Article: Today's Official Trade Deadline Discussion

[diehardtwinsfan]

Now that I've had some time to digest this a bit, I'm thinking that TR is pretty confident he's going to be moving KC today...  That's my next prediction... Either KC or Suzuki moves yet today.  Possibly both. 

[chopper0080]

Ok...after forgeting about Nolasco and forgetting the compensatory guidelines, I am putting myself in timeout.

[whydidnt]

 

Also, I am excited to see how Vargas does though I expect he will struggle as Arcia has.

 

 

He could very well struggle, but probably not like Arcia. Arcia can't control the strike zone and Vargas has been pretty good at that in the minors, something we couldn't say about Arcia. I still think Arcia will be a good player for the Twins, they just need to let him figure it out.

[James]

Suzuki may not get traded today.  It sounds like they started talking about an extension again today.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/twins-suzuki-again-discussing-extension.html

[Beezer07]

Rumors among ESPN.com experts that Suzuki and Twins are close on long-term extension

[Brock Beauchamp]

Rumors among ESPN.com experts that Suzuki and Twins are close on long-term extension

 

Damn. This day is all sorts of crazy.

 

Gotta love deadline day.

[James]

Damn. This day is all sorts of crazy.

 

Gotta love deadline day.

Agreed, This has already been a fun day.  I hope the excitement continues all day.

[drjim]

Beane is proud of building his teams primarily via trade, not from within.

 

I suspect you have not read their write ups for his trades.

 

BA isn't crazy, they know a big part of farm systems is for trades.

[Badsmerf]

And so it starts. Today could be a pretty interesting day. Stay tuned yall.

[whydidnt]

Suzuki may not get traded today.  It sounds like they started talking about an extension again today.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/twins-suzuki-again-discussing-extension.html

Hopefully this means that Suzuki found out teams weren't interested in dealing for him, and lowered his demands. If there isn't a market for him in the middle of his best season, with a small salary, who's going to give him 4 years 28 million or whatever it is he's looking for?  

 

I'm in favor of resigning him, at a fair contract, but if the deal is outrageous, I'll be disappointed. 

[drjim]

Something tells me that there may be more to the Nolaso situation with this.  Milone is a good get, especially for Fuld, but he doesn't fit into the picture.  The Twins have Nolaso, Pelfrey, Gibson, and Hughes starting next year without Milone.  Add a very ready Meyer and May to this mix and too many guys.  I'm wondering if the Twins have formally ruled out Pelfrey and Nolasco for next year, because otherwise this doesn't make much sense. 

 

Both Meyer and May wouldn't start the season in the rotation even if they hadn't gotten Milone. What this probably means is they probably won't go after a starter in free agency like I hoped they would.

[Linus]

I hope they sign him.  Counting on Pinto is a big risk and they have nobody else remotely ready.  With their potential rotation, the Twins could be decent next year.

[DaveW]

Both Meyer and May wouldn't start the season in the rotation even if they hadn't gotten Milone. What this probably means is they probably won't go after a starter in free agency like I hoped they would.

How can you even say that this early at this point? If May/Meyer prove effective this Aug/Sept then I believe the Twins will absolutely give them a shot to win a spot out of spring training.

 

However, is it prudent to "pencil" both of them in for 2015 at this time? Heck no!

[Badsmerf]

Who is the next to be dealt? The Twins might make more trades today than they have any other deadline.

[drjim]

Hopefully this means that Suzuki found out teams weren't interested in dealing for him, and lowered his demands. If there isn't a market for him in the middle of his best season, with a small salary, who's going to give him 4 years 28 million or whatever it is he's looking for?  

 

I'm in favor of resigning him, at a fair contract, but if the deal is outrageous, I'll be disappointed. 

 

This is probably exactly what it is. His value was not as high as he might have thought, the Twins said take our reasonable two year extension now and let's move on. With the FA options out there and limited return (according to rumors), I don't have a huge problem with it.

[Badsmerf]

How can you even say that this early at this point? If May/Meyer prove effective this Aug/Sept then I believe the Twins will absolutely give them a shot to win a spot out of spring training.

 

However, is it prudent to "pencil" both of them in for 2015 at this time? Heck no!

They did for Hicks.... and he had no indication he could handle it.

[LaBombo]

Rumors among ESPN.com experts that Suzuki and Twins are close on long-term extension

 

 

 

I'm in favor of resigning him, at a fair contract, but if the deal is outrageous, I'll be disappointed. 

He's a 30+ backup catcher on a contender.  What rebuilding team extends that?  He's an ok player and a nice guy, but if this happens, this is the Twins trying to put entertainment on the field instead of a winning team.

[Gernzy]

We almost have too many starting pitchers...didn't think I'd say that today.

