Twins trade Rogers, Rooker to Padres for Paddack, Pagan

[Vanimal46]

Work your magic, Wes. 

[shortround81]

21 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Say what you will about this front office but they’re certainly not boring.

 

[Obsvr]

Preller is a notable for selling low.  I love this deal...Rooker was expendable and Rogers wasn't going to be the piece that makes or breaks this season.

Really think this FO is coming into their own.

 

[Squirrel]

I’m still on the fence about this … I want to see the final roster. With Rooker out of the equation, do they just go with Gordon as our 4th OF and carry yet another pitcher for the next month and see what sticks?

[shortround81]

With Joe Ryan going with the mullet it looks like Chris Paddack is taking up the flow mantle 

[Squirrel]

10 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

With Joe Ryan going with the mullet it looks like Chris Paddack is taking up the flow mantle 

Maybe he will inspire Ryan to bring his flow back …I hope so

[bunsen82]

I wonder if the Twins will be going to more of a Tampa Bay model this year.  Lots of pitchers that can go 2-3 innings an outing.  I think they were worried about filling out enough innings.  With as many question marks as we have,  and the likelihood they can only go 2-3 innings to start the season,  this is likely a smart move for Rodgers 60-80 innings this year with additional control.  As an aside I doubt Manea was the target we were looking at.  

[shortround81]

1 minute ago, Squirrel said:

Maybe he will inspire Ryan to bring his flow back …I hope so

Get Dustin Morse on the horn! Remember "Joe Mauer Sideburns Night"?? There could be a hair extensions giveaway!!

[Giles Ferrell]

I get the service time stuff, but still hard to get behind this trade. Hope I'm wrong this summer. 

[Number3]

Southpaws who can fog a mirror are hard to come by. Rogers is a southpaw who can do more than just fog a mirror and they let him go for 2 right handers. Twins snookered again.

[shortround81]

I knew I had seen this kid before. (NSFW: There's language.) 

It's Not Up!

BTW, Jomboy has basically become The Simpsons. You haven't officially made it until he makes a video about you

[CRF]

Reportedly the final version of the trade also includes us sending some cash to SD, and we get the infamous "PTBNL". 

[goulik]

10 minutes ago, CRF said:

Reportedly the final version of the trade also includes us sending some cash to SD, and we get the infamous "PTBNL". 

Ooooo PTBNL.... MLB version of a disappointing sequel that comes out after much delay

[Squirrel]

12 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

I knew I had seen this kid before. (NSFW: There's language.) 

It's Not Up!

BTW, Jomboy has basically become The Simpsons. You haven't officially made it until he makes a video about you

That wasn’t exactly an inspiring Paddock moment, but the face in glove stuff, lol

[gratefulgopher93]

At this point, I am rolling with the front office. They couldn’t sign Correa and do nothing. Relievers are volatile. I’m glad they’re building for now and the future. Let’s pray those stem cells fixed that elbow for good. 

[shortround81]

Just now, Squirrel said:

That wasn’t exactly an inspiring Paddock moment, but the face in glove stuff, lol

Yeah, at the time it's like, "Calm down and pitch, kid" but now he's on the roster maybe it's like, "He's a bulldog".

I love Jomboy! ?

[Otto von Ballpark]

This trade puts Rogers in his "home" division (Colorado native), along with his brother in San Fran.

[goulik]

Ok, Ill express my opinion...

Giving up 1 year of an aging reliever that we are not sure will be the guy we knew and an outfielder that hasn't fully latched on and will soon be pushed aside by Larnach and others in AAA for 3 seasons of 2 young pitchers is definitely a good move. Now it is up to the coaching to unlock and unleash the potential of those (and many other) young pitchers. 

This leadership team was brought in as pitching guru's to change the course of Minnesota baseball and develop young pitchers and create a pitching pipeline. This to me is a make or break year on this whole plan. Either we are surprised by the wonderful results of several (not necessarily all) young pitchers and reclamation projects or this year will go up in flames. The proof will be in the pudding. One more day to wait for them to start proving it.

*EDIT* Ok, Pagan isn't young... guess I should have looked closer at his bio before writing this...

[tony&rodney]

13 minutes ago, goulik said:

This leadership team was brought in as pitching guru's to change the course of Minnesota baseball and develop young pitchers and create a pitching pipeline.

