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People are over-reacting when it comes to Clinton, she isn't perfect, and she lacks the charisma of Obama for sure, but people weren't exactly THRILLED with Gore/Kerry etc either at the time.

I don't see personally how complaining about both candidates at this point solves anything, Hillary and Trump got the most votes by their party, there was plenty of time for others to beat them.

 

Hillary is so significantly better then Trump it's not even funny. Her health, e-mail scandal, clinton foundation have all been blown completely out of proportion because that is what the media/twitter/political coverage is all about these days. It's going to be the same thing or worse in future elections.

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People are over-reacting when it comes to Clinton, she isn't perfect, and she lacks the charisma of Obama for sure, but people weren't exactly THRILLED with Gore/Kerry etc either at the time.

 

I believe you walked right past the problem.....

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I believe you walked right past the problem.....

W had charisma though, and wasn't a total disaster like Trump is though.

If Rubio, Kasich or Paul were up for the GOP nod, they likely would be beating Hillary right now, thankfully the GOP imploded and we are left with Mr Orange Troll

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W had charisma though, and wasn't a total disaster like Trump is though.

If Rubio, Kasich or Paul were up for the GOP nod, they likely would be beating Hillary right now, thankfully the GOP imploded and we are left with Mr Orange Troll

 

I don't disagree with this or the rest of your post, just saying, you cited a problem that sunk the last two losing Dem nominees.  So, that is part of the worry people have.

 

I think Hillary's centrism is held against her far too much.  That's the result of both sides expecting their people to never compromise, compromise and effective leadership often looks like centrism.  

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I don't disagree with this or the rest of your post, just saying, you cited a problem that sunk the last two losing Dem nominees.  So, that is part of the worry people have.

 

I think Hillary's centrism is held against her far too much.  That's the result of both sides expecting their people to never compromise, compromise and effective leadership often looks like centrism.  

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This week, Trump has basically said the 4th, 6th, and 8th amendments are bad for the country.....after last week saying the first is bad....what does that leave, other than guns?

I'm tired of politicians overlooking the criminality of the third amendment. Housing for all!

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It's painfully apparent Wells Fargo knew damned well what was happening.

 

The "5300 employees acting independently" line didn't pass the smell test right off the bat. Now we're hearing reports of whistleblowers being fired for speaking out.

 

If you're a WF customer, it might be time to go find a new bank.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/21/investing/wells-fargo-fired-workers-retaliation-fake-accounts/index.html

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It's painfully apparent Wells Fargo knew damned well what was happening.

 

The "5300 employees acting independently" line didn't pass the smell test right off the bat. Now we're hearing reports of whistleblowers being fired for speaking out.

 

If you're a WF customer, it might be time to go find a new bank.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/21/investing/wells-fargo-fired-workers-retaliation-fake-accounts/index.html

 

My biggest take away was how brazen this is.  It shows you the contempt and total lack of regard there is in financial institution for the ramifications of their actions.

 

Time to start making them care.

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take out "financial institution" insert:

 

energy company

auto maker

pharmaceutical 

pretty much any big business.....

Don't forget 'defense contractor.' More than just a big business.

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People are over-reacting when it comes to Clinton, she isn't perfect, and she lacks the charisma of Obama for sure, but people weren't exactly THRILLED with Gore/Kerry etc either at the time.

I don't see personally how complaining about both candidates at this point solves anything, Hillary and Trump got the most votes by their party, there was plenty of time for others to beat them.

 

Hillary is so significantly better then Trump it's not even funny. Her health, e-mail scandal, clinton foundation have all been blown completely out of proportion because that is what the media/twitter/political coverage is all about these days. It's going to be the same thing or worse in future elections.

Of course Clinton is better than Trump.

 

She shot herself in the foot by not addressing the email BS right away, she should have strongly distanced herself from the Clinton Foundation once she had aspirations to be the Commander in Chief a decade ago, because of the Republican conspiracy theory about her health, and it was poorly timed (for her), she should have made a public announcement that she was under the weather and needed to take a handful of days off, even if it meant missing the NY 9/11 Commemoration.

 

We live in a day in age where mass media invades all of our lives, whether it be fair or unfair. She should of had her people in her ear, pounding it into her head over and over again about the things I mentioned.

 

Hillary isn't just screwing herself over... she is screwing us all over. She needs to get her **** together and understand what our modern time dynamic looks like. Her strategy is not good and is hurting her a great deal.

 

Saying that - she has my vote - I hope she wins!!!

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She shot herself in the foot by not addressing the email BS right away, she should have strongly distanced herself from the Clinton Foundation once she had aspirations to be the Commander in Chief a decade ago, because of the Republican conspiracy theory about her health, and it was poorly timed (for her), she should have made a public announcement that she was under the weather and needed to take a handful of days off, even if it meant missing the NY 9/11 Commemoration.

 

Oh, I don't know. That would potentially initiate a slight change of motif, but the theme would still be the same. "Hillary isn't fit to be the POTUS - she can't even make it to a 9/11 memorial service." The thing is, Clinton can't do anything right. Not a ****ing thing. If everything had gone to plan at the ceremony, chances are no one would know she was sick. I suspect it's just a risk she was willing to take - unfortunately, it didn't go too well.

 

This tweet sums the whole situation up quite nicely. :)

 

 

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Oh, I don't know. That would potentially initiate a slight change of motif, but the theme would still be the same. "Hillary isn't fit to be the POTUS - she can't even make it to a 9/11 memorial service." The thing is, Clinton can't do anything right. Not a ****ing thing. If everything had gone to plan at the ceremony, chances are no one would know she was sick. I suspect it's just a risk she was willing to take - unfortunately, it didn't go too well.

 

This tweet sums the whole situation up quite nicely. :)

 

I think Clinton was forced to do this because of the pressure brought on by Dump's people and their conspiracy theories. I think she needs to be super honest, she needs to address these issues at first sight.

 

Teflon Don as they call him is a media money maker. He is a hate monger and money usurper. I hope he goes the way of the Dodo.

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Of course Clinton gets blasted and can't do anything right according to her opponents.  I haven't heard anyone concede anything for Trump either.  I haven't followed closely enough, but I'm sure he's wandered into a coherent, decent thought at least once.  That's just the way of things - it's relentless, stupid, and unfair basically 99% of the time.

 

The mistake Clinton is making is playing too defensive a game and expecting to coast.  Maybe she thinks the debates are when she seals it, I don't know.  But her campaign needs to wise up about how the game is being played.

 

Hate Trump for all the right reasons, but this guy has really figured out how to mass manipulate.  The playing field is set, it's time for Clinton's campaign to shut the door on Trumps chances rather than continually ceding ground.

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Clinton said something interesting in the last couple days.  She said her campaign has been more about pointing out how bad Trump would be and not enough of why she would actually be a good choice.  Like she's been counting on making sure everyone knows she's the lesser of two evils as opposed to showing why she'd be an actual quality choice for President herself.

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"Hip" is just not in Hillary's wheelhouse.

 

I went back and watched Obama's episode. "Seriously? What's it like, for this to be the last time you ever TALK to a President?" Now that's some gold.

 

I have no doubt that both episodes were edited to their handlers' liking. And the situations were different, with Obama a bit more free. Hillary just didn't give the editors much to work with.

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"Hip" is just not in Hillary's wheelhouse.

 

I went back and watched Obama's episode. "Seriously? What's it like, for this to be the last time you ever TALK to a President?" Now that's some gold.

 

I have no doubt that both episodes were edited to their handlers' liking. And the situations were different, with Obama a bit more free. Hillary just didn't give the editors much to work with.

Try this one.

 

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