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    Same Old Story: Another Abject Postseason Failure


    Nick Nelson

    It didn't matter that the names and faces had changed. It didn't matter that they were facing a clearly inferior team, with home field advantage, in a series where two mere victories would've meant advancing. It didn't matter that they had just about everything going in their favor.

    At the end of the day, the Minnesota Twins did the same thing they've done in their past eight postseason appearances: came up short with a lackluster performance that screamed 'the moment is too big.'

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    Over the past two regular seasons, Minnesota has gone 137-85, winning 62% of their games and capturing back-to-back division titles. In the postseason, those same teams have gone 0-5, extending the franchise's streak of postseason futility to 18 games while rarely even making the Yankees or Astros or sweat.

    The Twins have trailed almost constantly in all of these games. They are not dramatic affairs. These teams aren't getting outplayed by high-caliber opponents that are stepping up. It's bad baseball and a chronic deluge of self-inflicted pain.

    One thing that was different this time around was the quality of starting pitching: Kenta Maeda and José Berríos both brought it on the big stage. Nearly everything else, however, was all too familiar. A lineup that went completely silent, with key figures disappearing. Defenders failing to execute in critical spots. Normally reliable relievers lapsing at the worst possible moments.

    Yes, the Twins had their share of misfortune, with Josh Donaldson unavailable for the series and Byron Buxton unable to start the second game. That's certainly been a recurring theme in their endless playoff struggles. But good clubs rise up and overcome. I mean, the Houston team they faced off against in this latest series was without its bona fide ace and single most valuable postseason asset in Justin Verlander.

    Here are just a few of the characteristically vexing blunders I counted in two losses against Houston:

    • Tyler Duffey, who never allowed four baserunners in an appearance all season, gave up three hits and a walk (plus the game-tying run) in his one inning of work Tuesday. He finished his outing by issuing a leadoff walk in the eighth to Jose Altuve, who posted a .629 OPS in the regular season. Duffey now has a 2.31 ERA and 0.94 WHIP ratio in 80 regular-season appearances over the past two years. In four postseason appearances: 3 ⅔ IP, 6 H, 5 ER, 3 BB.
    • Jorge Polanco, a 2019 All-Star whose game has taken a massive step backward this year, was especially flat. He went 1-for-7 with a single at the plate, and committed the most costly gaffe of the series when he failed to cleanly deliver a throw to Luis Arraez 15 feet away at second base, leading a decisive three-run inning for the Astros.
    • Sergio Romo, a heralded postseason performer who's generally been effective for the Twins, was on the hill for said three-run inning. While Polanco's error didn't help him, Romo also didn't help himself. He gave up two hits and a walk while recording just two outs, and the walk brought home the go-ahead run (for the first time in MLB postseason history – another ignominious record for the Twins). Oh, and it was the weak-hitting Altuve who drew that walk, his second of the game.
    • Eddie Rosario, known for his big-game theatrics and clutch moments, went 0-for-7 at the plate before getting himself ejected in the sixth inning of Game 2. Batting fourth and fifth in the two contests, he was a total nonfactor at the heart of the order. It's likely that we've seen the last of Rosario in a Twins uniform, and if so, his career in Minnesota ends on a very sour note.
    • Even Rocco Baldelli – whom I hold in high esteem as a manager – had a tough series. It's easy to judge in hindsight, but nearly every questionable decision he made failed to work out. Despite both starting pitchers looking stellar, he went to the bullpen early in each game – relievers couldn't hold ties or leads. He went through several relievers twice without ever turning to Tyler Clippard or Matt Wisler, who were among his most effective all year. He pinch-hit Mitch Garver for Ryan Jeffers early in Game 1, then pulled Garver for Alex Avila immediately afterward, leading to the eventuality of Willians Astudillo coming up as the tying run in the bottom of the ninth.

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    These were just a few notable lowlights from another collectively uninspiring and underwhelming all-around performance. The Twins failed to capitalize on any of the numerous mistake pitches that came their way, went 1-for-10 with runners in scoring position and stranded 13 men on base. They left the bases loaded without scoring in the first inning of both games. They ran into multiple outs on the base paths, squandering opportunities that were in short supply. Nobody other than Nelson Cruz drove in a run.

    The Twins made things so easy on Houston that Dusty Baker almost never had to go to his bullpen, using only six total pitchers as long relievers cruised through successful innings.

