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They would have to figure they could trade Pagan for someone better than they could keep on the 40 man roster to keep him on. God, I hope they don't keep thinking they can fix him ..

I owned and operated record shops in the seventies. I remember there were a lot of one hit wonders. I'd say Lopez was a one hit wonder but he stopped singing in the middle of the song ..

It will be really nice having these guys over in Saint Paul next year as depth incase starters go down ..

All I ask is either go after top line relievers or turn to guys like Ober or Winder as sixth, seventh inning set up guys, but please, please don't don't circle what's left over of the reliever market at the end of the signing period like Buzzards as the Twins usually do. We do NOT need to sign relievers with average talent.

I would only go for package 2 but I bet Milwaukie would only go for package 1 or 2, so no deal in my mind.

I'd move Polanco and Kepler for quality relivers and minor league talent. You're not going to get an ace starter for them so this would be ore productive. I think Julia will be our second baseman of the future or Martin.

To be honest, we have so much depth in our starting staff it doesn't make sense to get another starting pitcher unless he's a top line guy. I would rather spend the money on making our bullpen the envy of the majors. If Alcala comes back we are half way there.. Go get 3 more studs to go along with them. Can't wait for you to review the relief pitchers available.

We should handle him the way we did Celestino. Bring him to AAA until someone get's injured and we need him. If he can improve his defense and Polanco has another sub par year (for his standards) then let him compete with Polanco the next year or trade Polanco if he get's called up due to injury's next year and proves himself.

I'd take a bag of potato chips for Pagan ...

No one can predict future health but all three have equal promise in my eyes ...

I've been contemplating this for over a month now. I love the heck out of the guy mainly because he's such a great teammate. But I see Miranda as our long term third baseman. Krilloff needs to man first and I don't know where else Miranda is capable of playing other than third base. His slow start kept his batting average down but Miranda has the ability to be an annual three hundred plus hitter with power. For that all he has to do is play an average third base. But I'm fine with resigning Ursela for one year, no extension. By 2024 Julian and Lee will be ready and Lewis will be back.

I find Martin similar to Nick Gordon's path to the big leagues He isn't hitting for power, his defense at shortstop will keep him from playing SS on a regular bases in the bigs. He has speed and position flexibility being not only capable of playing multiple infield positions but an asset in the outfield as well. I think he has a ceiling similar to Gordon BUT .. I'm beginning to think Gordon has an even higher ceiling that he has shown so far. That said, if we plan on keeping Gordon around long term I see Martin eventually as trade bait ..

Any team that continually looses it's starters do to injury's will eventually end up in disappointment and contribute to moral. I don't think it's a moral issue per say, just a natural occurrence to continued disappointment. It's like continually trying to hit a batted ball with only one arm .. It get's old

I think the jury is out until after next year do to the fact we have team control over them next year. After letting Archer and Bundy walk we have then quality starting pitcher candidates. Luckily many like Ober, Winder, Woods, Varland and even Balazovic have options left so they can be called up and down from AAA to fill in for Gray, Ryan, Maheda,, Mahle and Paddack. Hopefully Alcala comes back strong so he and Duran and take pressure off Lopez. I felt Fulmer was a quality acquisition few talk about. Time will tell but I defiantly feel are pitching staff is in better position going into next year. Lord knows you will need all of those starting pitchers through next year.

First, I'm really glad he got a call up to the big;s this year so he can get a taste of top level pitching. I've followed him throughout his minor league career and noticed that each time they promote him to the next level he struggles a little but not for too long. He seems to figure things out really fast. I won't say he's fast but I will say he is not slow. He will be no liability on the base paths and has a number of triples in the minor leagues. He sure got down to first base fast last night. We need more power bats in the outfield. I'm excited to see Wallner and Laurnach in the outfield together much of next year. Krilloff and Miranda at the infield corners. But the real question is what to do with Kepler. He's a better right fielder than almost any right fielder in the league with a great arm. I might give the nod to Wallner in throwing however. We'll have to wait and see. My suggestion is to turn Kepler into a utility player like Gordon. Gordon covers left, enter, SS and second base while Kepler covers Right field, center and first base. I say first base because we won't know if Krlloff will be ready and/or can he stay healthy. This allows us to drop one of the many average outfielders we have been brining up late this year. I would have said, should we trade Kep but after thinking about his versatility, and his value defensively I turned to his hitting. I think the clincher for me not to trade Kep is the fact he batting average should rise when they outlaw the shift next year.

I was so made Rocco didn't let Ryan at least go out there in the 8th inning that I turned off the game and didn't give a **** whether we won or lost ...

Lopez appears to have good stuff. But the simple answer is to move him to the set up man for Duran. It takes precure off and lights a fire under his ass. It's obvious who the better pitcher is. I heard Correa encouraged the Twins to trade for Lopez. That's another notch against Correa for now. But Lopez is better than almost all of the other Twins relievers so in the end, it's good to have him.

My guess is they will wait for next year to call up Wallner due to Laurnach coming back. Wallner needs to be ready for the 2024 season when they can buy out Keplers contract. Laurnach in left and Wallner in right will be a pretty sight to see ..

One week ago I wrote a long reply about why our minor league farm was still in good shape considering how many young players have already proven themselves. I added Wallner to the list of minor leaguers that could either start with the club and or make it up by mid season and how he could help our lack of home runs we are experiencing. Somebody laughed at me and said Wallner was only hitting .161 at Triple A .. I pointed out that he had just been moved up and the sample size was small, then projected his would get his average up to at least .250 once he got his legs under him. One week later he's already batting .239 with the power we could use and making highlight sliding catches in the outfield. I for one, have high hopes for Wallner ..

It tells me they don't think Wallner will be call up ready this year. The fact we are close to expanding the roster by a couple players suggests the Twins feel his situational bases stealing and base runner is an important commodity for a team that doesn't steal bases. As for outfield. Even with Buxton out we have Celestino, Gordon, Kepler and Cave that can all play a decent centerfield. I really hope Larnach is close to returning but only if he is completely healed.

My concern is he's not used to a long season and his arm might not have enough life left in it as a starter down the stretch. But I'd let him take Pagan's place as a reliever for sure.

Okay, in my haste I left off Buxton. I'm sure I will get slammed now .;)

I can't believe all the negativity on this thread. Right now our biggest problem is offensive production and a lack of home runs. When Polanco leads your team with 16 and very few others or in the teens you have a problem. Wallner can fix this. As for dead balls, it's takes someone with massive power to spank the ball over the fence. Man, lighten up on the kid he has hit in every level and will be hitting triple A balls over the fence before the year is out. I think he's a shoe in to be in the majors no later than mid next year as he will be the first one called up when an injury occurs. Then let's see what he's got.

I agree 100%. The money can be spent better somewhere else. Unfortunately Correa has done nothing to increase his value this year. Yes, he could take the 36 mill for two more years but by then I think his value might plummet. 2024 is his best shot as there won't be many quality shortstops coming out so I expect Correa to play for the Twins one more year and hope he has a banner year. I think that's the message he is sending out right now. To be honest, I'm glad we only have him signed for 3 years. I would assume his agent is feeling the waters right now to judge interest. But for us, it's not about whether Correa winds up with a great long term deal. It's simply, does he opt out or not. If he does we are off the hook, ala, Donaldson and if things don't go well, maybe he will come back on a club friendly one year deal ..

Can't blame it on the starting pitching ... Guess we let the chance to trade Correa for some minor leaguers slip through our grasp although I don't fault management as we were in first place. I hope the trip to Houston doesn't blow us out of the race.