Twins Trades That Fell Through

[ScottyB]

Per MLB Traderumors per Doogie

 

The Twins believed they had completed two trades that ultimately fell through this offseason, as the players they wanted were traded to other teams, Darren Wolfson of 1500ESPN reports (Twitter links). Wolfson says he wondered if those trades might have involved Jeremy Hellickson (who went to the Diamondbacks) or J.A. Happ (who headed to the Mariners), but was told no in both cases.

 

 

Any speculation?  Pitching?  Centerfield?

[DaveW]

Dang! We were this close to getting Butera back and getting Jeff Samardzija to throw to him!!!!

[shs_59]

ya.... Heywaard , oor Upton right? 

 

Rosario, Meyer, and Rogers was a few of the names  nahhh  no way

[Boom Boom]

Milone, Escobar, maybe Pinto... possibly Parmelee before he was DFA'd... a minor league reliever or two. Just my opinion of who the Twins might deem available.

[USAFChief]

"We can't give our players away."

[tobi0040]

We obviously did not make Duensing available.

[nicksaviking]

Per MLB Traderumors per Doogie

 

"as the players they wanted were traded to other teams"

 

With how tight lipped this organization is, we'll probably never know, it's surprising this got out at all. 

 

With the addition of Santana on a long term deal, I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins were making some of their top pitching prospects available.  I haven't gone back to look at the timing of the Santana signing and the various trades, but Heywood, Upton or Myers would have required the inclusion of a top pitching prospect.  Hard to believe, but it's not completely without merit.

[jimmer]

This kind of stuff drives me crazy.  They want to say they were oh so close to making a couple trades, but then won't say who we almost traded for, but they have no problem confirming who it wasn't. Why do you think that is?  Is it because if they say the were oh so close to making a trade for a certain player, the other team may respond to such a claim?

[Brock Beauchamp]

This kind of stuff drives me crazy.  They want to say they were oh so close to making a couple trades, but then won't say who we almost traded for, but they have no problem confirming who it wasn't. Why do you think that is?  Is it because if they say the were oh so close to making a trade for a certain player, the other team may respond to such a claim?

I think it's part of old-school baseball etiquette. When is the last time we've heard a front office say "we offered Player A for Player B and Team X didn't accept" after someone else successfully negotiated a trade for Player B?

 

I can't recall that situation happening in recent memory.

[70charger]

This kind of stuff drives me crazy.  They want to say they were oh so close to making a couple trades, but then won't say who we almost traded for, but they have no problem confirming who it wasn't. Why do you think that is?  Is it because if they say the were oh so close to making a trade for a certain player, the other team may respond to such a claim?

 

Who's "they"? MLBTradeRumors? Because they're not affiliated with the Twins. Just FYI.

[jimmer]

Who's "they"? MLBTradeRumors? Because they're not affiliated with the Twins. Just FYI.

Who was Wolfson talking to in order to write what he did? He said the TWINS believed they had completed two trades that ultimately fell through this offseason, as the players they wanted were traded to other teams and then when Wolfson speculated on who the players were, he was told not them.

 

Was he not talking to someone with the Twins? Is that not what we're supposed to get from that?  Is Wolfson, from ESPN1500 (only printed on the MLB rumor site) making stuff up?

[jay]

This kind of stuff drives me crazy.  They want to say they were oh so close to making a couple trades, but then won't say who we almost traded for, but they have no problem confirming who it wasn't. Why do you think that is?  Is it because if they say the were oh so close to making a trade for a certain player, the other team may respond to such a claim?

 

Tampering isn't allowed.  That's why.  From an MLBTR article:

 

MLB's tampering rules say "there shall be no negotiations or dealings respecting employment, either present or prospective, between any player, coach or manager and any club other than the club with which [the player] is under contract or acceptance of terms,"

[jimmer]

I think it's part of old-school baseball etiquette. When is the last time we've heard a front office say "we offered Player A for Player B and Team X didn't accept" after someone else successfully negotiated a trade for Player B?

 

I can't recall that situation happening in recent memory.

we've heard teams say they were close to a deal for someone and it fell through though, haven't we? I'm not sure we need to be specific on who we almost gave up but if you want to say you were that close to making a trade, and don't want to say who, why even say it? 

[jimmer]

Tampering isn't allowed.  That's why.  From an MLBTR article:

Ah, that makes sense.  Seems we've seen it before, but that makes sense.  Thanks for that very respectful response.