Yes, and as a few others have stated, so was the guy in Milwaukee. 

[USAFChief]

21 minutes ago, goulik said:

Ok, Ill express my opinion...

Giving up 1 year of an aging reliever that we are not sure will be the guy we knew and an outfielder that hasn't fully latched on and will soon be pushed aside by Larnach and others in AAA for 3 seasons of 2 young pitchers is definitely a good move. Now it is up to the coaching to unlock and unleash the potential of those (and many other) young pitchers. 

This leadership team was brought in as pitching guru's to change the course of Minnesota baseball and develop young pitchers and create a pitching pipeline. This to me is a make or break year on this whole plan. Either we are surprised by the wonderful results of several (not necessarily all) young pitchers and reclamation projects or this year will go up in flames. The proof will be in the pudding. One more day to wait for them to start proving it.

"2 young pitchers"??

 

Pagan is 30 years old. 31 in a month. 

 

The "aging" Rogers is 31.

[Otto von Ballpark]

18 minutes ago, goulik said:

Giving up 1 year of an aging reliever that we are not sure will be the guy we knew and an outfielder that hasn't fully latched on and will soon be pushed aside by Larnach and others in AAA for 3 seasons of 2 young pitchers is definitely a good move.

Rogers and Pagan are virtually the same age -- Rogers turned 31 in December, Pagan will turn 31 in May. Pagan does have 1 more year of team control, due to reaching MLB 1 year later. (Although if Pagan doesn't improve upon his 2020-2021 performances, he's a likely non-tender candidate for that final arbitration season.)

[Otto von Ballpark]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

"2 young pitchers"??

 

Pagan is 30 years old. 31 in a month. 

Maybe the PTBNL hasn't been born yet.

[James]

1 hour ago, CRF said:

They were reportedly still in talks with the A's for Montas yesterday, but I suppose that one is a dead issue now. 

I don't think it means that yet. This move would not prevent a deal for Montas.  If the A's made an offer the the Twins that was acceptable, they'd still do it regardless of this move.  

I have a sense that the A's are going to wait until closer to the trade deadline to move Montas anyway. 

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, shortround81 said:

I knew I had seen this kid before. (NSFW: There's language.) 

It's Not Up!

BTW, Jomboy has basically become The Simpsons. You haven't officially made it until he makes a video about you

Thank you.  Enjoyable, in a MST3K way.

[Otto von Ballpark]

20 minutes ago, James said:

If the A's made an offer the the Twins that was acceptable, they'd still do it regardless of this move.  

The Paddack move is a clue that the Twins think an acceptable A's offer is unlikely, at least in the near term. (Maybe a deadline deal, as you say.)

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, shortround81 said:

 

Problem with this analysis is that it counts the free agents coming in (Correa, Smith, Archer, Bundy) but the Out column doesn't list Simmons, Pineda, Astudillo and whoever else I am forgetting.  And of course the shiny new additions will always look better than the known quantities departing.  If the list as given implies there's this massive influx of major leaguers, it's a little skewed.

[Vanimal46]

Twins are taking on $6.6 million of Rogers’ salary. Essentially the Padres are paying him the minimum. Strange. 

[shortround81]

7 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Problem with this analysis is that it counts the free agents coming in (Correa, Smith, Archer, Bundy) but in the Out column doesn't list Simmons, Pineda, Astudillo and whoever else I am forgetting.  And of course the shiny new additions will always look better than the known quantities departing.  If the list as given implies there's this massive influx of major leaguers, it's a little skewed.

Good point! I'm wondering why Park didn't include offseason FA departures and just focused on essentially Spring trades

[ashbury]

15 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

Good point! I'm wondering why Park didn't include offseason FA departures and just focused on essentially Spring trades

He works on a deadline and didn't have the luxury of mulling over how it looked before pressing Post.

[Riverbrian]

32 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Problem with this analysis is that it counts the free agents coming in (Correa, Smith, Archer, Bundy) but in the Out column doesn't list Simmons, Pineda, Astudillo and whoever else I am forgetting.  And of course the shiny new additions will always look better than the known quantities departing.  If the list as given implies there's this massive influx of major leaguers, it's a little skewed.

As far as I'm concerned... Simmons never did exist.