Article: Misconceptions

[Blackjack]

 

Thanks, Seth.

 

As a moderator, I just want to add that I've been seeing a lot of disrespect floating around ... Ryan lied, Ryan's stupid, the Twins are cheap, etc. You may have strong feelings one way or another about how this team is run; I know I do, and I've stated it many times over the years so it's no secret. But let's be better in our rebuttals and disagreements and not go this easy route.

 

For me, I was shocked at what Park signed for. But he signed it, and his agent worked this deal as much as Ryan. Maybe Park wanted out of Korea and would have taken anything and Ryan knew that? Don't know, and neither do you. Maybe it's truly a fair deal and only time will tell. So when you start making assumptions and stating opinions, be clear about that and leave the disrespect behind.

$12 million dollars is still a lot of money!!! I think I could feed my family with that.

 

If he was unhappy with the money he could have shot for a shorter 2-3 years deal. He didn't have much leverage.

 

$12 million dollars is a lot of money!!!!!!!!!!!

[Squirrel]

 

$12 million dollars is still a lot of money!!! I think I could feed my family with that.

 

If he was unhappy with the money he could have shot for a shorter 2-3 years deal. He didn't have much leverage.

 

$12 million dollars is a lot of money!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup. My 'shock' wasn't so much that it wasn't a lot of money, I just thought the market would set it higher.

[old nurse]

 

Misconception?

It seems that the majority here want to keep Plouffe because he is very good and they want Nunez gone because he sucks.

Plouffe: .244/.307/.435/.742 99 ops+

Nunez: .282/.327/.431/.758 104 ops+

Career  WRC favors Plouffe, career OPS+ favors Plouffe. Nunez had a career year.

 

[DocBauer]

Tremendous write up Seth! Couldn't agree more!

 

Not only did Park sign the deal that he and his agent worked out, but there isn't exactly a precedent set for how well Korean talent will translate to MLB. Park is what, the second guy ever? So while I am very surprised and think the Twins may have gotten a deal here, it's still a lot of money. Also, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't he have another $1M per based on 400 AB's?

 

There is nothing wrong with keeping Plouffe at this time. I think a lot of us have said that. But the fact is, without Sano moving to the OF...or someone...there is a logjam at 1B/3B/DH unless someone is injured. My problem with moving Sano to the OF isn't that he couldn't learn to do it, maybe even learn to do it well...but...how exactly does him learning to play OF actually help the OF defensively? Further, let's say it takes a season, (at least), and probably two before he gets really comfortable and looks really good out there. Let's say he looks really, really good even. What happens in two more years when Plouffe is a FA? Does he bolt? Does he fade? Do we sign in him an extension before that? 

 

And what about Kepler and Walker, along with Buxton and Rosario? Does the OF get too crowded in a year or so? I'm not saying we have to trade Plouffe, or that we should trade him. But I am saying there may be a decent return for him, we may break up a bit of a logjam personnel wise, and we aren't putting square pegs in to round holes yet again.

[Charleo]

 

has anyone talked about the idea of moving ploooof to the outfield? 

 

he was out there before he grew up and matured as a GREAT hitter! 

 

thoughts?

I mentioned this in the comments of the original "Sano is going to the outfield" article and was roundly flogged for it.  Those that took exception noted that Plouffe is slower (not a deal breaker in my opinion) but also that Plouffe is already an above average 3b, so moving him for a player we're unsure of (but would most likely be league average as he's still learning the position) plus putting below average outfield defense out there in Plouffe would be downgrading two positions defensively.  Valid points, and I guess it was hard to argue.

[Dantes929]

 

Good stuff Seth (although "able to handle right field" might need to be clarified, as Cuddy really struggled at Target Field).  However, I do agree that Sano is the better athlete and could play RF from an athletic standpoint.

 

I also tend to agree with Platoon and a few others when it comes to Ploufe.  It just feels like there is not going to be a better time to move him.  Maybe we don't get that much, but how will that change moving forward?

