Jenkins…signed?

[AlwaysinModeration]

Don’t the Twins have until tomorrow to sign Jenkins?

I’d like to assume that this delay is simply about trying to get one of the two late HS draft picks to sign,..but seems like it is a bit down to the wire.

[ashbury]

59 minutes ago, AlwaysinModeration said:

Don’t the Twins have until tomorrow to sign Jenkins?

I’d like to assume that this delay is simply about trying to get one of the two late HS draft picks to sign,..but seems like it is a bit down to the wire.

5 p.m. ET on Tuesday, July 25. 

[Squirrel]

I find it a bit concerning. It would be bad to not sign their #1 pick

[AlwaysinModeration]

42 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

I find it a bit concerning. It would be bad to not sign their #1 pick

I don’t think there is any concern that he’ll sign.  He went top five and will get a check for $6mm+.  It seems unlikely he would pass on that for a chance to…go #1 in three years?

I think the fact that he hasn’t signed (only first rounder not to sign yet?) might actually be a good thing—it means that the Twins might still be working out a way to sign one of the two prep kids they drafted in the 19th/20th.  I think there is a scenario where they can offer them upwards of $1.5mm, whichever takes it first gets it.  If neither bites, Jenkins will get full slot.  If one takes it, Jenkins will get something like $6.5mm.

[Cornholio]

Didn’t Jenkins say he really wanted to go to UNC? I would assume it will take over slot to sign him, as it has been stated over and over how he would be #1 most years. If he doesn’t sign, do the Twins get the #6 pick next year, or has that rule changed?

[wabene]

Jenkins got as lucky as the Twins with the lotto win. He gets to go to a middling organization as opposed to a perennial cellar dweller.

 

I'm very biased

[Hawkeye Bean Counter]

I don't think they will significantly underpay Jenkins.  They may save a little bit, but my guess is they are fairly locked in on the contract.  I wouldn't want to lose Jenkins to get the 19 or 20 prospect.  

[Mike Sixel]

If they don't sign him, I'm even more done with the FO.... But I think they will. 

[mnfireman]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

If they don't sign him, I'm even more done with the Boras.... But I think they will. 

ftfy...

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, mnfireman said:

ftfy...

That has zero to do with this. Zero. It is their job to sign him. Zero to do with the agent. 

[mnfireman]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

That has zero to do with this. Zero. It is their job to sign him. Zero to do with the agent. 

If they are willing to pay slot value then it is no longer on the FO, $6-7 MM is ALOT of $$$. 

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

If they are willing to pay slot value then it is no longer on the FO, $6-7 MM is ALOT of $$$. 

They should have known his price when picking him. And, so what? It is their job to sign him. 

[TNtwins85]

On G&G they were talking about Boras wanting to make the rounds and possibly trying to squeeze on the 5% overage allowance. Seems like something Boras would do but even then. Sign the kid. The most respected scout in twins history gave him an 8. You go over for that and get him to Florida!

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

4pm tomorrow? Then this will (or should) be a story for 22 more hours, max 🙂 

a 19/20 round pick or prospect or whoever they are are very nice ballplayers, and will dominate rec leagues for the rest of their lives, but in this context they don’t have much leverage. 

[Twinsoholic]

Is it possible there is a problem with his physical exam that is delaying the signing? On draft day Chief expressed concern about Jenkins’ health history. If the Twins do not sign Jenkins, the Twins get the #6 selection in round 1 as well as their regular first round slot pick. 

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, Twinsoholic said:

Is it possible there is a problem with his physical exam that is delaying the signing? On draft day Chief expressed concern about Jenkins’ health history. If the Twins do not sign Jenkins, the Twins get the #6 selection in round 1 as well as their regular first round slot pick. 

Which would be awful. The sixth pick next year won't be nearly as highly ranked as the tenth pick this year. Also, we are going on chiefs medical knowledge?

