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So for the Angles, Meyer has pitched 7.1 innings, gave up 5 runs, 6 H, 8K and 6BB and we think the Angels have turned him around?  Seriously?

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Whammy Ft Myers Mighty Mussels

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So for the Angles, Meyer has pitched 7.1 innings, gave up 5 runs, 6 H, 8K and 6BB and we think the Angels have turned him around?  Seriously?

 

No... we just wish we got to see him pitch 7.1 innings.

TheLeviathan MVP

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Tuesday 9/13  4 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 3K, 2 HR.

 

I predict people will call this start "pretty damn good" based on the last one being called fantastic.

 

Seriously, there is a good chance this guy is out of baseball in 3 years.  If not by shoulder injuries, but plain ineffectiveness.

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I don't think that the list of players you gave is comparable other than Dozier who is a blind luck steal if the power keeps up. The rest of those players, and their 1st rounder Gibson, could easily be on their way out of baseball in 2 years. They'll get a bunch of opportunities since they have some talent and this team is non-competitive, but that doesn't put the class at the same level as Rosenthal, Carpenter, Miller, & Adams. I don't care about cup of coffee guys or non-impact players when evaluating the draft/development results. Those guys don't build playoff teams and that should be the standard we're looking to achieve.

 

Of course, 2009 was an incredible draft for the Cards. Even if one can show that it represents a pattern rather than one-off wild success for the Cards, how does that show that the Twins aren't at least as good as most other organizations? Which other teams besides the Cards would you point to as being so much better at drafting and developing than the Twins? How do you explain that, when the Cards drafted Rosenthal, they passed on Grichuk and Trout a handful of selections later? And you mention Miller, who was not available to the Twins. And Carpenter, who the Cards apparently were either willing to bet would be passed on 398 times because they assessed things and knew the other teams were so poor at scouting that they were safe to wait until pick #399, or they got lucky with their 13th round pick. I would guess there's luck involved along with good scouting. I'm guessing the Cards had the same kind of luck in the 21st round in selecting Rosenthal as the Twins had in the 21st round selecting Guardado. And maybe Matt Adams is as serendipitous as Mientkiewicz or Morneau were? And maybe Chargois and Rosario or even Vargas end up with similarly stellar careers as Adams and Rosenthal, even though they were blind luck picks by the Twins while Rosenthal and Adams are a product of extraordinary skill?

 

So, I buy that the Cards are really good at drafting and developing, but I don't buy any relevance between this opinion and any opinion about how good or bad the Twins are at it. I'm not closed to the argument, just haven't seen enough evidence that points specifically and exclusively to the whole idea of talent evaluation and talent development as a weakness of the Twins.

Otto von Ballpark All-Star

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So for the Angles, Meyer has pitched 7.1 innings, gave up 5 runs, 6 H, 8K and 6BB and we think the Angels have turned him around?  Seriously?

Did you actually read the thread?  I don't think anyone has made the claim that the Angels have already "turned him around."  Except perhaps Dave in one of his usual Dave-like pronouncements.

 

Most of us are just interested in the fact that Meyer is finally getting the opportunity he didn't have in Minnesota, that's all.  And regurgitating previously stated opinions about whether we should have given him that opportunity.  Not much to act incredulous about.

Brandon Warne FCL Twins

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So for the Angles, Meyer has pitched 7.1 innings, gave up 5 runs, 6 H, 8K and 6BB and we think the Angels have turned him around?  Seriously?

 

Nah, thread dates back much further than that. 

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Top game scores since trade:

 

1. Ricky Nolasco - 86; August 31.

2. Alex Meyer - 69; September 18.

3. Ricky Nolasco - 67; September 17.

4. Hector Santiago - 65; August 31.

5. Ricky Nolasco - 64; September 6.

6. Hector Santiago - 61; September 10.

7. Ricky Nolasco - 57; August 10.

8. Alex Meyer - 55; September 7.

9. Hector Santiago - 55; September 3.

10. Hector Santiago - 54; September 15.

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Bottom game scores since trade:

 

1. Hector Santiago - 12; August 20.

2. Hector Santiago - 18; August 14.

3. Alex Meyer - 37; September 13.

4. Ricky Nolasco - 38; August 26.

5. Hector Santiago - 39; August 9.

6. Ricky Nolasco - 40; August 15.

7. Hector Santiago - 43; August 4.

8t. Ricky Nolasco - 44; August 4.

8t. Ricky Nolasco - 44; August 20.

10. Ricky Nolasco - 46; September 12.

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Meyer's first attempt at pitching into the 6th inning led to trouble tonight -- 2 consecutive 4 pitch walks ended his night. Then former Twin Deolis Guerra did him no favors by allowing all 3 inherited runners to score.