    These are just the indicators of a team that wasn't up to the task, and sadly that's been a perpetual reality for the Minnesota Twins in October (or, in this case, late September). It's unfortunate that the current coaches and players have to bear the weight of 18 consecutive postseason losses spread across 17 years, but they've done their part in contributing to it. So it goes.

    There's always next year. Until then we can only sit and wonder how this cursed run of impossible ineptitude keeps on snowballing, and when it will ever end.

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    Like Gardy, Rocco is a pretty good regular season manager, but he's an even worse post season manager. I don't think we will ever win a post season series with him as manager. I know it won't happen, but I'd be fine moving on.

     

    FWIW, even given that they were underdogs in the vast majority of the games, the odds of losing these 18 games in a row is approximate 1 in 20,000. It's truly unbelievable. 

    As for the FA's: Letting Odorizi go is a no brainer. Gonzalez as well. My feeling on Cruz has shifted. I think we are seeing the beginning of what will likely be a swift decline from him. His last month reminds me of Jim Thome 2011. There is certainly no way I'd give him a 2-year deal. i know he's our clubhouse leader and all, but really, where has that gotten us? I'd try to keep May and Clippard if he's cheap. 

     

    I'd assume 130 million is going to be about the maximum payroll can go next year given the uncertainties. 

     

    2B Arreaz

    CF Buxton

    RF Kepler

    3B Donaldson

    LF Kierloff

    DH Rooker

    SS Polanco

    1B Sano

    C Jeffers

     

    Bench:

    Garver

    Adrianza

    Wade

    Astudillo

     

    Starters:

    Trevor Bauer

    Maeda

    Berrios

    Pineda

    Dobnak

     

    Bullpen:

    Duffy

    May

    Rodgers

    Clippard

    Stashak

    Alcala

    Thielbar

    Lefty FA

     

     

     

    Twins 2021:

    Hitters

    C-Jeffers/Garver

    1B-someone who can hit

    2B-Arraez

    3B-Donaldson

    SS-Lewis

    LF-Larnach

    CF-someone who can stay healthy

    RF-Kirilloff

    DH-Cruz

    Bench-Polanco, Rooker, Wade, Blankenhorn

    GoodBye- Avila, Astudillo, Sano, Rosario, Buxton, Kepler, Adrianza, Cave, Marwin.

    Pitchers

    SP-Maeda, Berrios, Pineda, Balazovic, add 1

    RP-Clippard, Wisler, Alcala, add 3 Hill possible resign for a long relief role.

    I've seen enough of May, Stashak, Duffey, Rogers and Romo. Not impressed with Dobnak. Let's move forward, not sideways.  

    I would give May, Stashak and Duffey another chance. I don't want to see Romo and Dobnak. 1B-somone who can hit, that would be Rooker. I might give Buxton another chance since he was hit by a pitch, it's at least uncontrollable this time. I also suggest to send Duffey and Rocco out for vacation as soon as the regular season ends.

    I never read about any of your minor league pitchers coming up to make an impact. As I pointed out last year there were many awful teams that lost 89 or more that you hit over 200 HRs off of their pitching and less off of the better teams. This wasn't an anomaly.

     

    You need a better model for pitching as thinking Homer Bailey, Rich Hill and Odorizzi was going to dominate good teams.

     

    You should look at Maeda's second half numbers as he becomes a reliever.

     

    Where's the minor league pitching prospects? Good pitching stops good hitting is the old cliche.

     

    I think Polanco can be fixed. He seemed to have some pretty obvious mechanical issues when hitting left-handed, and I think if attended to, he could be back to his usual self in 2021. Kepler is simply an enigma and I'm tired of Sano. 

    Polanco is enigmatic as well. His defense was remarkable improved, yet that left-handed batting thing, ouch.

     

    I started watching this team while I was a teenager in 2002, after I'd moved to Minnesota the summer before high school and had nothing else to do. They went to the ALCS that year and had no real business being there and they captured my imagination. I am now in my mid-30s and I have been following them ever since. Grown up, in the middle of a career, I have children, a house. My life progresses and yet this Twins team does not. While everything changes around me all the time, there is one thing I can count on. The Twins will be a disappointment. They will make you wonder why you spend all your time and energy on it. But, same as every other damn year, I will watch it again the next. The seasons will pass, sun will rise and set, tides will roll in and out, and the Twins will still suck. See you all next spring.

