and to be able to float as needed.

Arraez v. Julien is pretty much a wash on defense at 2B…..he could play 1B as well v. RH pitching to get Santana off the field as needed when hitting from left side.

His OBP is .350 and his OPS+ is 112. He can lead off, bat second, or even hit in 5 hole and drive somebody in about 50% of his opportunities.

[DJL44]

9 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

Arraez v. Julien is pretty much a wash on defense at 2B…..he could play 1B as well v. RH pitching to get Santana off the field as needed when hitting from left side.

Arraez has been the worst fielding 2B in the majors this year.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, DJL44 said:

Arraez has been the worst fielding 2B in the majors this year.

Ya, there is no "wash" there at all. 

You don't deal long term assets for a 2B who has zero power and can't field at all when you have Julien and Lee in AAA and Castro in MN. 

[JD-TWINS]

3 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

Arraez has been the worst fielding 2B in the majors this year.

DH him - play him at 1B - where’s Eddie this year…..doubtful he’s pushing for a Gold Glove.

[JD-TWINS]

3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Ya, there is no "wash" there at all. 

You don't deal long term assets for a 2B who has zero power and can't field at all when you have Julien and Lee in AAA and Castro in MN. 

We have found out that Lee has a long term back issue and Julien forgot how to conduct himself in the batter’s box………Castro can play LF 70% of the time if he needs a spot w/o disrupting anything.

Gonzales is a prospect that may help the Team in 2028…..moving a prospect arm (AA or A) and/or a guy that has experience in the Show to get an offensive threat seems like a logical move. Boushley - Winder - Headrick are all options, that as individuals, don’t sting the organization at all with their absence.

How excited would Correa - Miranda - Buxton - Kepler be knowing Arraez was along side them down the stretch?

He’s got 104 hits (most AB’s too) …..it’s like adding Volpe of Yankees into the line-up (not the speed nor defense) - Arraez hits 50 points higher ….. his OBP is 20 points higher …..OPS+ is 4 points higher. There’s no terrible downside.

[nicksaviking]

The Cubs probably have more starting pitching than required for a 70 win club. They have several interesting controllable arms the Twins might be able to match up on. Outside of Kyle Hendricks, I could be convinced to like any of them to one degree or another.

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, JD-TWINS said:

We have found out that Lee has a long term back issue and Julien forgot how to conduct himself in the batter’s box………Castro can play LF 70% of the time if he needs a spot w/o disrupting anything.

Gonzales is a prospect that may help the Team in 2028…..moving a prospect arm (AA or A) and/or a guy that has experience in the Show to get an offensive threat seems like a logical move. Boushley - Winder - Headrick are all options, that as individuals, don’t sting the organization at all with their absence.

How excited would Correa - Miranda - Buxton - Kepler be knowing Arraez was along side them down the stretch?

He’s got 104 hits (most AB’s too) …..it’s like adding Volpe of Yankees into the line-up (not the speed nor defense) - Arraez hits 50 points higher ….. his OBP is 20 points higher …..OPS+ is 4 points higher. There’s no terrible downside.

boushley winder headrick are options for what? DFA? They aren't netting ANYTHING in a trade. 

[73 Hawk]

that would be a big fat NO........they are on the down side......rather go with rookies

 

[DJL44]

27 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

DH him - play him at 1B - where’s Eddie this year…..doubtful he’s pushing for a Gold Glove.

Miranda has been a better option than Arraez this season if you're looking for a DH or 1B.

The Twins are 7th in wOBA (and trending up since adding Lewis). They don't have room for Wallner, Kirilloff, Julien or Lee on the 26 man roster. If they want to add a DH bat they should look for someone like JD Martinez who can really hit, not Arraez.

[JD-TWINS]

4 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

boushley winder headrick are options for what? DFA? They aren't netting ANYTHING in a trade. 

I forgot you are a retired GM

[JD-TWINS]

3 hours ago, DJL44 said:

Miranda has been a better option than Arraez this season if you're looking for a DH or 1B.

The Twins are 7th in wOBA (and trending up since adding Lewis). They don't have room for Wallner, Kirilloff, Julien or Lee on the 26 man roster. If they want to add a DH bat they should look for someone like JD Martinez who can really hit, not Arraez.

How is the guy leading the Game in hits not  able to hit?

Julien - Wallner - Kirilloff are the guys that can’t hit.

[bean5302]

5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Raya is top 100, and Keaschell is on some lists, and will be on Fangraphs at season's end. Gonzalez is on some lists. That's 1-3 top 100 guys......

With Keaschall, Fangraphs talked about him being borderline (like 50 other guys). At the time the Fangraphs update came out, Keaschell was hitting at an exceptional wRC+ 171 in A+. He's since been promoted to AA and continued to hit well, but the production has fallen off a bit to still very good wRC+ 140. It's inflated with a .397 BABIP, though. Fangraphs noted Keaschell will need to get his defense up quite a bit in CF to solidify his top 100 status.

Raya is in nobody's top 100 anymore. He's probably not even top 200 at this point since he's still capped in the 50s for pitch count. MIRP is what he projects as now.

Gonzalez is going to be questionable for anybody's mid season top 100 updates as he was already in that border group, but he's lost a huge chunk of the season with a back injury. Good news is he's begun a rehab assignment as of 4 days ago. He's going to be rusty AF, but hopefully, he's got a wire wheel and some Evaporust he can use

None of the 3 should be viewed as solidly accepted top 100 prospects right now, and Keaschall is probably the only one with a fair chance at appearing on a list after the draft.
 

[cmoss84]

8 hours ago, bean5302 said:

I'd be targeting Zac Gallen rather than Monty, who has been down on velo this year. Montgomery's last 3 starts have been pretty good, though, so there's reason to keep an eye on him and see. Gallen is a guy the Twins could hang on to another year.

Arizona fans would be mighty pissed if they traded Gallon for anything less than...2 gallons.

[mark sills]

21 hours ago, bighat said:

No need. 

Bring up Zebby and bring up Zebby NOW.

Bring up Fiesta and give him a chance replace fiesta with zebby in triple a and see if he continues 

perfection.

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, mark sills said:

Bring up Fiesta and give him a chance replace fiesta with zebby in triple a and see if he continues 

perfection.

Rolls Royce, Austin Martin and Fiesta, makes sense.

[IndianaTwin]

12 hours ago, DJL44 said:

Rolls Royce, Austin Martin and Fiesta, makes sense.

Please not a Ford Fiesta. 

[bean5302]

1 hour ago, IndianaTwin said:

Please not a Ford Fiesta. 

They're neat little cars. Too bad about their TCMs...