Gardy more likely to be let go or move on?

[Pius Jefferson]

He doesn't have a contract beyond this season, but do you think it would be more likely he'd move on or the Twins wouldn't extend him after the season?

 

Most of the talk is letting him go, (which I don't disagree with) but how long is he going to want to manage a team with zero starting pitching and hope the cavalry will get here sooner rather than later?

[beckmt]

TR has said that most of the blame is his for the players he has provided Gardy with. However another season with less than 70 wins could be the end, just to provide a new voice. There are a couple of clubs that could well be looking for new managers at the end of the year(Toronto, LAD). Both have a much bigger talent base than the Twins and one of those might give Gardy a shot if the Twins let him go. I do not see him walking away.

[Nick Nelson]

I think Gardy will stick around as long as they'll have him. He's a Minnesota guy through and through. It's hard for me to picture the Twins letting him go but I don't know how you'd justify extending a manager after a third straight 95-loss season.

[howieramone1406390264]

Gardy is not going anywhere. The future is getting a little clearer everyday and there is no pressure whatsoever to make a change. The Twins will stay the course, as is their way. As the Twins view themselves this has been an okay year.

[greengoblinrulz]

Twins currently have the 5th worst record in MLB & on pace for 93 losses......that should answer the question.

Good managers get fired every year (world series winners Charly Manuel & Mike Scoscia later this year) & its not a knock on managerial skills but something that has to be done.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I think he's gone personally.

[Thrylos]

He will go the TK way. Retire and be around each spring training as a guest instructor. If they were to extend him, they would have done it by now.

 

Ticket sales have been declining each year the past 3 years for a good reason. At some point they got to do something to get rear ends on the seats, so they have to pretend they care about the record of the team and hold someone(s) accountable...

[drjim]

I also think he is gone. Probably played off as a mutual thing.

 

Despite complaints here and elsewhere I think he is a perfectly fine manager saddled with brutal pitching. But there comes a time for a new voice in leadership. 12 years is a good run.

[ThePuck]

I think Gardy will stick around as long as they'll have him. He's a Minnesota guy through and through. It's hard for me to picture the Twins letting him go but I don't know how you'd justify extending a manager after a third straight 95-loss season.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think they care about justifying anything they do or don't do. He'll be back with us next year and for years to come.

[JB_Iowa]

I have no idea what will happen. I wanted there to be a graceful parting of the ways last season and I guess I'm still hoping for that now.

 

Most of the blame for this season cannot be laid at Gardenhire's feet. But I have honestly believed for several years that it was time for a change. As I've said on a number of occasions, there's a reason for term limits in politics. There's a reason that church bodies often rotated ministers periodically, etc.

 

Constant turmoil is bad but occasional change is healthy. It is really time for Gardenhire to step down and make a place for new ideas, talent and enthusiasm. He may very well find a greater success in another organization than he has with the Twins but he is a stagnant force in Minnesota.

 

I hope it happens. If it does, I think it will be by mutual agreement (even if Gardenhire's agreeement is somewhat reluctant).

[Winston Smith]

166-244 a -78 over the last 2 1/2 years and a 0-12 playoff record going how many managers would still have a job?

[TKGuy]

TR and the Twins will stick with Gardy. After all, TK had 6-7 brutal years in the mid to late 90s and he didn't go anywhere. Grady's willingness to stick with hicks and playing Arcia has been a breath of fresh air. Who worried about their job would keep playing Hicks and now Hicks has passed the Mendoza line and is starting to get it. No way Gardy leaves for another job without being told he would not be retained

[TheLeviathan]

I'm pretty indifferent on this, I think there are enough changes in the coaching staff that it helps get some different voices out there. I think we are due a few more (Looking at you Andy), but I really don't think the manager role makes that big of a difference.

 

My only caveat to that is that if Paul Molitor wants the position (and only Ryan and Molly probably know) then I would go with that. We have a young team with some good, speedy prospects on the way and I have always loathed how the running game is handled under Gardy. For whatever reason it seems to be completely hand-cuffed. If Molitor wants the gig - I say goodbye to Gardy. If he doesn't, I'm cool with keeping Gardy, just give him an extension and don't go year-by-year then.

[ThePuck]

I want Ryno to be the next Twins manager.

[gunnarthor]

I think he'll be back but if he does go, it'll be his idea. I also wonder if they don't extend him during the season, if another team (Royals? Seattle?) gives him a strong offer before we do. He's only 55 and pretty well respected.

[Willihammer]

If I were Gardy, I'd bolt. The rest of the league holds him in pretty high regard and someone else might actually put a roster together for him.

[Guest USAFChief]

I actually agree with Thrylos. Gardy won't be the manager after this season, but he'll stay in the organization in the TK role of "revered ex-manager." I'm OK with that, it's time for a new voice in the dugout.

 

I also happen to think Gardy would have trouble finding another MLB manager gig. I don't think he's as well regarded around the league as many think.

[Nick Nelson]

I also happen to think Gardy would have trouble finding another MLB manager gig. I don't think he's as well regarded around the league as many think.

What do you base that on? He's finished Top 3 in Manager of the Year voting seven times. Yes, his teams have been lousy the past few years but I think most recognize that he hasn't had a whole lot to work with.

[jorgenswest]

The last two Twin successful runs started with going young and then a change in managers.

 

TK had a very young team from 1999-2001 (when they stopped signing decline phase fill ins) and Gardenhire took over the team as they reached .500.

 

Billy Gardner had very young teams from 1982-1985 returning them to around .500. It took a change to TK in 1986 (with interlude by Ray Miller) before the successful run from 1987-1992.

 

The Twins haven't gone young yet. They continue to try to fill in with decline phase players. If they do decide to go young and have everyone grow together, it would probably be good to have a new manager growth with them.

