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    What's the Plan with Tyler Austin?


    Nick Nelson

    When the Twins added C.J. Cron and essentially tabbed him as their 2019 first baseman, the move puzzled me. Not because of Cron so much as what his addition seemed to say about the lone incumbent at first base.

    Is Tyler Austin being written out of Minnesota's plans already? Or is there still a way his very specific, very potent skills could be optimally put to use?

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    Up to this point, Austin has shown some ability as a major-league hitter. Through his age 26-season, he owns a .758 OPS in 404 MLB plate appearances. This year between New York and Minnesota he slugged .480 in 268 PA; that's a higher mark than Eddie Rosario finished with, and barely below what Cron produced in a career year with Tampa.

    In many ways, Austin looks like the prototypical "change of scenery special." He showed promise with the Yankees but couldn't differentiate himself in a system full of big power bats. Having acquired him in the Lance Lynn deal, the Twins found themselves with a prime opportunity to give Austin a prolonged look, with first base becoming vacant, but instead they chose to go with Cron – a similar if not redundant player.

    Austin's solid overall production has been highly polarized in its concentration. Against right-handed pitchers he's been ineffective, with a .211/.259/.405 slash line and 39% K-rate. Against lefties he's been DOMINANT, at .272/.345/.592 and 32%. The way to best utilize such a player seems clear: partner him with a lefty swinger who can mash righties, and let Rocco Baldelli play the platoon game while also enjoying some great strategic pinch-hitting options.

    Cron throws a wrench in that, swinging from the same side as Austin. In fact, given his neutral platoon splits and his success in a full-time role this year, it seems likely Cron will be penciled as the everyday starter at first.

    This leaves only one path for Austin, who's out of options next spring and likely to land elsewhere if he doesn't make the roster: designated hitter. There is still opportunity there for the Twins to leverage Austin's strengths and deploy him impactfully.

    They can't trust him as full-time DH. It'd be irresponsible to go with Austin as the full-time solution, given his ugly numbers against righties. But if you equip the team with a lefty bat that can frequently plug in at DH? Then we're cooking.

    Theoretically, this can be accomplished with the existing setup. Roll with a bench of Mitch Garver, Ehire Adrianza, Willians Astudillo and Jake Cave, then rotate Cave (or Eddie Rosario) through the DH spot against righties. It'd be a good way to keep arguably your reigning two best hitters (Rosario and Cave) in the lineup regularly.

    Another bench construction that would intrigue me, if Garver is deemed good to go at catcher, would be swapping out Astudillo (who has an option remaining) for outfielder LaMonte Wade, recently added to the 40-man roster. He'll be 25 on Opening Day, has ample experience at Triple-A, and would help balance out a roster short on patience and plate discipline. Wade has a .391 OBP in the minors and walks more than he strikes out against right-handers.

    Alternatively, the Twins could seek out another lefty bat via trade or free agency to complement Austin as a DH/bench piece. It'd need to be someone with a bit of positional flexibility since the team surely isn't gonna carry three first basemen.

    These are scenarios in which Minnesota could still roster Austin and maximize his value. But the simple reality may be that they just don't see the 27-year-old fitting into their plans. Cron's addition already hinted toward this (why not just skip him and set up the Austin platoon at first?) and the reported serious interest in Nelson Cruz would be another indicator. If the Twins sign Cruz, Austin's out – that feels like a safe assumption.

    In fact, signing Cruz and essentially locking him in for 600 plate appearances at DH would all but eliminate any room for creative platoons or rotations, which strikes me as odd for a team that claims to be focused on sorting out existing assets and developing its core.

    Giving up on Austin wouldn't necessarily be malpractice, given that he's so one-dimensional both offensively and defensively, and so very very strikeout-prone. But based on the pure slugging prowess he showed during his short time in Minnesota this year, and his proven ability to terrorize southpaws, he certainly seems worthy of a longer look.

    For his part, Austin is undoubtedly tracking the front office's movements at the Winter Meetings as closely as any fan, knowing that the addition of Cruz would turn his grasp on a roster spot from precarious to perilous.

