Mismanagement

[Ncgo4]

Terry Ryan has proven to possess an incapability to do his job that is nearly biblical in proportion.

 

CENTER FIELD

 

The last 2 "no miss" prospect we had were rushed to the majors and have disappeared (at least from the Twins). Now we have the consensus #2 prospect in all of baseball, a center fielder, and what do we do? We rush him to the majors without any indication he is ready and now he's been sent back down

 

SANO

 

Another consensus great prospect. We bring him up as DH/3B and he performs amazing. What do we do? Go out and invest $25 million in a Korean DH forcing us to move our prize, over-performing rookie to right field. This just coincidentally makes him the largest outfielder, perhaps in ML history. How does he do? Demonstrates that he cannot handle the position and suddenly can't hit either.

 

THE AFORE MENTIONED KOREAN

 

On April 15, he breaks the 9 game team losing streak with a game winning double. April,16, a mamouth dinger. April 18, another tape measure dinger. Perhaps the longest in Target field history. April 19, another huge dinger.

 

We reward this incredible performance by benching him the next 4 games.

 

MAX KEPLER

 

We call him up on April 9. The reason we call him up? Because he's hitting a robust .167. That's a sure sign of success at the next level. Over the next three weeks he gets 19 AB's and on April 25, we send him back down. One of our top prospects in the organization whose having a tough spring so we call him up to sit in the bench.

 

I won't even think of going into the pitching staff.

 

The Twins need to get rid of Ryan and the sooner the better.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

SANO

Another consensus great prospect. We bring him up as DH/3B and he performs amazing. What do we do? Go out and invest $25 million in a Korean DH forcing us to move our prize, over-performing rookie to right field. This just coincidentally makes him the largest outfielder, perhaps in ML history. How does he do? Demonstrates that he cannot handle the position and suddenly can't hit either.

I'm no fan of the Sano to OF move but I'm also no fan of building a false narrative to suit an argument.

 

Miguel Sano has an OPS+ of 118.

 

It's April 26th.

[tobi0040]

If we were on the market for a new GM, that would be fine by me.  I don't think you will find top prospects mis-handled in such a manner anywhere in the league. 

 

The one nit I have is the part where you said Sano suddenly can't hit.  He has a .243/.369/.400 line so far.  Not what he is capable of, but certainly he is hitting a bit.  He started slow last year too.

 

 

[HitInAPinch]

"biblical in proportion", eh?  Wasn't that a show on Broadway?

[jsteve96]

 

Terry Ryan has proven to possess an incapability to do his job that is nearly biblical in proportion.

CENTER FIELD

The last 2 "no miss" prospect we had were rushed to the majors and have disappeared (at least from the Twins). Now we have the consensus #2 prospect in all of baseball, a center fielder, and what do we do? We rush him to the majors without any indication he is ready and now he's been sent back down

SANO

Another consensus great prospect. We bring him up as DH/3B and he performs amazing. What do we do? Go out and invest $25 million in a Korean DH forcing us to move our prize, over-performing rookie to right field. This just coincidentally makes him the largest outfielder, perhaps in ML history. How does he do? Demonstrates that he cannot handle the position and suddenly can't hit either.

THE AFORE MENTIONED KOREAN

On April 15, he breaks the 9 game team losing streak with a game winning double. April,16, a mamouth dinger. April 18, another tape measure dinger. Perhaps the longest in Target field history. April 19, another huge dinger.

We reward this incredible performance by benching him the next 4 games.

MAX KEPLER

We call him up on April 9. The reason we call him up? Because he's hitting a robust .167. That's a sure sign of success at the next level. Over the next three weeks he gets 19 AB's and on April 25, we send him back down. One of our top prospects in the organization whose having a tough spring so we call him up to sit in the bench.

I won't even think of going into the pitching staff.

The Twins need to get rid of Ryan and the sooner the better.

I think it's funny you said Sano cant hit anymore lol. OPS near .800 and last 11 games its been around 1. his Defense will get better. hes fast. plus Plouffe only has 1.5 years left and its sanos job at 3rd most likely. Max Kepler may be the CF of the future, im not so sure buxton is going to be better than him.

[Pardon My Dinger]

Do we need another one of these?

