Article: Today's Official Trade Deadline Discussion

[DaveW]

That would be several levels of hilarious.

no it wouldn't, it would be several levels of ineptitude. The Twins literally have zero use for a guy like Fuld the rest of the year. They would be better served trading Willingham for a PTBNL

[TheLeviathan]

Boston got some interesting buy-low value for Lackey.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I don't think it'll be a great return, but I think it will surprise a few people.  He's having a good year and there isn't a whole lot of LHR's available and a lot of contenders need a LHR.

yeah this.  Not a spectacular return, but I could see a decent upside lower minors guy.  or a higher upside reliever in the high minors.

[drjim]

LEN3 update:

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/269407811.html

 

Key graph:

 

[suzuki]'s one to monitor as we close in on the trade deadline. Should be an interesting day. I've heard the Twins have a good chance of making at least one more trade and could move multiple players. Stay tuned.

 

[TwinsCD]

Milone for Fuld?  Freakin brilliant.  Milone not any good?  I'll take 6-0, 2.61 ERA since early May over 3/5 of what we have in the starting staff right now.

 

As for Mr. Moneyball, I guess it's much more important to win the free agent/trade races than to actually win playoff series.

[teekz]

I like the Fuld/Milone trade. 3.84 career ERA looks pretty good.

[JB_Iowa]

Milone for Fuld?  Freakin brilliant.  Milone not any good?  I'll take 6-0, 2.61 ERA since early May over 3/5 of what we have in the starting staff right now.

 

As for Mr. Moneyball, I guess it's much more important to win the free agent/trade races than to actually win playoff series.

 

This article explains why it can be a good deal for both sides.  Twins were fortunate that they had something the A's really need and were familiar with:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/sam-fuld-and-completing-the-as/

[Thegrin]

I'm staying on mlb channel all day.  and staying in this chat.  More laughs than Comedy Central

[Seth Stohs]

A tweet by Ken Rosenthal indicates that the Yankees are still considering Josh Willingham (among other OF). 

[iTwins]

A tweet by Ken Rosenthal indicates that the Yankees are still considering Josh Willingham (among other OF). 

 

Make it happen, TR

[drjim]

Too late, Yanks get Byrd.

[tobi0040]

I highly doubt that. 

Milone has a career 3.84 ERA.

 

Arroyo, 4.19 ERA signed a 2 year deal @ 11.75M a year

 

Feldman, 4.60 ERA signed a 3 year deal @ $10M a year

 

Nolasco 4.37 ERA (before this year), signed a 4 year deal @11.5M a year

 

 

I think the difference between free agency and the trade deadline is teams in the hunt A) have pretty good starting pitching and b are looking for really good upgrades.

 

In free agency, you have 30 teams and 10-15 of them have starting pitching needs (the worst from the previous season) and they are all bidding on 8-10 guys.  That is why you see silly contracts. 

[iTwins]

Too late, Yanks get Byrd.

 

Well, there went Willingham's biggest suitor. I guess the M's or a darkhorse could get something done, but I'd be surprised if he's moved after the Byrd acquisition by NY.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Too late, Yanks get Byrd.

 

Fake tweet, not real.

[drjim]

Fake tweet, not real.

 

Just going to say the same thing, got it off mlbtraderumors.

 

Doing something like that just seems like a whole lot of work for such a brief payoff.

[tobi0040]

I would love for the Tigers to make that trade and completely dismantle their farm system. 2016 would be all ours!

 

With Lester and Lackey going this early, I think the folks at ESPN/Fox need to act like Price might get moved today to keep people engaged.  I doubt he moves.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Milone has a career 3.84 ERA.

 

Arroyo, 4.19 ERA signed a 2 year deal @ 11.75M a year

 

Feldman, 4.60 ERA signed a 3 year deal @ $10M a year

 

Nolasco 4.37 ERA (before this year), signed a 4 year deal @11.5M a year

 

 

I think the difference between free agency and the trade deadline is teams in the hunt A) have pretty good starting pitching and b are looking for really good upgrades.