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    If I were GM, I'm keeping Tyler Austin. We have POTENTIAL options with Rooker/Wiel, but if Wiel is truly a good option he will get picked in the rule V draft thursday. Tyler Austin has homered 1 out of 15 AB's and at 400 AB's that's a 30 HR pace. Only 8 players in MLB in 2018 had a better HR/AB pace. 

     

    CJ Cron has not been much better in terms of OPS and owns a 26% K rate as well. He also has not been much better v RHP. The difference between RHP and LHP for Austin was .130 different in 2018, while Cron had an .160 OPS drop off vs RHP.

     

    Austin is a younger version of Cron for 4 million less, and has 2 more years of control. 

    If the Twins are able to sign Cruz I would move on from the Cron experiment and put Austin at 1st and platoon him with Kepler. That way Kepler can play almost everyday and Jake Cave will get in the lineup a lot more vs RHP. It's a Win win.

     

     

    VS RHP

     

    1B Kepler RF Cave

     

    Vs LHP 

     

    1B Austin RF Kepler

     

    Yeah when I mentioned Wiel it was a bit of a stretch as I don't think he showed the home run power Austin has and he really just has last year at AA as an impressive season.  His OPS was very good in AA and his 51 at bats in AAA show he may have a ways to go. There is a reason he wasn't added to the 40 man.  The thing that I liked about him though was the K and walk rate.  He seems like he might have a better eye at the plate and that typically bodes well for MLB success.

     

    I think he would be a tough rule 5 pick as a team would have to sacrifice a bench spot to a pretty none versatile player.  Also he hasn't proven he can master even AAA pitching just yet and he isn't a young player, so it would be a gamble for some team to select him but someone might do it.  The signs for success are there but I think most teams would prefer to invest in more versatile bench players.

     

    Rooker is the player more comparable to Austin. Their power is similar as is their K rate.  Rooker has less experience but would have options and Austin didn't light the world on fire last year. I like his potential but with Cron, Garver, Austudillo, and others somebody is going to have to go and I think it will be Austin but we'll see.

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    Nick, 

     

    I love ya but C'mon... we can't go around quoting splits based on 242 AB's vs. Righties and 125 AB's  vs. lefties over two seasons of sporadic playing time and make it mean something because it's the only data we have.

     

    This is completely unfair to the player because everybody else gets to at least get closer to critical mass. 

     

    I know you are trying to support him and I'm right there with ya with support for him myself but trying to salvage his value by turning him into a left handed specialist will only hasten his departure. 

    I'm not sure what you're saying here RB. I'm using the data we have, which jibes with what I've seen. Austin has been a good hitter in the majors, was a very good hitter in the minors. Given that he just turned 27 and has only had the opportunity to play sporadically, I see room for growth yet. Finding him a role where he can maximize ABs against LHP seems like the best way to get him on the roster, derive immediate value, and gradually find him more playing time if he hits.

    Hmm...

     

    Nelson Cruz (through age 26)

    145 games, 478 PA, .231/.282/.385, OPS+ 72, 119K, 30BB, no defensive value

     

    Tyler Austin (through age 26)

    120 games, 404 PA, .232/.290/.469, OPS+ 100, 148K, 30BB, no defensive value

     

    Cruz spent most of his age 27 season in the minors, but came up in August and was great for 31 games on the way to becoming the ongoing monster that now has 360 career HRs.

     

    I'm not saying Austin is the second coming of Nelson Cruz, but those numbers put an interesting spin on the conversation for me.

     

    Exactly

     

    Great post. The Book has not been written on Tyler Austin. Will he get a chance will determine how the story goes.

    I'm not sure what you're saying here RB. I'm using the data we have, which jibes with what I've seen. Austin has been a good hitter in the majors, was a very good hitter in the minors. Given that he just turned 27 and has only had the opportunity to play sporadically, I see room for growth yet. Finding him a role where he can maximize ABs against LHP seems like the best way to get him on the roster, derive immediate value, and gradually find him more playing time if he hits.