[Physics Guy]

Sano is hitting .316/.435/.579 in his last ten games.  Park sat because Joe Mauer has been our best hitter and there is no DH in National League parks.  Kepler came up for a short time because Santana was on IR.  Would I rather he be playing full-time? Of course I would, but it was a stop-gap while Santana was injured.  It is not going to inhibit his development.  He most likely would have played more, but Arcia showed a little life and took AB's away from Kepler. 

[Pardon My Dinger]

Use of marginalizing (and erroneous) terms such as "afore mentioned Korean" is borderline reportable in my book as well.

[Craig Arko]

 

Do we need another one of these?

You want an honest answer, or one that won't get me banned?

[scottz]

 

Use of marginalizing (and erroneous) terms such as "afore mentioned Korean" is borderline reportable in my book as well.

That's just the German in you.

 

 

 

(Note: I don't know if you are German. I just picked a nationality. I agree that the aforementioned Korean has a name which should have been used.)

 

edit: changed could to should

[Riverbrian]

 

Do we need another one of these?

 

Bummer... I was thinking of doing one... with my concerns which are different from these concerns.

 

I guess I should keep it in my pocket eh.  

[savvyspy]

 

I think it's funny you said Sano cant hit anymore lol. OPS near .800 and last 11 games its been around 1. his Defense will get better. hes fast. plus Plouffe only has 1.5 years left and its sanos job at 3rd most likely. Max Kepler may be the CF of the future, im not so sure buxton is going to be better than him.

There is no evidence that Sano's defense will get any better other than currently he's the worst outfield regular in the majors and chance might suggest he could move up a spot or two. You can defend his hitting but Sano in the outfield will go down as one of the most asinine decisions this front office makes in its tenure.  

[Riverbrian]

 

Use of marginalizing (and erroneous) terms such as "afore mentioned Korean" is borderline reportable in my book as well.

 

It is Borderline but I'm gonna let it stand because he is Korean and I can't be positive about the author's intent. 

 

However... I do believe it is much more respectful to use the player's name. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Kepler came up for a short time because Santana was on IR.  Would I rather he be playing full-time? Of course I would, but it was a stop-gap while Santana was injured.

That's the kind of the point of the criticism.  Top prospects shouldn't be promoted as stop-gaps, particularly not as stop-gap bench players.

[Riverbrian]

 

That's the kind of the point of the criticism.  Top prospects shouldn't be promoted as stop-gaps, particularly not as stop-gap bench players.

 

I don't think sitting on the bench for someone else's DL stint will retard his development significantly enough to really worry about it. 

 

However... It is still lost on me how he didn't get any playing time when you consider the output of the Outfielders who were playing instead. 

 

To me... it wasn't that he was benched... It was about the performance of the players that he was benched for. 

[gunnarthor]

Good thing TD takes pride in its negativity.  Wow.  The strib comments are more rational.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I don't think sitting on the bench for someone else's DL stint will retard his development significantly enough to really worry about it. 

 

However... It is still lost on me how he didn't get any playing time when you consider the output of the Outfielders who were playing instead. 

 

To me... it wasn't that he was benched... It was about the performance of the players that he was benched for. 

Sure.  I could see a stacked team calling up a prospect to sit on the bench for 15 days as a reward/mentoring/initiation type thing.

 

But obviously the current Twins aren't stacked in the outfield.  And Kepler was already rewarded/initiated with a call-up late last season.  And he needed the playing time -- he played 2 games at AAA, a critical next step in his development as he looks to show 2015 wasn't a fluke, before he got the call to sit around Minnesota.  Nor does it appear there were any great veteran outfield mentors around, if that's your bag.

 

And of course, is his first 12 games on the MLB roster this year, he gets 1 start -- and it's against a LH SP.  And we sac bunt to set up an intentional walk to bring him up in a critical spot against said LH SP... arg...

 

It was just a weird way to treat a top prospect, however you slice it -- either promote him and play him, or don't mess with him.  I hope they are not headed down the same path by promoting Meyer to some nebulous emergency arm role, just when he seemed to be on a roll as a SP at AAA again.

[gunnarthor]

 

Sure.  I could see a stacked team calling up a prospect to sit on the bench for 15 days as a reward/mentoring/initiation type thing.

