Thiéres Rabelo Twins Daily Contributor Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 If we were to say who is the best player born in each of the states to ever play for the Twins, who would they be? I decided to do a quick research about this and came up with a rank, based on players’ birthplaces.I tried to choose the most relevant players born in each state to play for the Twins, rather than every single one of them. Because of that, several states will not appear on this list. Also, since these rankings are based only on players’ birthplaces, one very noticeable absence will be Twins great Bert Blyleven, who was born in the Netherlands, to Dutch parents who shortly thereafter moved to the U.S. and raised him in California. Then, I ranked the players of each state by their career bWAR (Wins Above Replacement from Baseball Reference) while with the Twins. The reason for using WAR is solely to simplify things a bit, since it is supposed to be a global metric. I also included some current Twins that I believe have a shot at climbing up their state ranks once their careers are finished. If I perhaps forgot anyone that you consider relevant enough to make one of the lists, please feel encouraged to mention them in the comments section. Also, weigh in on the bigger states discussions, saying who you think is the best. I separated the top five states in number of players, to be discussed. CaliforniaRoy Smalley - 20.8 WARTom Brunansky - 16.1 WARRick Aguilera - 15.5 WARJacque Jones - 11.9 WARJim Merritt - 11.3 WARGary Ward - 10.6 WARNick Punto - 10.3 WAREddie Guardado - 9.5 WARTrevor Plouffe - 8.0 WARDan Gladden - 5.7 WARPhil Hughes - 5.7 WAR Cali is, by far, the state that has produced the most MLB talent in history. A total of 2,311 Californian ball players made it to the big leagues. Here I found 11 who wore the Twins uniform for a significant amount of time and one thing in particular called my attention the most. How low Gladden’s WAR with the Twins was. Maybe it’s because I didn’t actually see him play on a daily basis, but I always had the impression that this number would be higher. That doesn’t change, at all, his importance in the history of the club. I would give the edge as the best from this list to Aguilera. His first stint with Minnesota was incredibly dominant, resulting in three All-Star Game selections and even MVP votes in 1991. That same year, he was one of the key-factors during the postseason, allowing only one earned run, getting five saves and a crucial game 6 win. Overall, he logged over 500 innings of relief for Minnesota (second most, behind the 579 from fellow Californian Guardado), maintaining a 3.12 ERA. Smalley, Burnansky and Gladden were also invaluable pieces for that 80’s team, but I have the impression that Aguilera’s performance were a bit more impressive. FloridaDenard Span - 17.2 bWARDoug Corbett - 8.3 bWARMudcat Grant - 5.9 bWARJosh Donaldson - has yet to play I believe it’s a given to say that Span was the most relevant player from the Florida list. He was drafted and developed by the Twins, being a part of the organization for nearly ten years. During that time, he lived the final years of the victorious 2000’s team and transitioned into the beginning of the dark years. He was one of the few bright spots of the club in 2011 (cut short due to a concussion) and 2012, relying on his speed and aggressiveness running the bases, combined with a slightly above average hitting (104 wRC+ in Minnesota) and very decent on-base percentage (.357). I added Donaldson to the list because I believe he’s bound to reach at least Corbett, an early 80’s rookie sensation relief pitcher, who made the All-Star Game in his second year, before being involved in a trade with the Angels that would bring Brunansky to Minnesota. Looking back at Donaldson’s past three seasons, he was worth 11.2 WAR. If you include a fourth one to the mix, it goes up to 18.5. And that includes his terrible, injury-plagued 2018. So, expect the Bringer of Rain to climb the ladder. IllinoisKirby Puckett - 51.1 WARGary Gaetti - 27.2 WARJohn Castino - 15.2 WARJake Odorizzi - 4.7 WARJim Thome - 4.5 WAR Absolutely nothing to argue about who’s the best here. But my question to you is where can Odorizzi get on that list? Assuming, of course, he signs a longer contract with the Twins, could he surpass Castino? TexasChuck Knoblauch - 38.0 WARJoe Nathan - 18.4 WARKevin Slowey - 4.4 WARRyan Pressly - 3.6 WAR Nathan is a no-brainer here, because of how badly Knoblauch ended his tenure in Minnesota. But, looking at both his performances on the field, I think it’s closer than you might think. Before demanding a trade in 1997 and then , Knoblauch was the ray of sunshine in a very bad team. He was elected Rookie of the Year in 1991 and selected to four All-Star Games through the 90’s. But, yeah, the prize here goes to the best reliever in team history. MinnesotaJoe Mauer - 55.3 WARKent Hrbek - 38.6 WARDave Goltz - 24.5 WARJerry Koosman - 11.0 WARGlen Perkins - 8.9 WARPaul Molitor - 5.2 WARJack Morris - 4.3 WAR I saved the best for last. Just like Illinois, I don’t think there’s much to argue about