    Well just like you, I started to pay attention to Twins as soon as I came to USA and then moved to Duluth for college around winter time in 1991. I then moved back NY a few years later and I have been a Twins fan ever since.

    Inexcusable to pull the SPs after 5 innings with 75-90 pitches thrown (with a run or less given up.)

     

    Just-BAT-S-CRAZY!  The second and third order effects with bullpen use and outcomes were entirely predictable.

     

    Happy with manager and FO overall, but they need to seriously reevaluate the difference between regular season and post season strategy.

     

    As for the FA's: Letting Odorizi go is a no brainer. Gonzalez as well. My feeling on Cruz has shifted. I think we are seeing the beginning of what will likely be a swift decline from him. His last month reminds me of Jim Thome 2011. There is certainly no way I'd give him a 2-year deal. i know he's our clubhouse leader and all, but really, where has that gotten us? I'd try to keep May and Clippard if he's cheap. 

     

    I'd assume 130 million is going to be about the maximum payroll can go next year given the uncertainties. 

     

    2B Arreaz

    CF Buxton

    RF Kepler

    3B Donaldson

    LF Kierloff

    DH Rooker

    SS Polanco

    1B Sano

    C Jeffers

     

    Bench:

    Garver

    Adrianza

    Wade

    Astudillo

     

    Starters:

    Trevor Bauer

    Maeda

    Berrios

    Pineda

    Dobnak

     

    Bullpen:

    Duffy

    May

    Rodgers

    Clippard

    Stashak

    Alcala

    Thielbar

    Lefty FA

    I would let Rooker start at 1B. Cruz has to be brought back even if it's a two-year deal. Sano needs to earn to start at 1B or he can ride the bench. Adrianza and Astudillo need to be let go or demoted. Garver needs to improve or he should be demoted. I have a lot more faith in Rich Hill than Dobnak. Rogers and Thielbar should be reevaluated. Wisler should be brought back instead of Thielbar. Rogers need to improve and I would like to see two more effective lefties in the bullpen.

    All Twins hitters should watch tonight's game (Yankees vs Indians) and take notes. See how those Yankees hitters take care of their business. It feels like all their hitters are either Arraez or Cruz and they can get runs across at will.

    Weird season in the middle of a weird year. I hope not to read about any TD people getting a bad case of the virus. I hope the Twins players manage to stay reasonably healthy this off-season. Looks like the Twins have a solid new catcher in Jeffers, and a pitching staff that looks promising. 

     

    Take care, everybody. 

    Jimbo

     

    All Twins hitters should watch tonight's game (Yankees vs Indians) and take notes. See how those Yankees hitters take care of their business. It feels like all their hitters are either Arraez or Cruz and they can get runs across at will.

     

    I was amazed at how they would stay alive in the 9th, and definitely not be taking a close pitch with 2 strikes, but they adjusted their swings, and not just to make contact, but to put it in play in a place to have a chance to sneak through the infield... and they did. Impessive. And Sanchez just wanted a fly ball for a sac fly, and did it. Very Impressive. 

     

    I'm going to have to disagree with you there. What was our record without Buxton and Donaldson this year? Certainly not bad enough to cause two consecutive lifeless losses at home, as the favored team, with a favored starting pitching matchup. Odds are, a healthy Buxton and Donaldson would have joined the malaise; at best, they may have occasionally reached base only to be stranded by their teammates.

     

    And it's not like other clubs aren't missing players. Houston was missing Yordan Alvarez, Justin Verlander, and Roberto Osuna.

     

    Since you asked...

     

    (all including playoffs)

    With Donaldson, 17-8 (.680)

    Without Donaldson, 19-18 (.514)

     

    With Buxton, 22-14 (.611)

    Without Buxton, 14-12 (.538)

     

    It’s impossible to know what things would have been like, but a lot of us noticed the different feel the team had when they were back from injury. You describe “malaise” of the last two days, and I think that’s a good description. But I don’t think they have that malaise with them present. If they do, Donaldson is one of the guys in the dugout most likely to address It. 

     

    It’s even more impossible to know that specific things would have been different, but here’s a few things that come to mind: 

    *The lineup is simply longer with Donaldson and Buxton in it. On Wednesday, a guy made his MLB debut with the bases loaded in the first. If they’re healthy, Kiriloff isn’t up in that situation.

