Ryan's Bullpen

[twinsnorth49]

also, Duffey should

Have been given a chance to get out of the inning. The 3 runs given up in the 8th also didn't help matters, took a 2 run game and once again put it out of reach.

Disagree there, I'd go to who should be my lock down guy against the #9 batter with 2 outs and runners in scoring position 100 out of 100 times.

 

May belonged in that game at that time, he blew it, no need for scapegoats.

[twinsnorth49]

no issue with May, but when he came out and couldn't throw a strike, he should have been pulled quickly, but because the Twins have him and Jepsen as the only two current "legit" relievers they had to keep him in the game and thus hung him out to dry. Also, May should still be a starter, but that is another topic for another thread etc

Agreed, but it's still on May for being the legit guy who should be able to get one out.

[DaveW]

Disagree there, I'd go to who should be my lock down guy against the #9 batter with 2 outs and runners in scoring position 100 out of 100 times.

 

May belonged in that game at that time, he blew it, no need for scapegoats.

it wasn't runners in scoring position it was just one runner in scoring position at the time.

 

Duffey should have gotten the chance to finish the inning.

[DaveW]

Agreed, but it's still on May for being the legit guy who should be able to get one out.

may shouldn't be the only "legit" guy in the pen. Jepsen is legit too but now is the de facto closer which means because it's MLB he isn't allowed to come in before the 9th inning and all that. The minute he throws 6 straight balls and gives up a run, he should have been pulled. But of course they have no one else worth while to bring in and he is left in to serve up a grand slam.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Holey moley.

 

1. Duffey was unhittable the whole game.

2. Molitor took Duffey out of the game.

3. Many people questioned this decision in real time and thought Duffey should stay in. Call it "first-guessing" or pre guessing...or just shootin the **** and enjoying a ballgame as usual?

4. May melted down, Game over.

 

Yet somehow if you thought Duffey should stay in the game, you are dead wrong!

 

I'm confident Molitor acted a little too knee jerk taking Duffey out. People might disagree. It looks like Molitor was falling back on the unwritten rule of not allowing the starting pitcher be charged with the go ahead run. In fact Morris said something to that effect as it was happening. Again, Duffey was nearly unhittable--one hard hit ball that inning to the previous batter before he came out. I doubt Molitor was looking at matchups at all, as he just seemed to shoot out of the dugout. Just get Duffey out of there lest he allow a third base runner and the Twins lose the lead and Duffey be charged with what the Sabermetricians call a Loss.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Yup, no rotating closers today because May was the only good reliever available.

[TheLeviathan]

If Duffy had stayed in and blown it with May ready in the bullpen, you guys would be roasting him for that too.

[AlwaysinModeration]

May or Duffey, either would have been an ok decision. It didnt work out.

 

It is amazing though how Duffey went scoreless for 6 2/3, and then the Astros had 8 runs on the board before the bullpen had recorded two outs. That's remarkable.

[Kwak]

 

May or Duffey, either would have been an ok decision. It didnt work out.

It is amazing though how Duffey went scoreless for 6 2/3, and then the Astros had 8 runs on the board before the bullpen had recorded two outs. That's remarkable.

Hmm, I guess we'll have to look elsewhere to find the winner of the Fireman of the Year Award.

[Minniman]

 

The bullpen was ok the first half but most could tell it was smoke and mirrors, which is what happens when you have a bunch of guys with poor k rates and poor k/Bob ratios.

 

The Twins front office keeps bringing in pitchers with sketchy histories.

 

[twinsnorth49]

it wasn't runners in scoring position it was just one runner in scoring position at the time.

 

Duffey should have gotten the chance to finish the inning.

Runner, runners, there is still no problem with May coming into the game. If Duffy had given up the lead it would have been Molitor's fault as well, that's the benefit of hindsight.

[twinsnorth49]

may shouldn't be the only "legit" guy in the pen. Jepsen is legit too but now is the de facto closer which means because it's MLB he isn't allowed to come in before the 9th inning and all that. The minute he throws 6 straight balls and gives up a run, he should have been pulled. But of course they have no one else worth while to bring in and he is left in to serve up a grand slam.

I didn't say he was the only legit guy, just one of the two I agreed with you that reside there (other than a healthy Perkins).

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Duffey has been really good. Ryan and the Twins got that one right. Don't remember any of us rattling the cage for Duffey like we were Berrios. May had an uncharacteristic horrible day. No reason to feel too upset about that loss yesterday.

[Gene Larkin]

I haven't checked for sure but I think that was one of the first time this year May was brought in the middle of an inning with runners on base with game on line since he was converted to late inning reliever

[Jham]

 

May or Duffey, either would have been an ok decision. It didnt work out.

It is amazing though how Duffey went scoreless for 6 2/3, and then the Astros had 8 runs on the board before the bullpen had recorded two outs. That's remarkable.

 

I agree.  My initial thought when Duffey was pulled was that it was a bit quick.  Duffey was putting together a line better than May has ever had in his whole career against a quality line up.  He didn't seem like he was tiring, and K'd a guy on 3 straight curves one batter before giving up a single on a get me over curve.  But given May's recent dominance, can't blame the manager for considering May more of a sure thing.  It was a close call.

