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Posted
7 minutes ago, hitterscount said:

It’s no contest 

The manager who won a playoff series? With a winning percentage over .500? I really think people have forgotten how bad most managers have been for this team, winning wise.... And that's with the GM destroying the team after the break last year. 

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It is really nice just watching this team play now. They are not the most talented team in the AL but I love teams that play for one another like TB and MIL. Let's keep it going in CHI this week.


 

 

Posted
3 hours ago, ashbury said:

Rocco never had the horses to work with, like Derek Shelton does.

FWIW, I never disparaged Rocco, but you might need to give a lengthy explanation of "horses" since the current roster was picked for the worst record in recent Twins play and that was before the loss of stalwarts Lewis and Wallner.

Or .... did you mean the current set of coaches?

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1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

FWIW, I never disparaged Rocco, but you might need to give a lengthy explanation of "horses" since the current roster was picked for the worst record in recent Twins play and that was before the loss of stalwarts Lewis and Wallner.

Or .... did you mean the current set of coaches?

Or .... maybe I was being playful and today is Opposites Day.

Posted
6 hours ago, ashbury said:

Or .... maybe I was being playful and today is Opposites Day.

The current roster was not even close to predicted to be the worst team. Not by any national site I saw. 

Posted
15 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

The manager who won a playoff series? With a winning percentage over .500? I really think people have forgotten how bad most managers have been for this team, winning wise.... And that's with the GM destroying the team after the break last year. 

It’s night and day difference, plate approaches, defense (yesterday’s game saving relay), starting pitchers getting an extra inning or two… basic fundamental baseball… plus the job Shelton has done with this group of arms in the BP. Rocco did less with more….. IMO it’s noticeable that the effort and team first approach is different.

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4 hours ago, hitterscount said:

It’s night and day difference, plate approaches, defense (yesterday’s game saving relay), starting pitchers getting an extra inning or two… basic fundamental baseball… plus the job Shelton has done with this group of arms in the BP. Rocco did less with more….. IMO it’s noticeable that the effort and team first approach is different.

It's one of the worst defenses in the game. That's an interesting choice....

Posted
9 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

It's one of the worst defenses in the game. That's an interesting choice....

You might be the wrong poster, if so my bad…. but aren’t you the guy arguing all last year how valuable Matt Wallner was? If that is accurate I think enough has changed,… let’s see what the defense looks like with Wallner and Lewis being where they belong, can’t bat their weight and arguably two of the worst defensive players on the team, . Sorry my view of Rocco gets you so defensive, well not really it’s my view.

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23 minutes ago, hitterscount said:

You might be the wrong poster, if so my bad…. but aren’t you the guy arguing all last year how valuable Matt Wallner was? If that is accurate I think enough has changed,… let’s see what the defense looks like with Wallner and Lewis being where they belong, can’t bat their weight and arguably two of the worst defensive players on the team, . Sorry my view of Rocco gets you so defensive, well not really it’s my view.

Certainly removing those two should help, but they were on last year's team, so how do we judge the previous manager for that? I'm not defensive, I'm stating that imo people have short memories for how bad most winning percentage have been for this team's managers... People also have a tendency to rate managers great when teams are winning, when it's really the players. I'm happy we can disagree politely! Have a great day. 

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15 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Certainly removing those two should help, but they were on last year's team, so how do we judge the previous manager for that? I'm not defensive, I'm stating that imo people have short memories for how bad most winning percentage have been for this team's managers... People also have a tendency to rate managers great when teams are winning, when it's really the players. I'm happy we can disagree politely! Have a great day. 

I had a two word response to someone’s post on Shelton versus Rocco. The last two years of Twins baseball was miserable, canceled my MLB subscription when he was given an extension, was the teams poor play all Rocco, absolutely not. But from my point of view they were undisciplined, poor fundamentals all over the field, his handling of SP’s, pinch hitting at weird times, I could go on…. my expectations for this year were 70-74 wins…. they’re playing damn good ball and have been fun to watch again….. hence why I believe Shelton has hands down been better.

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