    It’s too soon and not enough stable data to drop him into the short end of a platoon. Trying to protect him against right handlers won’t help him. It will kill him because if he isn’t allowed to stabilize his right handed numbers he wont have a career.

     

    I’d like to keep him and play him and see if he can hit 40 homers with 500 Ab’s And you are right Cron and Cruz are going to be complications for keeping him.

     

    Unless he can be moved back to the OF to separate himself from the power hitting 1B/DH puppy mill that is spitting out Crons and Bours.

     

    I agree with what you are saying in a broad sense. Just specifically strongly disagree that his stats suggest anything yet and definitely don’t want to consider the short end of a platoon because he gets branded too early.

     

    It’s all good.

     

     

     

    ...Cruz spent most of his age 27 season in the minors, but came up in August and was great for 31 games on the way to becoming the ongoing monster that now has 360 career HRs...

     

     

     

    I didn't realize that Cruz had 360 HRs -- that's almost Bainesian!

     

    Cruz has 33.4 WAR and 360 HRs, with an .860 OPS. Baines had 38.7, 389, and .820, though with significantly more hits over a longer career. But does that mean that if Cruz has another solid year or two, folks could be pushing for the HOF? I know this belongs in another post, but that Baines selection keeps looking weaker and weaker to me.

     

    I didn't realize that Cruz had 360 HRs -- that's almost Bainesian!

     

    Cruz has 33.4 WAR and 360 HRs, with an .860 OPS. Baines had 38.7, 389, and .820, though with significantly more hits over a longer career. But does that mean that if Cruz has another solid year or two, folks could be pushing for the HOF? I know this belongs in another post, but that Baines selection keeps looking weaker and weaker to me.

    I don’t think even Baines was pushing for Baines for the HOF.

     

    Hmm...

     

    Nelson Cruz (through age 26)

    145 games, 478 PA, .231/.282/.385, OPS+ 72, 119K, 30BB, no defensive value

     

    Tyler Austin (through age 26)

    120 games, 404 PA, .232/.290/.469, OPS+ 100, 148K, 30BB, no defensive value

     

    Cruz spent most of his age 27 season in the minors, but came up in August and was great for 31 games on the way to becoming the ongoing monster that now has 360 career HRs.

     

    I'm not saying Austin is the second coming of Nelson Cruz, but those numbers put an interesting spin on the conversation for me. 

     

    The young Nelson Cruz was really a pretty good corner outfielder.

     

    Also note that at age 24 he hit .306/.388/.577 in AA, .269/.382/.490 in AAA. At 25, he hit .302/.378/.528 in AAA. At 26, he hit .352/.428/.698 in AAA. At 27, he hit .342/.429/.695 in yet another stint in AAA (God knows why).

     

    So, although it's true that he struggled to make the leap to the majors through age 26, the dude was just crushing minor league pitching--and really the Rangers probably should have given him more of a chance to settle in, a couple years before he came up to stay.

     

    Tyler Austin has done fairly well in the minors, but not quite as well as that, and last season at AAA he regressed to a .255/.311/.547 line between the NY/MIN affiliates. Maybe just a fluke, or maybe that's who he is. Steamer projects .240/.308/.447 for him next year, so 'low obp with some pop' is how he looks to the computer model.

     

    It's pretty clear: if Cruz (or any other pure DH type we sign) ends up here, then there is no plan with Austin. He will not be part of this organization

     

    I'm really not sure why you say this. This Cron character doesn't inspire me at all. I look at him as another Logan Morrison, and I'm guessing that is what we will get. Strikes out alot, hits for power, no one wants him, dumpster pickup. Don't expect alot from this guy. 

     

    Let him and Austin fight it out in Spring training. Put Cave in that group too. You can keep 2 of the three. None of the 3 of them are must haves. Let a couple win the job and one guy lose it. 

     

     

    If you can add Cruz on a reasonable term, you do it. At that point you lose Cron or Austin. You have nothing invested in Cron...little invested in Austin. If Garver can't catch, you might have had to make a call on one of these guys even without Cruz. I'm still not convinced you'll have a 4-man bench.