the top seed. But, boy, can we have fan arguing about the rest! OK, I’ll go out on a limb here and place Morris on second and… Hrbek at third. Morris’s World Series show in 1991, as well as his fantastic regular season, are gold for me. I love Hrbek, obviously, and his career was amazing. But I’ve got to go with Morris’ historical 1991 season. It hurts to not include Perkins in the podium, though. But in my personal ranking, he’s a close fourth. Any surprises so far? Which would be your picks? Have I forgotten anyone important for you? Comment and let us know. Also, here are the other states lists. AlabamaAl Worthington - 10.0 WARJosh Willingham - 4.8 WARDelmon Young - 1.0 WAR ArizonaJ.J. Hardy - 1.3 WAR ArkansasTorii Hunter - 26.4 WAR ColoradoTaylor Rogers - 6.4 WAR ConnecticutCarl Pavano - 5.8 WAR DelawareRandy Bush - 1.4 WAR GeorgiaByron Buxton - 9.8 WARBen Revere - 3.2 WAR HawaiiKurt Suzuki - 3.3 WAR IdahoHarmon Killebrew - 60.5 WAR IndianaKyle Gibson - 9.4 WARLaTroy Hawkins - 8.1 WAR IowaKevin Tapani - 19.1 WAR KentuckyTyler Clippard - has yet to play LouisianaScott Baker - 15.8 WAR MassachusettsGreg Gagne - 17.9 WARJeff Reardon - 4.2 WARSteve Lombardozzi - 4.0 WAR MichiganJim Kaat - 30.6 WARJoe Mays - 10.7 WAR MississippiBrian Dozier - 22.7 WAR MissouriBob Allison - 30.6 WARAl Newman - 2.1 WAR NevadaBrandon Kintzler - 2.3 WAR New MexicoMitch Garver - 5.1 WAR New YorkFrank Viola - 27.0 WARA.J. Pierzynski - 9.5 WAR North CarolinaJim Perry - 26.3 WARTom Hall - 6.7 WARZack Littell - 0.4 WAR OhioLarry Hisle - 17.2 WARDean Chance - 13.1 WARDoug Mientkiewicz - 6.4 WAR PennsylvaniaButch Wynegar - 15.3 WAR VirginiaMichael Cuddyer - 12.8 WARJake Cave - 2.6 WAR WashingtonTrevor May - 2.1 WAR WisconsinBrad Radke - 45.6 WAR MORE FROM TWINS DAILY— Latest Twins coverage from our writers— Recent Twins discussion in our forums— Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email Click here to view the article glunn and brockbesler 2
gil4 Verified Member Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 This was fun to go through. Are the Twins the only team with more WAR from Idaho than Florida? I didn't know Pavano was from my home state (Connecticut). The only names that came to mind were former manager Billy Gardner (I umpired with his son when I was 18/19 years old) and former GM Bill Smith (I had to watch my comments during that era because his mother was in my dad's bridge club. I don't know if he was actually from there or if she had relocated.)Now if the Twins had drafted Bagwell (or had a 40-tr-old reliever to send to the Red Sox to trade for him), Connecticut might have given Idaho a run for the money. Joey P, Thiéres Rabelo and glunn 3
brockbesler Verified Member Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 Jason Kubel was born in Belle Fourche, SD. I just noticed there were no Twins listed for South Dakota. It was a fun list to look through though! Thanks for putting this together. Thiéres Rabelo, glunn and twinsfansd 3
Otwins Verified Member Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 Brian Duensing is from Nebraska and no Twins listed from there either. I thought Dave Winfield would be listed from Minnesota. It is a fun list Thiéres Rabelo and glunn 2
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 Brian Duensing is from Nebraska and no Twins listed from there either. I thought Dave Winfield would be listed from Minnesota. It is a fun listThis list only counts WAR accumulated in a Twins uniform. Winfield only had .3 WAR over two seasons with the Twins at the end of his career. Thiéres Rabelo, Nine of twelve and JDubs 3
nclahammer Verified Member Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 What a fun list to follow, thanks for your work in putting this together. Very enjoyable. Thiéres Rabelo 1
chinmusic Verified Member Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 Cool and inventive post. thanks for that! If using "relevance" specifically, I'd say Mudcat Grant got somewhat ripped off. In 1965, he went 21-7, and pitched 2 complete game victories in the World Series, which the Dodgers won in 7. Even hit a 3 run bomba in game 6. I could barely remember Doug Corbett. To be fair, he was a reliever, and made the all star team in one of his 3 twins seasons. However WAR or no WAR, Grant has way more relevance in Twins history. Joey P, Nine of twelve and Thiéres Rabelo 3
Dantes929 Verified Member Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 This list only counts WAR accumulated in a Twins uniform.Winfield only had .3 WAR over two seasons with the Twins at the end of his career.Being from central Mn I thought of Tom Burgmeier who pitched for St. Cloud Cathedral. I remember him being quite good and he did have a career OPS+ of 119 and 17.5 WAR Alas, my memory is faulty since most of that was done for Boston. Thiéres Rabelo 1
Dantes929 Verified Member Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 This list only counts WAR accumulated in a Twins uniform.Winfield only had .3 WAR over two seasons with the Twins at the end of his career.Shane Mack born in California but didn't make the list with 19.6 WAR in 4.5 seasons?