 

In free agency, you have 30 teams and 10-15 of them have starting pitching needs (the worst from the previous season) and they are all bidding on 8-10 guys.  That is why you see silly contracts. 

While I tend to agree, Milone would get decent money in FA, it would be better to use ERA+ to compare.  He's behind Arroyo in that measure, and just a bit ahead of Feldman.

 

 

Maybe a Hughes-esque 3/24, up to 3/30?  Same age as Hughes last year, obviously better than Hughes 2013, but perhaps less pedigree/upside which still might count for something at age 27.

[twinsfan34]

Other than Johnson (3) and Darnell (1) have the Twins had any other LH starts this year?

 

Would that be the lowest ever?

 

Question: Are you Over or Under for Milone getting that many (4) MLB starts this year?

[Thegrin]

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mlb-trade-deadline-tracker--follow-all-the-deals-here-072337796.html

 

This is another good place to keep track of what is the latest.  yahoo trade tracker

[JB_Iowa]

1. Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 5m

   chris denorfia is going to the mariners

    

    

   Yankees still looking.

[Kwak]

It seems that the Twins have an excess of starting pitchers.  I wonder if they trade one or two for CF?

[tobi0040]

While I tend to agree, Milone would get decent money in FA, it would be better to use ERA+ to compare.  He's behind Arroyo in that measure, and just a bit ahead of Feldman.

 

 

Maybe a Hughes-esque 3/24, up to 3/30?  Same age as Hughes last year, obviously better than Hughes 2013, but perhaps less pedigree/upside which still might count for something at age 27.

 

Yeah...in the ballpark with guys making $10-11.75M a year in that stat as well.  Milone has a career ERA + of 100.

 

Arroyo 103 ERA+ (11.75M)

Feldman 95 ERA + (10M)

Nolasco 91 ERA + (11M)

 

Seems like we basically went out and got a guy that may put up the same numbers on a 3 year, 5-8M deal (3 years of arbitration until he is a FA in 2018)

 

You have a rotation of Nolasco, Gibson, Meyer, and Hughes plus a rookie (Milone or May).  The rotation will be at about $26M with Pelfrey sitting in the minors somewhere.  Looks like some money will be left over for the lineup.

[John Bonnes]

Can we please extend this trade deadline another day or so? This is too much fun. 

[John Bonnes]

So Tigers are "out" on Andrew Miller. Think they could be calling about Duensing?

 

But with the Mariners acquiring Denorfia, that means they're out on Willingham. Seem like the Yankees could be best suitor left standing.

[Badsmerf]

Can we please extend this trade deadline another day or so? This is too much fun. 

Please no. The Twins have enough average starting pitchers....

[TwinsCD]

Other than Johnson (3) and Darnell (1) have the Twins had any other LH starts this year?

 

Would that be the lowest ever?

 

Question: Are you Over or Under for Milone getting that many (4) MLB starts this year?

 

If this group has any smarts, that had better be an 'over'.  I'd put him in the rotation before Pino or Johnson right now.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Please no. The Twins have enough average starting pitchers....

 

*looks at MLB team pitching stats*

 

No, they don't.

[teekz]

I'm not sure trading for a CF is smart right now. Santana is good enough for this year and maybe we still get to see Rosario in September. Next year maybe Rosario/Hicks/Santana rotation until Buxton if he is ready. I'd rather see that than trading for a guy.

[Badsmerf]

You new here teekz.....

[amjgt]

Hasn't this been covered?

 

Most likely Milone is only in AAA because 

a) he was already in AAA for Oakland

b.) the SP whom he will be replacing on the 25 man roster is scheduled to start before Milone is available to pitch (since he pitched 2 days ago).

 

Darnell pitches on Friday and Pino pitches on Saturday. Presumably Milone isn't available until Sunday.

Edited July 31, 2014 by amjgt