[jorgenswest]

What do you base that on? He's finished Top 3 in Manager of the Year voting seven times. Yes, his teams have been lousy the past few years but I think most recognize that he hasn't had a whole lot to work with.

 

Agree. If he is interested, Gardenhire would be managing again within a year.

[gunnarthor]

The last two Twin successful runs started with going young and then a change in managers.

 

TK had a very young team from 1999-2001 (when they stopped signing decline phase fill ins) and Gardenhire took over the team as they reached .500.

 

Billy Gardner had very young teams from 1982-1985 returning them to around .500. It took a change to TK in 1986 (with interlude by Ray Miller) before the successful run from 1987-1992.

 

The Twins haven't gone young yet. They continue to try to fill in with decline phase players. If they do decide to go young and have everyone grow together, it would probably be good to have a new manager growth with them.

 

They went young several times in Gardy's run.

[Beezer07]

Twins currently have the 5th worst record in MLB & on pace for 93 losses......that should answer the question.

Good managers get fired every year (world series winners Charly Manuel & Mike Scoscia later this year) & its not a knock on managerial skills but something that has to be done.

 

Good managers like that get fired every year, but good managers like that also have multiple HoFers and upwards of 5 current or former all stars. The Twins have Mauer and a shell of Morneau and a bunch of young guys. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

 

Now if Gardy were losing with Hamilton, Trout, Pujols, Trumbo, and Weaver on his team, or Lee, Utley, Halladay, Rollins, and Revere, that'd be one thing. But he's not.

 

I personally am confident that Gardy will be around next year, and for many more years, based on nothing other than my opinion.

[Winston Smith]

Gardy doesn't have a lot to work with seems to be a common statement. Well look at the all-star teams. He was so proud the other day about all the good players he had had. Yet the Twins have not won a playoff game since 2004 (that's 10 years) and are on a 0-12 run with 2 1/2 years of really bad baseball but none of it is Gardy's fault?

Not saying it is all his fault but after all this failure don't you at some point have to move on?

[ThePuck]

Gardy doesn't have a lot to work with seems to be a common statement. Well look at the all-star teams. He was so proud the other day about all the good players he had had. Yet the Twins have not won a playoff game since 2004 (that's 10 years) and are on a 0-12 run with 2 1/2 years of really bad baseball but none of it is Gardy's fault?

Not saying it is all his fault but after all this failure don't you at some point have to move on?

 

He's had a bunch of quality players over the years. He gets a lot of credit for taking those players to the playoffs while playing in a weak division that almost always had weaker teams than ours (before 2011).

 

He does deserve credit for doing that, but it's not like he took a bunch of no talents to the playoffs. If that was the case, why isn't he doing it now?

[James]

He will go the TK way. Retire and be around each spring training as a guest instructor. If they were to extend him, they would have done it by now.

 

Ticket sales have been declining each year the past 3 years for a good reason. At some point they got to do something to get rear ends on the seats, so they have to pretend they care about the record of the team and hold someone(s) accountable...

This is exactly what I think will happen. Gardy will be given a role as a special instructor during ST, he will fill in on some broadcasts, and probably travel around the minors dooing some special instructs with some of the young kids.

 

He won't get fired and he won't quit. He'll just have a different role in the organization.

[gunnarthor]

He's had a bunch of quality players over the years. He gets a lot of credit for taking those players to the playoffs while playing in a weak division that almost always had weaker teams than ours (before 2011).

 

He does deserve credit for doing that, but it's not like he took a bunch of no talents to the playoffs. If that was the case, why isn't he doing it now?

 

Couple points. First, as good as those playoff Twins were, the usually overachieved. The 02-04 playoff teams were 18 wins better than their pyth w/l records. Even with that, the 5 Twins teams that lost avg about 92w/season. Their opponents avg 101 wins.

 

And why is it that the Twins always won a weak central? The 06 central had three teams win 90 games, including the reigning WS champ. And now that we suck the central is good? I'd say the Tigers have won some pretty cheap AL central titles the last few years.

[LewFordLives]

Anything short of finishing .500 and Gardenhire is gone. It's nothing against him or his style, but sometimes there just needs to be a change. They need to bring in a manager and coaching staff from outside the organization, who the players are not familiar with. Someone with no past beefs with any of the players, no predjudices, and no preconceived notions of who deserves to be on the 25 man roster and what their role on the team should be. The Twins need a new unbiased set of eyes. It will make everyone a little worried about their roster spots and maybe make them try harder.

[ThePuck]

Couple points. First, as good as those playoff Twins were, the usually overachieved. The 02-04 playoff teams were 18 wins better than their pyth w/l records. Even with that, the 5 Twins teams that lost avg about 92w/season. Their opponents avg 101 wins.

 

 

Pyth is based on runs scored and runs allowed. I find it funny how often people quote pyth but dismiss runs scored and runs allowed as a determining factor to rate a team. In any event, since most games aren't super close games, I don't put much faith in pyth.

[ThePuck]

 

And why is it that the Twins always won a weak central? The 06 central had three teams win 90 games, including the reigning WS champ. And now that we suck the central is good? I'd say the Tigers have won some pretty cheap AL central titles the last few years.

 

Cool, 2006, you picked one year out of ten that didn't apply. Must make the point irrelevent. It's been a great division in the 2000s...

 

And saying the Tigers have done the same doesn't make it any less true that we did it. They've also, like we did from 2002-2010, had more talent than the rest of the division the last couple years.

[UCLA_YANKEE_COLA]

I want Ryno to be the next Twins manager.

 

What has he done that makes you think he'd be a good manager? No snark. Real question. I have no opinion on whether Molitor or Sandberg or anyone else without real experience should/could be a good manager.