[Twinsoholic]

I am just wondering if there could be a medical red flag that has delayed the signing. Whether Chief was correct or not about Jenkins’s health is less the issue. I do recall, however, that he was skeptical about the selection of Jenkins. I hope there is no medical problem and that Jenkins signs. But, because he has not signed yet, I started to wonder about possible causes for the delay. Possible health concern came to mind. The MLB draft is often a crap shoot. There is no guarantee that the 6th pick is better than the 15th, or that the 3rd is better than the 7th, etc. 

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, Twinsoholic said:

I am just wondering if there could be a medical red flag that has delayed the signing. Whether Chief was correct or not about Jenkins’s health is less the issue. I do recall, however, that he was skeptical about the selection of Jenkins. I hope there is no medical problem and that Jenkins signs. But, because he has not signed yet, I started to wonder about possible causes for the delay. Possible health concern came to mind. The MLB draft is often a crap shoot. There is no guarantee that the 6th pick is better than the 15th, or that the 3rd is better than the 7th, etc. 

I didn't say better, I said highly rated. And yes, generally earlier picks are better than later picks, even if it is fairly random after round two. If there was a health issue, we e have heard by now, from one of the strib writers. 

[TaterTot]

Just thinking, it is only hours away from the deadline, so if the twins want him, they have to make their move NOW.

[tony&rodney]

Someone said that Jenkins has removed all Twins content from his IG. I don't know that it is true because I don't do IG.

Something is amiss however because there has been zero news, rumors, or reports/comments. Seems odd. We shall see.

[USAFChief]

16 hours ago, AlwaysinModeration said:

I don’t think there is any concern that he’ll sign.  He went top five and will get a check for $6mm+.  It seems unlikely he would pass on that for a chance to…go #1 in three years?

I think the fact that he hasn’t signed (only first rounder not to sign yet?) might actually be a good thing—it means that the Twins might still be working out a way to sign one of the two prep kids they drafted in the 19th/20th.  I think there is a scenario where they can offer them upwards of $1.5mm, whichever takes it first gets it.  If neither bites, Jenkins will get full slot.  If one takes it, Jenkins will get something like $6.5mm.

Wait...you think they haven't signed Jenkins because they've told him, "we're giving a million of your bonus to the 19th pick if he wants it. You'll still get 6.5. Otherwise we'll give you 7.5 mil. OK?"

 

And you think Jenkins said "OK. Let me know by Tuesday."

 

That seems implausible, don't you think?

[AlwaysinModeration]

4 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Wait...you think they haven't signed Jenkins because they've told him, "we're giving a million of your bonus to the 19th pick if he wants it. You'll still get 6.5. Otherwise we'll give you 7.5 mil. OK?"

 

And you think Jenkins said "OK. Let me know by Tuesday."

 

That seems implausible, don't you think?

This is what happens all of the time.  While each pick comes with an assigned amount, 90% of picks sign under that amount, and especially near the top of the draft.  Brooks Lee signed last year for less than slot.  Noble Meyer got $1.5mm less than slot and the Marlins gave it all plus more to Thomas White.  Paul Skenes signed for $500K less than slot (while getting the highest signing bonus ever).

So, yes, I think it plausible that the Twins could sign Jenkins for $6.5mm, which is $600K less than the $7.1mm slot, and give that savings to another prep player they drafted.  I don’t know if it will happen, but it’s entirely plausible, because that’s how the draft works with the fungible draft pools.

[SteveLV]

Boy, this would be a MAJOR letdown if the Twins can't sign Jenkins.

The only sources of solace would be if they can sign both the late picks with the extra bonus money and then pick wisely next year at 6.

But, man, that would be such a disappointment.  I would love to be the fly on the wall on these negotiations to get the real scoop.

[wabene]

[mnfireman]

Upon further research, there is no reason to to give picks 19 & 20 more than $150,000 signing bonus, the max allowed to not count against the bonus pool. So those of you thinking the team is willing to pay millions of $$$ for these 2 picks and that will drop the amount offered to Jenkins should report to medical immediately with your sample cup. The Twins have $7.3 MM left in their bonus pool, that is slot value for the #5 pick this year.