 

Through 5 he was pretty effective: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 4 K, 70 pitches, 42 strikes

 

Final line 5.1 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 3 BB, 4 K, 82 pitches, 45 strikes

Shaitan FCL Twins

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Meyer's first attempt at pitching into the 6th inning led to trouble tonight -- 2 consecutive 4 pitch walks ended his night. Then former Twin Deolis Guerra did him no favors by allowing all 3 inherited runners to score.

Through 5 he was pretty effective: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 4 K, 70 pitches, 42 strikes

Final line 5.1 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 3 BB, 4 K, 82 pitches, 45 strikes

An ERA below 9. A career best!

 

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Otto von Ballpark

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Meyer's last start of the year, a rematch vs. Oakland.  3 hits led to 2 runs in the first, but Meyer shut them out after that.  Only 4 innings, 78 pitches (must still be on a Molitor-style pitch count :) ), but also only 1 walk, his lowest total/rate so far.

 

4 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 5 K, 78 pitches, 46 strikes

 

His final line for LA this year:

 

21.2 IP, 17 H, 11 R*, 13 BB, 24 K, 4.57 ERA

 

(4 of his runs were inherited, actually Angels relievers allowed all 4 runners they inherited from Meyer to score. Meyer left with a cumulative 2.19 run expectancy in those situations, so probably only 1 or maybe 2 can reasonably be attributed to his relievers.)

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Meyer's last start of the year, a rematch vs. Oakland.  3 hits led to 2 runs in the first, but Meyer shut them out after that.  Only 4 innings, 78 pitches (must still be on a Molitor-style pitch count :) ), but also only 1 walk, his lowest total/rate so far.

 

4 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 5 K, 78 pitches, 46 strikes

 

His final line for LA this year:

 

21.2 IP, 17 H, 11 R*, 13 BB, 24 K, 4.57 ERA

 

(4 of his runs were inherited, actually Angels relievers allowed all 4 runners they inherited from Meyer to score. Meyer left with a cumulative 2.19 run expectancy in those situations, so probably only 1 or maybe 2 can reasonably be attributed to his relievers.)

Considering a small sample, the Angels superior defense (than MN), and short stints, Meyer's statistics indicate that the Twins can replace his performance level easily. Could the Twins have developed Meyer into a truly solid, dependable starter? Theoretically yes--but I don't believe those employed by the Twins capable of that feat, but another group, yes.

Otto von Ballpark All-Star

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Considering a small sample, the Angels superior defense (than MN), and short stints, Meyer's statistics indicate that the Twins can replace his performance level easily. Could the Twins have developed Meyer into a truly solid, dependable starter? Theoretically yes--but I don't believe those employed by the Twins capable of that feat, but another group, yes.

I don't there is much like that you can conclude from this sample, other than he wasn't overmatched once he got his feet wet. The hope is he builds on this level of performance, I am sure, either as a starter or reliever. Or perhaps that he has rebuilt some trade value.

 

I'm not sure Meyer couldn't have performed like he has so far had he stayed in Minnesota, given a logical and consistent usage plan. It was mostly the plan I wasn't optimistic about anymore (although I hoped the new front office hire would get a crack at that -- Falvey in particular might have had some ideas for Meyer).

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There is a serious problem when pitchers come here and do worse than their record shows, then leave and do better.  There is a problem when young pitchers cannot make the jump from minors to majors.  COACHING and FRONT OFFICE are able to impact talent and that should be a plus, not the negative impact of the past six years. 

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"Its not the size of the bull but the size of the heart in the bull". Or in human terms, motivation and desire are as important as athletic ability.

 

Meyer is obviously motivated in California. For his sake, I hope he does well.

David HK Cedar Rapids Kernels

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I'm just glad Nolasco is gone.  

Yeh, me too, for the job he did for us.  Strange, though, isn't it, that he's pitching quite well since he got away from the Twins.  Threw a real gem the other night, in fact the last 3-4 starts in a row.  

 

Can't wait for Meyer to light it up now, too, once he got out from under Molly and Co.  I'll just never forgive them for the way they jerked that kid around.  I'm glad for him that he's gone.

ScrapTheNickname FCL Twins

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There is a serious problem when pitchers come here and do worse than their record shows, then leave and do better.  There is a problem when young pitchers cannot make the jump from minors to majors.  COACHING and FRONT OFFICE are able to impact talent and that should be a plus, not the negative impact of the past six years. 

FWIW, E. Santana has performed as a Twin nearly identically than he did in his previous two years, and in fact, as a Twin he has performed remarkably consistent to his entire career.

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