 

But obviously the current Twins aren't stacked in the outfield.  And Kepler was already rewarded/initiated with a call-up late last season.  And he needed the playing time -- he played 2 games at AAA, a critical next step in his development as he looks to show 2015 wasn't a fluke, before he got the call to sit around Minnesota.  Nor does it appear there were any great veteran outfield mentors around, if that's your bag.

 

And of course, is his first 12 games on the MLB roster this year, he gets 1 start -- and it's against a LH SP.  And we sac bunt to set up an intentional walk to bring him up in a critical spot against said LH SP... arg...

 

It was just a weird way to treat a top prospect, however you slice it -- either promote him and play him, or don't mess with him.  I hope they are not headed down the same path by promoting Meyer to some nebulous emergency arm role, just when he seemed to be on a roll as a SP at AAA again.

I think you're bringing up two issues here.  First, on Kepler, with Santana on the DL, he was really the only option on the 40 man - other than dropping someone and bringing up Maestro, for instance.  So that's sort of the happy problem of having a young 40 man roster.

 

On playing time (esp in regards to Meyer) that's more on Molitor.  I'm not sure how Molitor will use Meyer.  I'm a bit worried about it too considering some of the reports we heard in ST on how Molitor sees him as a bullpen arm only and didn't use him last night.  But I guess just waiting to see how it plays out is probably the best option at this point.  That said, if Molitor is using him less than Tonkin, I'll go ballistic.

[mrkarbo]

At one time TR was considered one of the best talent evaluators in all of MLB. Seems to be slipping ALOT! Polads are loyal to a fault and have said several times the job is his as long as he wants it. I do think Buxton will be a great CF soon. He seems to struggle at each level when 1st promoted. Lets see what happens after 100-150 AB's in AAA before writing him off. I remember not long ago the Twins had very little talent in the OF and now it seems we are on the verge of a surplus there. I agree they were rushed but sometimes need becomes an issue(Kepler). What I don't understand is playing Sano in OF over Park. Didnt he play some OF in S.Korea? Althouh we are off to a horrible start, I do think we will be a power in years to come!!

[Riverbrian]

 

Sure.  I could see a stacked team calling up a prospect to sit on the bench for 15 days as a reward/mentoring/initiation type thing.

 

But obviously the current Twins aren't stacked in the outfield.  And Kepler was already rewarded/initiated with a call-up late last season.  And he needed the playing time -- he played 2 games at AAA, a critical next step in his development as he looks to show 2015 wasn't a fluke, before he got the call to sit around Minnesota.  Nor does it appear there were any great veteran outfield mentors around, if that's your bag.

 

And of course, is his first 12 games on the MLB roster this year, he gets 1 start -- and it's against a LH SP.  And we sac bunt to set up an intentional walk to bring him up in a critical spot against said LH SP... arg...

 

It was just a weird way to treat a top prospect, however you slice it -- either promote him and play him, or don't mess with him.  I hope they are not headed down the same path by promoting Meyer to some nebulous emergency arm role, just when he seemed to be on a roll as a SP at AAA again.

 

Molitor said in the post game that he wasn't going to bring Meyer into the game with it on the line. 

 

He was nice about it but it basically meant that... He really doesn't trust Meyer at this point. 

 

The Bullpen was taxed and Milone didn't make it to 5 innings. I think we are heading down the same path with the Meyer promotion. 

 

I could be wrong... but I think I'm right... I believe we have a same page issue between Molly and the Front Office. Molly doesn't appear to trust the youth (rightfully so) and we can only send youth to him. 

 

I'm certainly grabbing popcorn to sit and watch this mess. 

 

 

 

[Riverbrian]

 

I think you're bringing up two issues here.  First, on Kepler, with Santana on the DL, he was really the only option on the 40 man - other than dropping someone and bringing up Maestro, for instance.  So that's sort of the happy problem of having a young 40 man roster.

 

On playing time (esp in regards to Meyer) that's more on Molitor.  I'm not sure how Molitor will use Meyer.  I'm a bit worried about it too considering some of the reports we heard in ST on how Molitor sees him as a bullpen arm only and didn't use him last night.  But I guess just waiting to see how it plays out is probably the best option at this point.  That said, if Molitor is using him less than Tonkin, I'll go ballistic.

 

Gun... it's more interesting than that. 

 

1. Molly said in ST that he sees Meyer as a bullpen option.

 

2. The recent tweet from Berardino quotes Terry Ryan

 

Ryan on Meyer call up: "Why not? We've got some issues with our starters. We're trying to protect ourselves."