    *On Tuesday, they got Greinke to 30 pitches in the first inning, without one of their most patient hitters in the lineup. Wednesday, they got Urquidy to 26 in the first, again without the patient Donaldson. 

    *A couple of specific defensive plays come to mind where Marwin wasn’t able to make the tough play at third and Donaldson has a much better likelihood of making it. Tuesday’s was particularly crucial, when he didn’t make the play on what would have been the third out of the seventh inning. Springer followed with the RBI single. It also cost Duffey a few pitches, so he might have gotten more of the 8th.

    *Wednesday’s play didn’t lead to a run in the top of the fifth, but if Berrios gets out with one fewer batter, he’s more likely to get the sixth.

    *We don’t know who would have replaced Rosario, but with Marwin and Kiriloff on the bench, perhaps Cave isn’t flailing at ball four with the tieing run on base.  

     

    We don’t know how things would have played out. And yes, the Astros were missing players, but it also makes a difference to have weeks to prepare for missing pieces, rather than days as in the case of Donaldson and Berrios. And yes, they still needed to figure out how to get hits.

     

    But I think it’s definitely a different series with those two available and healthy. 

     

    Initially, I was going to refrain from saying anything since I didn't want to knee jerk any thoughts. A few hours later, I feel calm enough and compelled to be able to speak/write calmly.

    Just understand, while ever the optimist, I am PO'd, disappointed, frustrated and borderline embarrassed. But calm now, lol.

    1] Baldelli has done a great job thus far, even if I disagree with him on occasion. Calls for him to be replaced are emotional and misguided at best. That being said, I believe he pulled Maeda and Berrios too early. It's the playoffs! You play for NOW and not tomorrow. You may love and trust your pen, but when you have a pair of quality SP doing their job, you trust in them first and shorten the game. Absolutely do not agree with removing Jeffers in game 1. Made zero sense then and makes ZERO sense now.

    2] The starting pitching did not lose these games. Maeda and Berrios were GOOD, and had mkre in the tank, IMO. And while there was some crumbling of the pen, to be sure, I don't feel the pen really lost these games. (Mkre on that to come). Despite some less than stellar moments late in the year, the Twins had one of the best pens around this season. Time and again they performed including bullpen games when injuries affected the rotation.

    There remains room for improvement, and there will be a couple new faces via trade, FA or promotion of young arms. And yes, I want May back. You don't just walk away from arms like that with mostly good results, especially when you see another level oh so close for them to reach.

    Just being calm, I'm excited as can be that the rotation in 2021 begins with Maeda and Berrios and Pineda. The Twins then need a healthy Odorizzi back for next season, OR, an equivalent Oddorizi/Maeda FA signing or trade acquisition. May seem easier said than done, but they've already done it. Honestly, might be best to bank on Oddo, a known quantity. They then need a decent, smart move similar to Pineda, Hill or Bailey type to compete with Dobnak and prospects.

    The pitching was good in 2020 and mostly good in these 2 vastly disappointing games. There is room to continue to grow and get even better. But again, I don't think pitching lost this series.

    That brings us to the #1 problem with this frustrating and embarrassing early exit:

    3] The offense/lineup needs to be re-worked. The problem is, who and how? Offense was remarkably down all across MLB this season. The Twins were absolutely not the only team to see nosedive in overall performance as a team, or from individuals. Honestly, do Garver, Kepler and Polanco, etc, need to be given up on and jettisoned because of a crazy, weird, mixed up season? If true, then there will be a TON of guys across baseball moved or given walking papers based solely on this crazy year. Sorry folks, it isn't happening. There will be a whole lot of "re-sets" for all teams in 2021.

    Power is king in MLB, but it always has been. We all know this. There are a lot of ways to score runs and there still are today despite the changes in the game. But even 20/30/40 years ago, power has always been productive, proven and coveted. Maybe more so in the post season when you face top pitching and stringing together a series of hits to score becomes futile at times.

    But there is a major difference between having POWER while also having the ability to HIT a ball somewhere and even make CONTACT. I can't and won't single out any player on this roster. Nor will I point an easy finger towards the hitting coaches. There is an ancient expression that goes: "those who live by the sword die by the sword". Unfortunately...covid, short ramp up, injuries, adjustments by the opposition, or bad luck for bad seasons for multiple players...the Twins didn't HIT well this season, especially when it mattered most.

    How many times did a batter, a batter with power even, fail to get a runner in with something as simple as a sac fly? I get a SO is better than a double play. But dang it, sometimes putting the ball in play is much better than a SO or an infield/foul pop up!

