House repeals ACA

[gunnarthor]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/trump-health-care-latest/index.html

 

Obviously, still has to go to the Senate where it'll get modified a bit and then the House would have to agree with those modifications but still, this might suck.  

[kydoty]

Zero chance of it passing.  Democrats won't even look at it, let alone modify it.

[Mike Sixel]

They have no idea what is even in the bill. I hate when either "side" does this. So wrong.

[PseudoSABR]

Passed by one vote.  Don't see how it goes through the Senate.  The legislative filibuster is still around (I think).   The Republicans don't even know what they voted on; I look forward to them learning about it over the next several weeks of really bad press. 

 

As others have suggested in the other thread, I think this is the noose that will be tied around Republicans necks come 2018.  That's the only tangible result of this bill, beyond Trump's good feels. 

[gunnarthor]

 

Passed by one vote.  Don't see how it goes through the Senate.  The legislative filibuster is still around (I think).   The Republicans don't even know what they voted on; I look forward to them learning about it over the next several weeks of really bad press. 

 

As others have suggested in the other thread, I think this is the noose that will be tied around Republicans necks come 2018.  That's the only tangible result of this bill, beyond Trump's good feels. 

God, I hope so.  My wife had cancer a while back right when I quit my job and we were forced to stay in our state b/c cancer is a hell of a pre-existing condition.  We racked up a lot of debt although everything is ok now.  But if people aren't as well off as we were, I don't know how they could survive that.

 

And, according to Vox, Congress kept ACA benefits for themselves. The commercials basically write themselves.

[TheLeviathan]

So......how do the Dems screw this up?

[stringer bell]

Pretty sure there are 3-4 "no" votes among the Republican senators. Attaching this to another bill of some type would be the only way it passes and goes to a conference committee. Still, it is one step closer to being law.

 

I wasn't a huge fan of the ACA, but it beats the snot out of this abomination.

[stringer bell]

 

 

So......how do the Dems screw this up?

It's possible. See 2016.

[DaveW]

As I said in the other thread:

 

Short term and ultimately meaningless "win" for the president in chump.

 

Long term win as the GOP will get their asses handed to them in 18, as long as the Dems don't **** it up royally.

[jimmer]

 

As I said in the other thread:

Short term and ultimately meaningless "win" for the president in chump.

Long term win as the GOP will get their asses handed to them in 18, as long as the Dems don't **** it up royally.

Assuming it gets passed by the Senate as is (or at all).

[D. Hocking]

I posted this on the Trump thread - but it is disgusting how celebratory they were.  All they cared about was that they repealed the health care bill that was passed by that man.  They really don't care about what is best of their constituents, only that they win.

 

[jimmer]

 

I posted this on the Trump thread - but it is disgusting how celebratory they were.  All they cared about was that they repealed the health care bill that was passed by that man.  They really don't care about what is best of their constituents, only that they win.

 

and the Senate is like, 'Nah, we're not even gonna look at what the House passed, we're going to write out own.'

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-gop-to-snub-house-obamacare-repeal-bill-and-write-its-own/ar-BBAKwLr

 

[D. Hocking]

Trump probably does not even know it needs to pass the Senate.  He does not seem to be as familiar of how the government works as the typical President, or the average third grader.

[jimmer]

 

Trump probably does not even know it needs to pass the Senate.  He does not seem to be as familiar of how the government works as the typical President, or the average third grader.

I hate having that childish moron representing our country.

 

BTW, I find it ironic that the asshat-in-chief signed that constitution rupturing executive order, touting 'values' on the same date his Secretary of State defends Trump's praising dictators whose government has huge human rights violations. Tillerson said 'We have to separate Policy from Values.'

 

You can't make these things up.

 

[jimmer]

 

Trump probably does not even know it needs to pass the Senate.  He does not seem to be as familiar of how the government works as the typical President, or the average third grader.

BTW, one republican representative admitted he didn't even read the whole bill...but his STAFF did.

 

No, seriously.  That's how much the GOP cares about the people.  HUGE policy, greatly affecting the whole country in a major way, but not important enough to read.

 

 

[jimmer]

another example of how winning was the only important thing for the house

 

'Analysis | Republicans didn’t like their health-care bill but voted for it anyway'

 

'“This bill is highly imperfect, imperfect, okay? There’s no doubt about that,” Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart said after supporting the legislation.

 

The Florida Republican — who represents a competitive district — waited until the last 24 hours to come on board. He cited conversations with senators who vowed to address his concerns about how to handle the tens of thousands of his constituents who are signed up for the ACA insurance exchanges.

 

“Is this bill good? No, I don’t like it,” Diaz-Balart said. But he suggested that voting for the bill would allow him to be part of future negotiations: “So my decision was, how do I stay involved?”

 

The other critical factor was a desire for the House GOP majority to show it can actually govern.'

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-republicans-didn%E2%80%99t-like-their-health-care-bill-but-voted-for-it-anyway/ar-BBAKOhB

[PseudoSABR]

My worst case scenario:  IIRC, reconciliation in the Senate will only require 50 votes.  So the GOP game plan may very well be: pass some reasonable version in the Senate with 60 votes, goes back to the House and they add all their lunacy, comes back to Senate for reconciliation and they'll only need 50 votes, and we end up with much of the House lunacy.   

 

Dems can't play ball at all; they must support no version of any bill in the Senate. 