 

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I think you're bringing up two issues here.  First, on Kepler, with Santana on the DL, he was really the only option on the 40 man - other than dropping someone and bringing up Maestro, for instance.  So that's sort of the happy problem of having a young 40 man roster.

Well, we were willing to drop John Hicks from the 40-man to add David Murphy, so I'm not sure why the 40-man was such a limiting factor for us two weeks ago.

 

But even if you limit it to the 40-man, we do have another outfielder on 40-man roster (Walker) who would probably be more appropriate for parking on the MLB bench.  And we've used Nunez in the outfield before, which could have been an option with a Polanco promotion.  We didn't need a backup CF for a change, since we already had Buxton and Rosario.

[Mike Sixel]

Motitor needs to learn to trust his great athletes to perform. I really am not a fan of how he decides who to trust. He trusted Danny Santana enough to kill an entire season almost, but he seems very reluctant to trust pitchers. I think is a failing of his, that someone should discuss with him.

[Craig Arko]

 

Motitor needs to learn to trust his great athletes to perform. I really am not a fan of how he decides who to trust. He trusted Danny Santana enough to kill an entire season almost, but he seems very reluctant to trust pitchers. I think is a failing of his, that someone should discuss with him.

Maybe the pitching coach.

 

Actually, as I think about it, an arrangement like Zimmer has with the Vikes. Molitor runs the offence and fielders, and Allen handles the pitching staff.

[shs_59]

Its not all Terry Ryan

 

Blame Rob Antony, Brad Steil , Deron Johnson too

 

i think 1 of those 3 is MORE to Blame than TR

TR is just doing what his Braintrust tells him is best.

 

Terry Ryan >>> than Bill William Smith

 

I loving Having Radcliff on board with this Org, ....is Wayne Krivitsky still around?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

TR is just doing what his Braintrust tells him is best.

 

Terry Ryan >>> than Bill William Smith

Actually, evidence suggests TR acts a lot more independently than Bill Smith.  A lot of the aggressive moves of Smith's tenure seemed to directly follow Gardy's whims, for example.  (Meanwhile, there are rather few aggressive moves with TR at the helm.)

[nicksaviking]

Molitor said in the post game that he wasn't going to bring Meyer into the game with it on the line. 

 

He was nice about it but it basically meant that... He really doesn't trust Meyer at this point. 

 

The Bullpen was taxed and Milone didn't make it to 5 innings. I think we are heading down the same path with the Meyer promotion. 

 

I could be wrong... but I think I'm right... I believe we have a same page issue between Molly and the Front Office. Molly doesn't appear to trust the youth (rightfully so) and we can only send youth to him. 

 

I'm certainly grabbing popcorn to sit and watch this mess.

 

Agree, Ryan's moves and Molitor's moves are bizarre. When using a disconnect between the two as a template, only then the lack of playing time for the call ups makes sense.

 

And sorry Molitor, but I trust Meyer with the game on the line more than I trust you at this point. The decisions have been very poor.

[Riverbrian]

 

Actually, evidence suggests TR acts a lot more independently than Bill Smith.  A lot of the aggressive moves of Smith's tenure seemed to directly follow Gardy's whims, for example.  (Meanwhile, there are rather few aggressive moves with TR at the helm.)

 

This is exactly what my Spidey Sense is telling me. 

 

I have no idea who is the dominant advocate in the Twins Room in any given situation. I have no idea who Terry trusts or doesn't trust as much. 

 

I can only draw conclusions based on what transpires publicly and the Twins were very aggressive under Smith and became much more conservative when Ryan came back. 

 

I also believe that the Pohlads are probably more hands off than most think because under the aggressive Smith... The Twins spent decent cash on the roster. I think it's quite possible that they are spending less because Ryan may be more risk adverse. 

 

Anyway... who knows... In any organization there are rooms full of people with input and the filtering of that input happens at the top.  Change it up and the dynamics in the room change immediately. A different voice can gain importance. 

[clutterheart]

I learned long ago that shaking my fist at gravity is useless.  Terry Ryan isn[t going anywhere unless he wants to.  

 

Thats the reality.  I don't love that.  But its the way it is.  

[Blake]

 

Do we need another one of these?

Well, better here than game threads.