    With no blame pointed at any individual, the offense has been the most disappointing part of 2020 and this disappointing/frustrating early exit.

    Is Arraez the only HITTER on the team as currently constructed? I'd like to think not when I look at the talent on hand, and past production. And maybe we can dismiss a lot of poor BA and OB to this whole crazy season. Or maybe the FO and coaching staff need to re-evaluate a few spots here and there and find a change or two that can provide more balance.

    As for me, I am ecstatic there was baseball in 2020 and I enjoyed the hell out of watching my Twins have another great season, despite an ugly finish. They have won back to back banners and have a window of opportunity that still appears wide open when I look at the roster and what is coming up! And I will be kept a little bit warmer when winter hits due to the Hot Stove and impending 2021 ST.

    Your point about power is well stated. Power isn’t trying to jerk every pitch towards your pull side over the fence. See Dozier, Brian. Yes, if you get a nice cookie early in the count go for it. If not, that’s where discipline comes in. Sometimes later in the count you simply must concede the advantage to the pitcher, and go with what he throws you. But since power has become so over emphasized in baseball today, hitters are still trying to pull that 1-2 slider off the corner down the line. The outcome is predictable. Guys like Cruz and Miguel Cabrera have figured this out. The Sano’s of the world may never get a handle on it. I do think the emphasis on hitting the ball in the air has compounded the problem. Players are human, and they start to hit a few HR’s and it becomes a narcotic. The temptation to think you can do it with regularity becomes hard to resist. If I am a pitcher, the guy I want to see come up late in the game with men on base is one of these wannabe power guys with 20 HR’s, all 50’ from the foul pole. He’s as good as money in my bank. 

    Gotta love Rocco resting Byron Buxton in an elimination game, because he "is not felling 100 percent". 

     

    The previous day Buxton got a hit and an SB in Game 1. Not feeling 100%??? Huh? At this point in the season, is anyone 100%?

     

    Like seriously. "Not feeling 100%"? It's an elimination playoff game, Rocco.

     

     The shift in certain scenarios led to runs being scored, when runs are a premium in playoffs.  Kudos to weak seeing eye singles, but they should have been outs and no damage.

    It drives me crazy when you shift 3 players to the pull side (like with Bregman up) and then pitch the ball to the outside edge, which he easily hit to the spot where the 2nd baseman would normally be. The over shifts take away from a pitchers ability to pitch effectively. 

    Inexcusable to pull the SPs after 5 innings with 75-90 pitches thrown (with a run or less given up.)

     

    Just-BAT-S-CRAZY! The second and third order effects with bullpen use and outcomes were entirely predictable.

     

    I wish it were that simple, but the Astros did the same thing with pulling their starting pitchers, and they swept us. Yankees did it in our ALDS last year and swept us too.

     

    I agree with some of the above, and maybe taking a step back and retooling a bit.  

    Rosario is probably gone, they need to make a decision between Garver and Jeffers (I prefer Jeffers), Gonzales will probably go to a club that is closer to winning, and knows how, same with Cruz if the Twins cannot retain him.

    Pitching, would like to see them resign Hill, and maybe extend Pineda.  See what they can do with Berrios and if nothing shop him.

    Twins need to find leaders in the clubhouse, seem to be lacking except for a couple of veterans.  Should be an interesting offseason.

    Rosario gone: Definitely. If they started Kirilloff in that game, there's no way they don't trust him to play opening day, and he's much cheaper and quite possibly better.

     

    Garver and Jeffers: I don't think much needs to be figured out. They'll probably split time and if Garver rebounds even a little bit they probably combine for one of the better tandems of catchers in baseball

     

    Marwin: I think you have it backwards on Marwin. He barely eclipsed replacement level and was one of the worst regular hitters in all of baseball. He was the slowest runner on the team and that includes Cruz. Marwin looks absolutely cooked at 31 and quite possibly may not even get a major league deal with a bad team.

     

    Cruz: Probably gone if he wants two years

     

    Pitching: Would love to re sign Hill. Probably won't extend Pineda. The only reason they re signed him in the first place was how cheap he was from his extension. Berrios is going to hit the open market, that's a fact. I think I remember them offering him Aaron Nola money and he wanted more which is an absolute joke. They definitely won't trade him though.