     

    I'm really not sure why you say this. This Cron character doesn't inspire me at all. I look at him as another Logan Morrison, and I'm guessing that is what we will get. Strikes out alot, hits for power, no one wants him, dumpster pickup. Don't expect alot from this guy. 

     

    Let him and Austin fight it out in Spring training. Put Cave in that group too. You can keep 2 of the three. None of the 3 of them are must haves. Let a couple win the job and one guy lose it. 

     

    Well mainly cause the article was about Austin but you can include Cron too. 

     

    The overall point is that if Cruz or another pure DH type ends up here somehow, they can't keep everyone on the roster. They can't keep all 3 around. Since this article is about Austin, I just used his name.

    I dug through the bbref pages to pull up the platoon splits for Austin, Cron, Cave and Cruz, including their minors numbers (but not Cruz' minors; plenty to go on from his MLB resume). Here are the results, which were somewhat surprising to me:

     

    Player PA vs RHP OPS vs RHP PA vs LHP OPS vs LHP

    Austin 2144 .... .834 .... 927 ... .811

    Cron 2716 ... .790 ... 1030 ... .833

    Cave 2355 ... .815 ... 836 ... .632

    Cruz 4651 ... .835 .... 1767 ... .927

     

    So Cruz, unsurprisingly, is the best player of the four, regardless of the starting pitcher. Signing him should help the team, depending, of course, on how much he declines. Note that Cruz OPSed over 850 in two of the past three years versus right handers.

     

    The second most valuable player from that group, in my view, is Austin. He has hit RHP just as well as Nelson Cruz over his career!

     

    Cave looks like the third most valuable, with an OPS north of 800 against RHP, which is more than 70% of the ABs. Of course, as a lefty with Kepler and Rosario, he doesn't have a good path to ABs in the OF, and he doesn't hit righties better than Austin or Cruz, either. And he is terrible versus lefties.

     

    Cron looks weakest from this group. Sure, he mashes lefties, but not much more than Austin, and definitely not more than Cruz.

    I don’t think that minor league OPS data particularly when not normed would not be very reliable.

     

    The strike out and walk rate splits would tell a much better story. Did you look at those? If the more recent minor league K/BB splits are similar I would have more confidence in his ability to hit major league right handed pitching.

    I know this is slightly off topic but it appears the Rays are in on Cruz and they have plenty of money to spend.  Sooo what does that say about what they think about Cron?  Was there some baseball move I don't understand where they lost him or do they not think he is that good?  Any ideas?

     

     

    I know this is slightly off topic but it appears the Rays are in on Cruz and they have plenty of money to spend.  Sooo what does that say about what they think about Cron?  Was there some baseball move I don't understand where they lost him or do they not think he is that good?  Any ideas?

     

    Well, they just spent more on a SP than than the Twins ever have (yearly average amount)....so maybe they are done? 

     

    I didn't realize that Cruz had 360 HRs -- that's almost Bainesian!

     

    Cruz has 33.4 WAR and 360 HRs, with an .860 OPS. Baines had 38.7, 389, and .820, though with significantly more hits over a longer career. But does that mean that if Cruz has another solid year or two, folks could be pushing for the HOF? I know this belongs in another post, but that Baines selection keeps looking weaker and weaker to me.

    Bonus points for using the term "Bainesian". Love it!

    I don’t think that minor league OPS data particularly when not normed would not be very reliable.

     

    The strike out and walk rate splits would tell a much better story. Did you look at those? If the more recent minor league K/BB splits are similar I would have more confidence in his ability to hit major league right handed pitching.

    For both Cron and Austin, they had K/BB numbers in the minors of about 2.5 to 1. In the majors, Cron’s rate jumped to 4:1, whereas Austin’s has jumped to 5:1.

     

    For Nelson Cruz, he had a similar rate of 2.5 or so to 1 K/BB in the minors and also in the majors.