[drjim]

How can you even say that this early at this point? If May/Meyer prove effective this Aug/Sept then I believe the Twins will absolutely give them a shot to win a spot out of spring training.

 

However, is it prudent to "pencil" both of them in for 2015 at this time? Heck no!

 

I would be pretty surprised if Meyer makes a start this year in Minnesota. Do expect him out of the bullpen in September (or perhaps earlier). May will get his audition soon enough.

 

This is not to say they won't be on the opening day roster, but that won't be Plan A (or probably B or C) going into spring training.

[James]

Who is the next to be dealt? The Twins might make more trades today than they have any other deadline.

I'm guessing Alex Rios.  If you were looking for the next Twins player to be traded... I have no idea.  

[Willihammer]

Evidently the Royals are looking for pitching but have set their sights a little higher than Correia. I wonder if TR were inclined to flip Milone, what the Royals would give?

[twinsfan34]

Beane's trades in and of themselves are not typically great and he's been fleeced on such trades as Matt Holiday and Carlos Gonzalez, in which he litterally had nothing in MLB production to show for those players. He's also spent $10M on Ben Sheets to not get a MLB pitch out of him. BUT, what Beane has done that very few GMs have done is not get 'nothing' ouf of his pending FA's or players going to Arbitration (more a Tampa Rays trait than an Oakland trait though).

 

Let's hope the Twins can do the same with Suzuki, Willingham, Correia, etc. IF they're a player you want and can't sign to an extension or a player that a team may want, get something in return. That's the art of Beane. He minimizes his losses. He doesn't lose outright.

 

Take in point with Lester - he's not going to resign him - or highly unlikely - however, he'll gladly lay down a $14.1M (or $15-ish) qualifiying offer for Lester. If he returns, one of the best playoff SPs in baseball is on the team for another playoff run, if not, sandwich pick in the 1st round of the 2015 draft.

[Badsmerf]

We almost have too many starting pitchers...didn't think I'd say that today.

You mean too many mediocre starting pitchers. I had no doubt that I would say that.

[tobi0040]

Rosenthal says "reasonable chance" an extension gets done today.  I think TR has a trade in his back pocket, but not a huge haul and he thinks that is the best he will get.  Now he is hoping to get a deal done or we will settle.  IMO, either option beats keeping him sans extension.

[drjim]

Who is the next to be dealt? The Twins might make more trades today than they have any other deadline.

 

If the Suzuki rumors are true, Willy and Duensing are the only two options in my mind.

[LaBombo]

They did for Hicks.... and he had no indication he could handle it.

What?!?  30ish AB's against legit MLB pitching isn't an indication of being ready?

[drjim]

He's a 30+ backup catcher on a contender.  What rebuilding team extends that?  He's an ok player and a nice guy, but if this happens, this is the Twins trying to put entertainment on the field instead of a winning team.

 

The Twins still need a catcher going forward, external options for next year aren't great. If Pinto is legit he'll get his time.

 

Unless you have great hope in Herrmann or Fryer.

[tobi0040]

• Jerry Crasnick

  #Twins and Kurt Suzuki still "very far apart'' in extension talks, says a BB source.

eric.karabell

Hard to believe the Twins want to extend Kurt Suzuki. I know he made the All-Star team, but still. Kurt Suzuki? They should see what Josmil Pinto can really do back there.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/tradedeadline_countdown/mlb-countdown-trade-deadline

[drjim]

Beane's trades in and of themselves are not typically great and he's been fleeced on such trades as Matt Holiday and Carlos Gonzalez, in which he litterally had nothing in MLB production to show for those players. He's also spent $10M on Ben Sheets to not get a MLB pitch out of him. BUT, what Beane has done that very few GMs have done is not get 'nothing' ouf of his pending FA's or players going to Arbitration (more a Tampa Rays trait than an Oakland trait though).

 

Let's hope the Twins can do the same with Suzuki, Willingham, Correia, etc. IF they're a player you want and can't sign to an extension or a player that a team may want, get something in return. That's the art of Beane. He minimizes his losses. He doesn't lose outright.

 

Take in point with Lester - he's not going to resign him - or highly unlikely - however, he'll gladly lay down a $14.1M (or $15-ish) qualifiying offer for Lester. If he returns, one of the best playoff SPs in baseball is on the team for another playoff run, if not, sandwich pick in the 1st round of the 2015 draft.

 

He can't do a qualifying offer for a player traded mid-season. This is a pure rental.

[James]

If the Suzuki rumors are true, Willy and Duensing are the only two options in my mind.

I don't think Duensing is traded until after Miller is traded.  After he's gone, I'm thinking TR will get some calls.  He may have already received some from teams just to get things in place so they can pull the trigger after Miller is off the table.