 

I have a problem with May staying in after the 4 pitch walk.  Particularly because the 4 pitch walk loaded the bases.  And May now just has to throw strikes with little regard to quality.

 

As an aside, I've always wondered just how much young players party after a big Saturday night win before a Sunday day game...  Sano 0-4 4k's, Bux 0-3 K, May a million earned runs, Rosario helped the team most by skipping the game altogether.   

[DaveW]

If Duffy had stayed in and blown it with May ready in the bullpen, you guys would be roasting him for that too.

I will never "roast" anyone for leaving in a starter with 8k's and 0ER allowed, especially with this questionable bullpen behind him.

[lukeduke1980]

I was a little surprised Cotts wasn't brought in, seeing it was the middle of an inning.  Definitely would've screamed for May if he would've blown it also though.

[TheLeviathan]

I will never "roast" anyone for leaving in a starter with 8k's and 0ER allowed, especially with this questionable bullpen behind him.

Most of the criticism you have lead has made little to no effort to be reasonable. If there is any managerial decision to question it's the bunt, not putting in May.

[ashbury]

I have a problem with May staying in after the 4 pitch walk.  Particularly because the 4 pitch walk loaded the bases. And May now just has to throw strikes with little regard to quality.

And yet he still got the result he wanted, a soft grounder that turned out to be too slow to catch the speedy batter. Game of inches. We're singing a different tune if that play goes our way.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

The real Trevor May was back, tonight. You saw it in the first pitch he threw, his delivery much more relaxed and he hit the lower outside corner with a 96 MPH. Fun to watch. At the end of the inning, with two runners on base by virtue of ground balls, Kendrys Morales worked May for a 8-10 pitch at bat, and could still only muster a slow grounder that didn't even make it to the mound. Suzuki picked it up and threw out Morales for the third out, securing the win right there in the 8th. 

 

Chief's idea that May might be better in the bullpen next year can't be dismissed. Not fair to May if he wants to start, and he's probably more valuable as an innings workhorse, but he also has the makings of a shut down guy.

[Minniman]

 

For Fein, 80% of plate appearances against end up with ball in play.  Highest on the team.

 

Only 2 teams in the majors have allowed a higher % of inherited runners to score and no team has allowed more actual inherited runners to score.

 

Isn't that the modus operandi of Eddie Guardado?

[jimmer]

 

Isn't that the modus operandi of Eddie Guardado?

Guardado, for his career, had 66% of plate appearances against end up with ball in play.  4% below league average during the time he played and 7% below 2015 Twins pitching staff average.

 

So, not really.

[sane]

 

"Reason number 5,001 why Ryan has no business being a major league GM anymore"

Four reasons that you are mistaken

 

Tommy Milone for Sam Fuld.

Kevin Jepsen for AlexisTapia and Chih Wei Hu.

Eduardo Escobar for Francisco Liriano.

Eduardo Nunez for Miguel Sulbaran.

.

[Minniman]

 

Guardado, for his career, had 66% of plate appearances against end up with ball in play.  4% below league average during the time he played and 7% below 2015 Twins pitching staff average.

 

So, not really.

 

But much of that is when he was a closer and had clear bases to start off an inning.

 

When Guardardo was first put into the bullpen, he would allow inherited runners to score far too often, and then he would pitch better.

[Willihammer]

 

But much of that is when he was a closer and had clear bases to start off an inning.

 

When Guardardo was first put into the bullpen, he would allow inherited runners to score far too often, and then he would pitch better.

What is your point?

[mickeymental]

 

"Reason number 5,001 why Ryan has no business being a major league GM anymore"

Four reasons that you are mistaken

 

Tommy Milone for Sam Fuld.

Kevin Jepsen for AlexisTapia and Chih Wei Hu.

Eduardo Escobar for Francisco Liriano.

Eduardo Nunez for Miguel Sulbaran.

.

that's 16 percent of the 25-man roster.

[sane]

that's 16 percent of the 25-man roster.

The rest of the 25-man roster were signed by the Twins as MLB free agents, drafted free agents, and international free agents.

Exceptions: Trevor May (trade for Ben Revere) and JR Graham (Rule V pick)

[mickeymental]

 

The rest of the 25-man roster were signed by the Twins as MLB free agents, drafted free agents, and international free agents.
Exceptions: Trevor May (trade for Ben Revere) and JR Graham (Rule V pick)

in case i wasn't clear: i'm thinking 16 percent is pretty significant. but the rest of the roster makeup is interesting as well ...

[sane]

in case i wasn't clear: i'm thinking 16 percent is pretty significant. but the rest of the roster makeup is interesting as well ...

Thanks, mickeymental.

I thought you were being critical of TR, as I am accustomed to reading here.

[Squirrel]

Thanks, mickeymental.

I thought you were being critical of TR, as I am accustomed to reading here.

I said to stop with these kinds of comments. This has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. If you can't refrain from making your digs then don't post.