BobAzar Verified Member Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 I didnt realize Radke was from WI. Thats unfortunate... puckstopper1 and Thiéres Rabelo 2
goulik Verified Member Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 This list made me realize how much greatness is fromoutside the US. Omitted from the post are Bert Blyleven, Tony Oliva, Rod Carew andJohan Santana Twins bests from Cuba,Panama,Venezuela and Netherlands. Also some of our biggest names ever. Thiéres Rabelo and Nine of twelve 2
Thiéres Rabelo Twins Daily Contributor Posted April 27, 2020 Author Posted April 27, 2020 Thanks for your kind words, guys! Sorry about the ones I didn't remember (man, how could I have forgetten Kubel?!). I too had a lot of fun writing this. VOMG 1
Nine of twelve Verified Member Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 This list made me realize how much greatness is fromoutside the US. Omitted from the post are Bert Blyleven, Tony Oliva, Rod Carew andJohan Santana Twins bests from Cuba,Panama,Venezuela and Netherlands. Also some of our biggest names ever.Don't forget Jonathan Schoop, our best player born in Curacao. (Sorry, can't add the cedilla on my Chromebook.)
chinmusic Verified Member Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 Are there enough Canadians to do a provincial breakdown. I'm looking at you, Justin Morneau! Too bad Larry Walker never played for the Twins...
puckstopper1 Verified Member Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 Are there enough Canadians to do a provincial breakdown. I'm looking at you, Justin Morneau! Too bad Larry Walker never played for the Twins... Chin - I think you just did - Morneau from British Columbia along with Dave McKayOh, right - There are others, but it is a short list.These players are from Canada also:Jesse Crain, Scott Diamond and Rene Tosoni from OntarioCorie Koskie from Manitoba There are probably others, but that is all that I can remember..
Nine of twelve Verified Member Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 Chin - I think you just did - Morneau from British Columbia along with Dave McKayOh, right - There are others, but it is a short list.These players are from Canada also:Jesse Crain, Scott Diamond and Rene Tosoni from OntarioCorie Koskie from Manitoba There are probably others, but that is all that I can remember..Andrew Albers, Saskatchewan.And there has to be a mention of Calvin Griffith, Quebec. puckstopper1 1
Joey P Verified Member Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 I never knew The Killer was from Idaho
gil4 Verified Member Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 I didnt realize Radke was from WI. Thats unfortunate...Unfortunate that he was from Wisconsin or unfortunate that you didn't realize it? (Either meaning could work.) ashbury 1
ashbury Verified Member Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Unfortunate that he was from Wisconsin or unfortunate that you didn't realize it? (Either meaning could work.)I felt the meaning was clear. BobAzar 1
BobAzar Verified Member Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 Unfortunate that he was from Wisconsin or unfortunate that you didn't realize it? (Either meaning could work.) Unfortunate that he's from WI. Wisconsin is only good for 1 thing: cheese. If I ate pork, I may add sausage. Beer used to be on that list before the MSP craft beer boom.
gil4 Verified Member Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 Unfortunate that he's from WI. Wisconsin is only good for 1 thing: cheese. If I ate pork, I may add sausage. Beer used to be on that list before the MSP craft beer boom. They made a lot of beer, but it was the kind of beer that caused the invention of wine coolers back in the day.I was an early adopter of the craft beer boom - I remember when there wasn't much beyond Sam Adams, Sierra Nevada, and Anchor. Now we have more IPAs than we have people who know what it stands for. (They didn't brew if to be their best beer; they brewed it with a high enough alcohol and hop content to survive the trip from England to India, hence India Pale Ale). I'm hoping it takes one more step - widespread availability of cask conditioned ale. England managed to accomplish it thanks to CAMRA (Campaign for Real Ale). It had almost died out in favor of filtered keg beer, and by the mid-1980s it was back to being the national drink. (Their craft beer boom preceded ours by about a decade.) Granted, the U.S. doesn't have recent history to recover and would be starting from scratch, but I think demand would grow once people discover it. Nine of twelve 1
ashbury Verified Member Posted May 4, 2020 Posted May 4, 2020 They made a lot of beer, but it was the kind of beer that caused the invention of wine coolers back in the day.I was an early adopter of the craft beer boom - I remember when there wasn't much beyond Sam Adams, Sierra Nevada, and Anchor. Now we have more IPAs than we have people who know what it stands for. (They didn't brew if to be their best beer; they brewed it with a high enough alcohol and hop content to survive the trip from England to India, hence India Pale Ale). I'm hoping it takes one more step - widespread availability of cask conditioned ale. England managed to accomplish it thanks to CAMRA (Campaign for Real Ale). It had almost died out in favor of filtered keg beer, and by the mid-1980s it was back to being the national drink. (Their craft beer boom preceded ours by about a decade.) Granted, the U.S. doesn't have recent history to recover and would be starting from scratch, but I think demand would grow once people discover it.This is above my pay grade to fully grok, but I applaud the devotion.
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