    Considering the subject, Nick, I really don't want to say it was a great post. But the fact is you nailed it. I had moved on to 2021 after Tuesday's loss that shouldn't have been. 

     

    I see lots of talk above about 2021, but no one has mentioned the ugly truth. Yes, this team needs lots of changes to get over that last hurdle. But planning for 2021 is going to be almost impossible for the people that will be doing it.

     

    There are many questions the FO and owner will be facing. Will there be a normal 2021 spring training and season? If there is a 162 game season, will there be fans in the stands? And if so, how many? Will there be any progress towards a new CBA during the season? Or will baseball come to a halt after next year's post season? Considering the players unwillingness to give a nickel on their per game compensation during a pandemic, it sure seems like a strong possibility. And on a related note, will there be a minor league season? If not, baseball may have lost an entire group of players who were well into their development and won't be there to replace aging veterans over the coming years.

     

    And none of the above questions has much to do with any decisions about filling out a 2021 roster. But with that uncertainty, I don't see the Twins (or most teams) spending like normal. I will be surprised if lots of players don't end up on one year contracts for a lot less than they want. Likewise, I will be surprised if the Twins 2021 opening day payroll, assuming there is an opening day, is much over $100,000,000. And with Donaldson making $21,000,000, that doesn't leave room for any big free agent contracts.

     

     

    I'm going to have to disagree with you there. What was our record without Buxton and Donaldson this year? Certainly not bad enough to cause two consecutive lifeless losses at home, as the favored team, with a favored starting pitching matchup. Odds are, a healthy Buxton and Donaldson would have joined the malaise; at best, they may have occasionally reached base only to be stranded by their teammates.

     

    And it's not like other clubs aren't missing players. Houston was missing Yordan Alvarez, Justin Verlander, and Roberto Osuna.

     

    Without those two guys they were a .500 team. When both were healthy, they were great.

     

    I think Buxton and Donaldson take our defense from mediocre to very good, both infield and outfield. And when healthy, they were both mashing. Buxton healthy is a force, helmet flying off, running like crazy, hitting HRs all over the place, beating out singles and doubles. Donaldson is our 2nd best hitter when he's not hurt. 

     

    That game against the Reds really screwed the team.

     

    A manager who can't get his team psyched up for the playoffs just adds to the misery of 18 straight playoff series. Pitiful baseball as usual. Very embarassing to be a fan of this team as I've been since Oliva's rookie year.

    If I can compare across sports - Bud Grant was a great in season coach - but every year that we were in the Superbowl (4) we looked pathetic.  Lacking energy while teams like KC were flying high.  Bud wanted an even keel like Rocco, but in the big games we need the emotion of Puckett, Hrbek, Morris, Gladden.  I saw no emotions the last half season because we were not playing for the division lead (which the WS handed us) and that lack of emotion and drive carried over into the playoffs. Look at Miami in the NBA - they do not belong in the championship game, but our old friend Jimmy Butler willed them in. 

     

    What Rocco will say: “These guys BATTLED. We played them TOUGH and are looking forward to building on this next year. I am so PROUD of these guys.”

    What Rocco should say: "That wasn't good enough and that's not acceptable. Changes our coming and the guys that are ALLOWED to hang around better figure this the **** out or they won't be here anymore. **** the Yankees. Go Marlins."

    Too much of a country club atmosphere with this team starting in spring training. Historically in any sport teams and players need some discipline and toughness. And Rocco hasn’t proven that he’s a game manager yet. 

    From my baseball-less perch in Rochester, NY, I wish you all a safe off-season and look forward to more Twins baseball, hopefully, in 2021. And we hope to be able to resume play in AAA, to help develop the next crop of Twins going forward. It was a tough season for sure.

    I enjoyed reading everyone's feelings and opinions as well as being able to vent a bit about yet another failed post season. i appreciate that for the most part, the folks here respected each others thoughts, agree or disagree, without making the poster feel like they didn't belong.

     

    I'll make a comment about one thing I felt about game one: Romo has to not walk in the go-ahead run...no matter what transpired before. His job was to throw strikes and let his teammates back him up. In that capacity, Romo failed badly.

    Other than that, you all have made good observations about what caused us to crash and burn. From the way the Yankees took apart the Indians pitching staff, including the almost sure thing Cy Young winner,we probably wouldn't have had a chance against them anyway.

     

    As to who I'd like to see represent the AL in World Series....anyone but the Yankees! So again everyone....stay well. Already looking forward to 2021.