[Bark's Lounge]

I know Washington has been a **** Show for quite awhile, but seeing the picture with Trump and all of those other A-Holes laughing, smiling and celebrating the destruction of the ACA, is really insulting and mean spirited in a way that I cannot find the words for.

 

I feel bad for the people who will fall victim to the Trump/Ryan Care Act if it gets through the senate. People who were born into poor circumstances, monetarily and health wise, etc., etc.

 

There are plenty problems with ObamaCare, but at least it felt like a step in the right direction. Hell, I took a pretty decent hit with the deductibles as I got deathly sick in 2015. I chalk that up as my sacrifice for progress. Good people make sacrifices for what is morally and humanely right.

 

I didn't see much of that today with those clowns, but I didn't expect to.

[jimmer]

 

I know Washington has been a **** Show for quite awhile, but seeing the picture with Trump and all of those other A-Holes laughing, smiling and celebrating the destruction of the ACA, is really insulting and mean spirited in a way that I cannot find the words for.

 

I feel bad for the people who will fall victim to the Trump/Ryan Care Act if it gets through the senate. People who were born into poor circumstances, monetarily and health wise, etc., etc.

 

There are plenty problems with ObamaCare, but at least it felt like a step in the right direction. Hell, I took a pretty decent hit with the deductibles as I got deathly sick in 2015. I chalk that up as my sacrifice for progress. Good people make sacrifices for what is morally and humanely right.

 

I didn't see much of that today with those clowns, but I didn't expect to.

The majority of people who voted for Trump and his merry band of equally moronic (well, close to equally moronic) House and Senate republicans are the ones who will be hurt the most by this if it passes.

[Bark's Lounge]

 

The majority of people who voted for Trump and his merry band of equally moronic (well, close to equally moronic) House and Senate republicans are the ones who will be hurt the most by this if it passes.

I know that Jimmer. I hate to sound like a defeatist, but it is going to take generations to fix the ignorance and stupidity a great percentage of our population has if it is even possible.

 

I just don't have it in me to wish harm on those people who voted for Trump that will suffer if the law passes.

[jimmer]

 

 

 

I just don't have it in me to wish harm on those people who voted for Trump that will suffer if the law passes.

Me neither.

[TheLeviathan]

I actually look at the failures of the ACA and the inevitable failures of this as steps towards eventually just joining the rest of the world and do single payer.

[snepp]

and the Senate is like, 'Nah, we're not even gonna look at what the House passed, we're going to write out own.'

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-gop-to-snub-house-obamacare-repeal-bill-and-write-its-own/ar-BBAKwLr

 

 

Fantastic goal, let's create something "just barely good enough to pass."

 

‘Manage Expectations’

Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch of Utah said Republicans’ goal will be to craft a measure that can get 51 votes.

 

“Coupled with the constraints imposed by the budget reconciliation process, we must manage expectations and remain focused on the art of the doable as we move forward,” he said in a statement after the House vote Thursday.

In short, without changes, the House bill arrives in the Senate well short of the 50 votes, plus a tie-breaking vote by Vice President Mike Pence, that will be needed to pass.

"We are not under any deadlines, so we are going to take our time," No. 2 Senate Republican John Cornyn of Texas said. "When we have 51 senators we will vote but not until then."

[PseudoSABR]

[Badsmerf]

I'm so over insurance companies. They are blood sucking parasites funneling money to get legislation which favors them. How is this so hard to see for people? Our money isn't going to the sick, our money is going to these greedy companies and hospitals. Single payer fixes that. People don't get rich off sick and dying people. The incentive is to help and heal people.

 

I really dislike the"incentive" argument I hear. If you give people basic means of living people will still strive to do better. It is a completely made up argument with no facts or examples.

[PseudoSABR]

A conservative case for single-payer health care

Single payer just isn't "conservative." Of course it is, at least if the word still means anything. Conservatism is about stability and solidarity across class boundaries, not a fideistic attachment to classical liberal dogma. When Winston Churchill's Conservative Party returned to power in the U.K. in 1951, they did not attempt to dismantle the National Health Service established six years earlier by the post-war Labour government. They tried to do a better job of running it. Conservatives in this country should get used to the idea of being prudent stewards of the welfare state, not its would-be destroyers.

 

Let's hope this kind of rhetoric actually takes hold with conservative circles.

[drjim]

Single payer of some sort is coming. Just going to be a lot of madness and unnecessary suffering on the way.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I'm so over insurance companies. They are blood sucking parasites funneling money to get legislation which favors them. How is this so hard to see for people? Our money isn't going to the sick, our money is going to these greedy companies and hospitals. Single payer fixes that. People don't get rich off sick and dying people. The incentive is to help and heal people.

I really dislike the"incentive" argument I hear. If you give people basic means of living people will still strive to do better. It is a completely made up argument with no facts or examples.

 

thanks, I really feel better about being at work now.

 

If only you knew what was really driving up costs...

[Craig Arko]

 

thanks, I really feel better about being at work now.

 

If only you knew what was really driving up costs...

Are you saying UHC doesn't employ a large contingent of lobbyists, Mike?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Are you saying UHC doesn't employ a large contingent of lobbyists, Mike?

 

Not at all. I'm saying that comment did not make me feel good about going to work. 

 

But I am also saying that saying insurance companies are why costs are escalating nearly completely misses the mark on the actual underlying causes.

 

These are, of course, my opinion, and in no way reflect the stance of my employer.