If there are medical concerns (not a first for a Boras client) and the team is trying to offer less that is one thing, but if Boras is trying to negotiate more for his client because he believes he should have went higher, that is another. He was selected 5th and the team selecting him has the amount pegged for that position left in their bonus pool, he should sign. 

If he is using UNC as a bargaining chip, that is a big gamble ($7 MM big). He could get hurt, he could have a bad college career, he could fall further down the draft board because of another loaded draft or other factors.

[Hawkeye Bean Counter]

20 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

If they don't sign him, I'm even more done with the FO.... But I think they will. 

 

18 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

That has zero to do with this. Zero. It is their job to sign him. Zero to do with the agent. 

A managements job is to do what is best for the organization.   If more information came out to no longer make the deal worthwhile, it is better to take the PR hit and get a #6 draft pick next year.  No it is not great, but it is not a total loss either.  It could be the Twins are trying to get a below market deal and then still complete the signing and possible get one of the late round picks.   It could be they are more willing to just wait until next year.  In either case the Twins seem like one of the most lenient teams with medicals but are also willing to do a fair deal.  Ultimately I think a deal gets done if this is the case and it is a medical issue.  Just look at the Mets with the Rocker situation.  The Mets wanted to decrease the salary on Rocker below the 6 million,  Rocker refused.  Rocker ended up getting a 5.2 million bonus last year and the Mets got Parada.  Overall worked out ok for both the player and the team.  

However,  more likely than not it has nothing to do with the medicals and it is all about Boras trying to get more money for his client which is 100% to do with the agent.  The Twins can wait him out and sign at the deadline.  If this is the case I am completely fine with the Twins letting this drag out.  Boras has done this multiple times before.   The Twins are very good and being professional so ultimately I think something gets done and they don't burn a bridge with Boras or players.  

[mnfireman]

2 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

Upon further research, there is no reason to to give picks 19 & 20 more than $150,000 signing bonus, the max allowed to not count against the bonus pool. So those of you thinking the team is willing to pay millions of $$$ for these 2 picks and that will drop the amount offered to Jenkins should report to medical immediately with your sample cup. The Twins have $7.3 MM left in their bonus pool, that is slot value for the #5 pick this year.

If there are medical concerns (not a first for a Boras client) and the team is trying to offer less that is one thing, but if Boras is trying to negotiate more for his client because he believes he should have went higher, that is another. He was selected 5th and the team selecting him has the amount pegged for that position left in their bonus pool, he should sign. 

If he is using UNC as a bargaining chip, that is a big gamble ($7 MM big). He could get hurt, he could have a bad college career, he could fall further down the draft board because of another loaded draft or other factors.

Sounds like he is going sign:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/report-twins-first-round-pick-walker-jenkins-will-beat-signing-deadline/ar-AA1ekObm

[wabene]

Achem ^^^^^^^^

Edit: Oh I get it these guys all have me blocked, lol. 

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, mnfireman said:

Upon further research, there is no reason to to give picks 19 & 20 more than $150,000 signing bonus, the max allowed to not count against the bonus pool. So those of you thinking the team is willing to pay millions of $$$ for these 2 picks and that will drop the amount offered to Jenkins should report to medical immediately with your sample cup. The Twins have $7.3 MM left in their bonus pool, that is slot value for the #5 pick this year.

If there are medical concerns (not a first for a Boras client) and the team is trying to offer less that is one thing, but if Boras is trying to negotiate more for his client because he believes he should have went higher, that is another. He was selected 5th and the team selecting him has the amount pegged for that position left in their bonus pool, he should sign. 

If he is using UNC as a bargaining chip, that is a big gamble ($7 MM big). He could get hurt, he could have a bad college career, he could fall further down the draft board because of another loaded draft or other factors.

They are HS kids that will go to college if they aren't given big money.....

Looks like this much ado about nothing, though, as Gleeman is saying he's in MN and signing. Phew.

[USAFChief]

MLBTR report:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/twins-sign-first-rounder-walker-jenkins.html