     

    Without those two guys they were a .500 team. When both were healthy, they were great.

    We played a below .500 team this week. And we were swept, at home, while looking completely and thoroughly lifeless.

     

     

    I think Buxton and Donaldson take our defense from mediocre to very good, both infield and outfield. And when healthy, they were both mashing. Buxton healthy is a force, helmet flying off, running like crazy, hitting HRs all over the place, beating out singles and doubles. Donaldson is our 2nd best hitter when he's not hurt. 

    I know Marwin misplayed a ball or two at third yesterday, but I don't think it factored in any scoring. Our outfield play was fine.

     

    Nothing against Buxton and Donaldson, all things equal of course I would rather have them in the lineup than not given the alternatives. But I really doubt their presence would have made much difference vs the Astros this week. Neither is immune to slumps themselves -- notice that Buxton was 0-11 with 7 Ks in his last 11 PAs *before* the HBP vs the Reds, and Donaldson was 4-for-30 in his last two postseasons. And they and their replacements still reached base 4 times in these two Astros games.

     

    Small sample size, but after losing the White Sox series, Kepler and Rosario were actually our two most productive hitters the rest of the season -- not Buxton and Donaldson. How did that work out in the playoffs? Those two were 0-for-12. Arraez had a fantastic return vs the Reds, then was 0-for-6 against the Astros.

     

    For a normal team, with normal performances, it seems perfectly rational to consider the effects of missing players. But a team hitting .109/.246/.145 (.392 OPS) across two games, favored at home, doesn't tell me they were two bats of Buxton and Donaldson caliber short on doing meaningfully better.

    We played a below .500 team this week. And we were swept, at home, while looking completely and thoroughly lifeless.

     

     

    I know Marwin misplayed a ball or two at third yesterday, but I don't think it factored in any scoring. Our outfield play was fine.

     

    Nothing against Buxton and Donaldson, all things equal of course I would rather have them in the lineup than not given the alternatives. But I really doubt their presence would have made much difference vs the Astros this week. Neither is immune to slumps themselves -- notice that Buxton was 0-11 with 7 Ks in his last 11 PAs *before* the HBP vs the Reds, and Donaldson was 4-for-30 in his last two postseasons. And they and their replacements still reached base 4 times in these two Astros games.

     

    Small sample size, but after losing the White Sox series, Kepler and Rosario were actually our two most productive hitters the rest of the season -- not Buxton and Donaldson. How did that work out in the playoffs? Those two were 0-for-12. Arraez had a fantastic return vs the Reds, then was 0-for-6 against the Astros.

     

    For a normal team, with normal performances, it seems perfectly rational to consider the effects of missing players. But a team hitting .109/.246/.145 (.392 OPS) across two games, favored at home, doesn't tell me they were two bats of Buxton and Donaldson caliber short on doing meaningfully better.

    It's impossible to know. It's also undeniable the Twins have been better with Buxton in the lineup over the past year plus.

     

    And I dont think there's any argument to be made Donaldson isn't better than Marwin Gonzalez.

     

    Doesn't matter, ultimately.

    You hit it right on the head.  Every year when playoffs start it is like a different team shows up.  No hits with runners in scoring position, bad pen work, bad base running, errors.  I do not know if it is the players, the coaching staff, or what it is that makes this happen.  I hate when people claim nerves as some excuse, like only the Twins have same level of nerves, if that is the case and the other teams are not nervous, then maybe it is the player or coaching staff that does not prepare for the game well enough. 

     

    I'm curious with an organizational answer. The Post Season failings are verging on 3 generations of line up, 3 managers, 2 1/2 front offices, Multiple high draft picks, and a dedication to analytics and 'new school thought'. Fine and good, but nothing has changed when it comes down to winning 2 of 3 games. Yes, everything is a crapshoot in post season, but we seem to roll the dice to crap the bed no matter who's managing, scouting, front-officing, or playing.

     

    Analytics don't mean **** in the postseason. The big names always shine. Why is that? Why do no names rarely make a difference?

     

    Flat out you need a few studs. You really don't have any. You have some good players, but you don't have a Kirby Puckett, you don't have a Frank Viola or a Jack Morris, you don't even have a Chuck Knoblauch.  

     

    Look back in history and lets find how many low-paid, mid level players made much of a difference when it came to the postseason. These guys get paid for a reason. 




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