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The Twins are not actively pushing for a trade. That is rather silly, in my view. If they really want him for the future, they can just sign him in the offseason. Meanwhile, give him a chance to compete this year for some team. There are mid-level prospects in various organizations.

 

Wait, when did they say they weren't actively pushing for a Morneau trade?

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Off subject, but, for whatever insane reason, the Twins were interested in Jake Arrieta and now are interested in Bud Norris. I cannot understand at all.

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You're right- he does make good points. The thought that his perceived value is low-- could be bothering Justin and part of the source of his recent sluggish production.

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Just like almost everyone else, Mackey ignores the wooly mammoth in the room when discussing Morneau's value. Morneau has been dreadful against left-handed pitching since The Injury. And by ignoring that, he fails to note that Morneau has been good this year and great last year against right-handers.

 

He's batted .285/.351/.427 against righties this season, and .290/.371/.531 last season. Contract aside, the former line has value as a bench bat and depth at 1b/DH, and the latter would be an upgrade for many teams over what they're currently starting at 1b or DH (or even both) against right-handed pitching.

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Just like almost everyone else, Mackey ignores the wooly mammoth in the room when discussing Morneau's value. Morneau has been dreadful against left-handed pitching since The Injury. And by ignoring that, he fails to note that Morneau has been good this year and great last year against right-handers.

 

He's batted .285/.351/.427 against righties this season, and .290/.371/.531 last season. Contract aside, the former line has value as a bench bat and depth at 1b/DH, and the latter would be an upgrade for many teams over what they're currently starting at 1b or DH (or even both) against right-handed pitching.

 

- he would be the best option for the Twins for this role too.

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- he would be the best option for the Twins for this role too.

If the Twins can't at least approximate Morneau's offensive value with a platoon of players currently within the organization by the time they contend in 2015, then it seems likely that the farm system will have underachieved so much relative to its current and lofty ranking that... the Twins probably will not contend in 2015.

 

If that's the case, maybe the Twins will keep Morneau around as a fan favorite on what is essentially a combination of a prospect sifter and exhibition squad, sort of like Molitor and Steinbach in '98. In other words, you may be right, but I hope not.

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Looking is a lot different than making offers. Several clubs might be interested just as last year if all the Twins were looking at was a salary dump.

cmb0252 FCL Twins

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Josh Johnson for Justin Morneau.... who says no?

 

(contracts are almost exactly a wash)

 

How does make sense? Why would a team trade for Morny by trading one of its starters?

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Looking is a lot different than making offers. Several clubs might be interested just as last year if all the Twins were looking at was a salary dump.
What makes you think they aren't looking to make another salary dump? I'm guessing the price isn't very high for Morneau at this point.
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If they can trade him or a couple of C prospects do it. It's not a salary dump. Joe Mays, David Ortiz, Alexi Casilla, Nick Punto and Jason Bartlett were not organizational top 10 prospects when they acquired them. They were all at least useful major leaguers.

 

The alternative is two months with nothing in return.

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I saw we are actualy talking to BAL about a trade, they need a better DH. I have no clue what the return would be.

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fair enough, though Ryan traded Castillo just to save 1M in 2007. I appreciate the facts check, though. I hadn't considered Hughes salary.

I thought the trade was to clear the way for Casilla and his defense was slipping. Plus there was that marvelous no hit catching prospect to take the place of Redman.

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I saw we are actualy talking to BAL about a trade, they need a better DH. I have no clue what the return would be.

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90% of the value for trading Morny is freeing up at bats for the guys stuck in AAA. Arcia and Parm need big league at bats. I would be happy getting a RPing prospect who is cost controlled or a lottery ticket prospect at this point.

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I suspect that the Twins think that 99.99% of the value of a Morneau trade is in the cost savings.

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I wonder if the Twins have interest in Brian Matusz, and trying to re-work him as a starter?

 

That would be a great deal for the Twins. They probably can't part with Matusz who has been very good in the bullpen from the left side. We could add Duensing, but they wouldn't see him as a very good replacement for Matusz.

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90% of the value for trading Morny is freeing up at bats for the guys stuck in AAA. Arcia and Parm need big league at bats. I would be happy getting a RPing prospect who is cost controlled or a lottery ticket prospect at this point.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but they already have at bats for Arcia. I can't see including Parm in the decision making process. Morny has value in the current lineup and I can't see cutting a check for 5-6M if Ryan can't receive something fairly significant in return. Just like Perkins, I think it's a win-win situation. If we can get a haul great, if not we retain 2 of our better players. 7-31 in not a defining moment in this franchise.
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I think the Yankees will go after him. A lot of guys in his position go into NY and hit homers to right field. He fits that ballpark well, whereas Target Field, not so much.

 

Good point. Plus, the Yankees might be able to help him get his swing back. If he still is physically capable of swinging a bat that hard.

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The last few games might have them thinking Colabello is worth looking at for the rest of the season or most likely a platoon of Colabello and Parm. Arcia is then an everyday starter with Thomas and Mastro platooning. Hopefully Doumit is gone in a couple days and Herman takes over his role. Doumit has been good at times this year but Herman is better defensively in both positions so let's see what he can produce with the bat the rest of the year.

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Trade still has to make sense. It makes more sense to trade Doumit if you are talking about freeing up AB's. Then Arcia can replace Thomas. My feeling is that Arcia and Parmelee will not be back until September as they were sent to Rochester to be part of a hopefully playoff run. The best part of trading Morneau will be to see if Colabello can man first base at least for the next couple of seasons. I still believe trading him is best, get some return rather than none when he leaves at the end of the season. I used to believe that we should resign him. Now I believe we are better off looking in a different direction and using the freed up money on starting pitching in the offseason.

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Doug Mittler at ESPN notes the Twins and O's have had preliminary talks about Morny. He does caution that the O's are reluctant to add payroll and have limited trade chips. Doug Mittler also notes Pelfrey as a pitching sleeper target for some teams and suggests he could be a good fit for the O's.

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I just want to make sure I come out aggressively with this comment so I can be proven badly wrong minutes or hours later: I still don't believe that Morneau will be traded. Gleeman and Bonnes seemed almost sure he would be gone because they're applying baseball logic to the front office.

 

I think the Twins are very cautious about shooting themselves in the foot with their fans regarding players they actually care about. Trading Morneau isn't like dumping Luis Castillo or even Liriano at the deadline. This guy was an MVP and a face of the franchise. There are a ton of people who still believe he's a middle of the order hitter. They're wrong, but that doesn't mean their opinions don't "matter".

 

If the return for a Morneau rental is Eduardo Escobar and a replacement level reliever, yes, that makes "baseball sense" by incrementally adding assets, but let's be real, they aren't getting anything of value. And if they have to pick up a portion of the salary to move him, I'm even less convinced that this front office will pay for a player they no longer employ, WHILE pissing off the fans for trading him in the first place.

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