[jay]

Ah, that makes sense.  Seems we've seen it before, but that makes sense.

 

Yeah, some teams flirt with that line a little more than others.  I don't think any of us think of the Twins as much of flirters though...

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

I guess the other part is - does the leak think that by saying the Twins missed out on some players they wanted makes the Twins look good? "Hey, at least we're trying?"

 

I tried to get an unspecified sandwich, but one of the people in front of me got the last one with some ingredient (I won't tell you which), so I am still looking for a good sandwich (of some unspecified variety)  . . .

 

Oh - maybe that's it. A not so subtle hint to other teams that the Twins are still looking to make a deal?

[jay]

I guess the other part is - does the leak think that by saying the Twins missed out on some players they wanted makes the Twins look good? "Hey, at least we're trying?"

 

I tried to get an unspecified sandwich, but one of the people in front of me got the last one with some ingredient (I won't tell you which), so I am still looking for a good sandwich (of some unspecified variety)  . . .

 

Oh - maybe that's it. A not so subtle hint to other teams that the Twins are still looking to make a deal?

 

Or, you and I just don't have a squad of reporters prying on us for any dirt or details that might make a decent story about the type of sandwich we're interested in.

[jimmer]

I guess the other part is - does the leak think that by saying the Twins missed out on some players they wanted makes the Twins look good? "Hey, at least we're trying?"

 

I tried to get an unspecified sandwich, but one of the people in front of me got the last one with some ingredient (I won't tell you which), so I am still looking for a good sandwich (of some unspecified variety)  . . .

 

Oh - maybe that's it. A not so subtle hint to other teams that the Twins are still looking to make a deal?

Mmmm Sandwiches :-)

[jay]

Mmmm Sandwiches :-)

 

I do love me a good sandwich.  And lunch time is sooo faaar awaaaaayyy....  arrrgh.

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

Or, you and I just don't have a squad of reporters prying on us for any dirt or details that might make a decent story about the type of sandwich we're interested in.

 

That's because everyone knows I always want to order the cubano. There's no story there!

 

Yes, the odd non-story is probably a by-product of media asking daily questions and sources having to say something to move the reporter along.

[jay]

On a slightly more serious note, I pulled the list of trade transactions from this offseason that MLBTR tracks in an attempt to narrow down who I thought the Twins were trying to get.

 

Then I saw there have been like 75 MLBers traded this offseason and like another 125 MiLBers... and I gave up.

[jimmer]

On a slightly more serious note, I pulled the list of trade transactions from this offseason that MLBTR tracks in an attempt to narrow down who I thought the Twins were trying to get.

 

Then I saw there have been like 75 MLBers traded this offseason and like another 125 MiLBers... and I gave up.

Yeah, that would be hard to figure out.

[gunnarthor]

Doogie seemed to think it involved pitchers.  I wonder if they were loooking at Marlins (now Yankee) pitcher Nate Eovaldi?  I didn't like that trade much for Miami and it seems like the Twins could have pretty easily had a better offer. 

[tobi0040]

On a slightly more serious note, I pulled the list of trade transactions from this offseason that MLBTR tracks in an attempt to narrow down who I thought the Twins were trying to get.

 

Then I saw there have been like 75 MLBers traded this offseason and like another 125 MiLBers... and I gave up.

 

And that was just the Oakland A's.

[jimmer]

And that was just the Oakland A's.

I was going to say the Padres :-)

[jay]

The timing of this makes me think the second one that fell through might have been Dexter Fowler.

 

Fills a need for the Twins -- short-term CF solution.  Milone and something or Escobar and something wouldn't have been much different than Straily and Valbuena.

[jimmer]

The timing of this makes me think the second one that fell through might have been Dexter Fowler.

 

Fills a need for the Twins -- short-term CF solution.  Milone and something or Escobar and something wouldn't have been much different than Straily and Valbuena.

I can see where they'd prefer Valbuena to Escobar from a talent standpoint.  Escobar would have been under control for longer, though.

[TheLeviathan]

I really hope they were for a CF.  I can forgive trying and failing.

 

The last two years that position has just been a series of failures and seemingly ignored problems, that I can't forgive. 

[ashbury]

"We can't give our players away."

Maybe if they included cash... oh wait, I see what you did there.

[Otto von Ballpark]

That's because everyone knows I always want to order the cubano. There's no story there!.

The Twins would be a better team if they had ordered a cubano in recent years.