 

Terry appears pretty adamant on this though.  I guess we will see.

If we don't get that much and it doesn't change moving forward what difference does it make if we move him now or later?      If we don't get that much for him now then I am just fine with keeping him.

 

  Too early for this?

1. Buxton

2. Mauer

3. Sano

4. Park

5. Plouffe

6. Escobar

7. Dozier

8. Rosario

9. Susuki/Murphy

Right now this is better than anything we put out there if Sano does not play outfield, at least until Kepler is up.  

[notoriousgod71]

We are going to regret getting rid of Arcia... and at this point I don't see a way he is here long term and that is frustrating to me.

[Danchat]

 

Misconception?

It seems that the majority here want to keep Plouffe because he is very good and they want Nunez gone because he sucks.

Plouffe: .244/.307/.435/.742 99 ops+

Nunez: .282/.327/.431/.758 104 ops+

Eh... Nunez played about 1/3 of the season, compared to Plouffe's full season. (204 PAs to 632 PAs)

 

To his credit, Nunez had a good season and deserves a bench spot on almost any team. However, if he played a full season, I'm confident his numbers would have regressed.

[jimmer]

 

Misconception?

It seems that the majority here want to keep Plouffe because he is very good and they want Nunez gone because he sucks.

Plouffe: .244/.307/.435/.742 99 ops+

Nunez: .282/.327/.431/.758 104 ops+

Well, there's defense too.  We aren't comparing DHs here. Also Plouffe has over 4100 IP at 3B and Nunez has less than 800 IP. There's also the fact that the comparisons given above are for one season and fail to mention Plouffe had more than 3 times as many PAs

 

[ashbury]

I mentioned this in the comments of the original "Sano is going to the outfield" article and was roundly flogged for it.  Those that took exception noted that Plouffe is slower (not a deal breaker in my opinion) but also that Plouffe is already an above average 3b, so moving him for a player we're unsure of (but would most likely be league average as he's still learning the position) plus putting below average outfield defense out there in Plouffe would be downgrading two positions defensively.  Valid points, and I guess it was hard to argue.

Wow, somebody's mind got changed on an issue? This never would have happened, on Facebook.

 

[HitInAPinch]

Oh my Seth.  You do go on....   

Edited December 4, 2015 by HitInAPinch

[DocBauer]

 

If we don't get that much and it doesn't change moving forward what difference does it make if we move him now or later?      If we don't get that much for him now then I am just fine with keeping him.

 

  Too early for this?

1. Buxton

2. Mauer

3. Sano

4. Park

5. Plouffe

6. Escobar

7. Dozier

8. Rosario

9. Susuki/Murphy

Right now this is better than anything we put out there if Sano does not play outfield, at least until Kepler is up.  

Not too early at all, IMPO. But I would bump Dozier and his mix of OB, power and speed up to 5 or 6. Regardless of a 5-6 of Plouffe/Dozier or Dozier/Plouffe, I'd put Rosario and his mixed bag of excitement and left handed bat in the 7 hole...Escobar 8th...Zuke and the killer 9th.

 

As stated, at least until Kepler is ready. (or Plouffe is traded-making way for Arcia?)

[Platoon]

Yup. My 'shock' wasn't so much that it wasn't a lot of money, I just thought the market would set it higher.

There was no market. Once the Twins won the bid,it's a take it or leave it. He had to take it. He is almost 30, and he gets a shot at MLB. I would have done the same thing in a heartbeat. Parks decision was correct, based on the options he had.

[mikelink45]

I know I am both Old and Old fashioned - I like defense.   I like fast agile defenders who prevent runs.  I like Buxton, Rosario, Kepler.  I like a great infield, but we cannot have that.  Escobar and Dozier are at least average.   The corners?  I know we tend to see teams sacrifice here, but the biggest issue for me is that if Sano is not OF and I hope he is not, and if he is not DH - we have now committed this - we have to put him at 3B.  Catcher???