     

    I would assume that both Austin and Cron would improve their K/BB rates over time, gravitating towards their minor league rates.

     

    On a slightly different note, Justin Bour has an OPS of 853 against righties, better than Austin, Cron, Cave and Cruz!

     

    For both Cron and Austin, they had K/BB numbers in the minors of about 2.5 to 1. In the majors, Cron’s rate jumped to 4:1, whereas Austin’s has jumped to 5:1.

    For Nelson Cruz, he had a similar rate of 2.5 or so to 1 K/BB in the minors and also in the majors.

    I would assume that both Austin and Cron would improve their K/BB rates over time, gravitating towards their minor league rates.

    On a slightly different note, Justin Bour has an OPS of 853 against righties, better than Austin, Cron, Cave and Cruz!

    Thanks for the work. I was interested in his K/BB ratio splits in the minors. Going back three years there is not a significant difference in the splits like there is in Austin's major league numbers. 

     

    136/65 v right

    65/30 v left

     

    With your prompting, I have more hope that Austin will hit right handed pitching much better than he has show the last three years in the majors.

     

    I dug through the bbref pages to pull up the platoon splits for Austin, Cron, Cave and Cruz, including their minors numbers (but not Cruz' minors; plenty to go on from his MLB resume).  Here are the results, which were somewhat surprising to me:

     

    Player     PA vs RHP     OPS vs RHP   PA vs LHP     OPS vs LHP

    Austin         2144   ....              .834  ....                   927    ...             .811

    Cron           2716    ...             .790    ...                1030     ...            .833

    Cave           2355    ...            .815    ...                 836      ...           .632

    Cruz            4651    ...            .835    ....               1767     ...           .927

       

    So Cruz, unsurprisingly, is the best player of the four, regardless of the starting pitcher.  Signing him should help the team, depending, of course, on how much he declines.  Note that Cruz OPSed over 850 in two of the past three years versus right handers.

     

    The second most valuable player from that group, in my view, is Austin.  He has hit RHP just as well as Nelson Cruz over his career!

     

    Cave looks like the third most valuable, with an OPS north of 800 against RHP, which is more than 70% of the ABs.  Of course, as a lefty with Kepler and Rosario, he doesn't have a good path to ABs in the OF, and he doesn't hit righties better than Austin or Cruz, either.  And he is terrible versus lefties.

     

    Cron looks weakest from this group.  Sure, he mashes lefties, but not much more than Austin, and definitely not more than Cruz. 

     

    Just to explore this a bit further, I went to look up the career splits for Kepler, Buxton, Rosario, and Sano.  Adding in minor league and major league ABs:

     

    Kepler 

    vs RHP.....PA: 2722....OPS: 803....vs LHP....PA: 860...OPS: 678

    Rosario

    vs RHP.....PA: 2974....OPS: 838....vs LHP....PA: 1203...OPS: 732

    Buxton

    vs RHP.....PA: 1977....OPS: 792....vs LHP....PA: 697...OPS: 801

    Sano

    vs RHP.....PA: 2760....OPS: 870....vs LHP....PA: 887...OPS: 918

     

    Copying the other numbers as well:

    Austin

    vs RHP.....PA: 2144....OPS: 834....vs LHP....PA: 927...OPS: 811

    Cron

    vs RHP.....PA: 2716....OPS: 790....vs LHP....PA: 1030...OPS: 833

    Cave

    vs RHP.....PA: 2355....OPS: 815....vs LHP....PA: 836...OPS: 632

    Cruz

    vs RHP.....PA: 4651....OPS: 835....vs LHP....PA: 1767...OPS: 927

     

    Certainly seems like Austin should be in the OF every time a lefty is on the mound, subbing in for either Kepler or Rosario.  And he should start at 1B against righties.

     

    Id like to see Austin get a chance, but don’t feel good about that with a 13 man bullpen. The 13th guy is usually only a mop up guy that the manager doesn’t want to use in meaningful situations anyway. Astudillo could be the mop up guy and his bat could be in the lineup 3-4 days a week or more if he earns it as a high OBP guy.




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