Roster Implications and 40-man Timelines for Every New Twin

[Mike Sixel]

13 minutes ago, Nshore said:

All I know is he's 27 years old in the prime of his career and is hitting .214.  That being said, I hope he blossoms into Babe Ruth.

We really need to stop looking only at BA.......though, yes, that needs to be a bit higher for comfort.

[Nshore]

17 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

We really need to stop looking only at BA.......though, yes, that needs to be a bit higher for comfort.

To me WAR is just made up baseball statistical navel gazing.  I guess I'm too old for the new fangled stats.  I'd just as soon consult a leprechaun in an Irish meadow.  Same validity.

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, Nshore said:

To me WAR is just made up baseball statistical navel gazing.  I guess I'm too old for the new fangled stats.  I'd just as soon consult a leprechaun in an Irish meadow.  Same validity.

How about wrc+ or even OPS+ (which isn't great) You can't just look at BA and ignore everything else about offense.

[chpettit19]

32 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

Correct. Zero chance. 

I don't know that I ever said I would do that, and doubt I did considering he had 2 option years remaining, in fact I seem to recall saying something to the effect that he can stay on the 40 man as long as he has options but is just a bad player due to his inability to play the OF and that he shouldn't be counted on. 

Well, just on Friday you said Austin Martin wasn't going to be on the 2027 roster. Those extra 19 PAs this year really push you over the edge on him? Or why do you have him locked into getting DFA'd next year? Because he'll still be pre-arb come 2027. Why have you quit on him already? 

I'm not going to go through your entire history to see exactly what words you used, but you spent all offseason telling anyone who would listen that Austin Martin wasn't a major leaguer and had no chance to improve his fielding, correct? If you want to play semantics and act like that's significantly different than my stance on Roden, cool, have at it. You don't think it's possible a new front office will DFA non-major leaguers they didn't trade for, I do. Agree to disagree.

And, no, that isn't me saying Roden is absolutely not a major leaguer, but if he falls on his face the rest of this year and into next year then it's entirely possible a new FO will come to that conclusion.

[NYCTK]

1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

Well, just on Friday you said Austin Martin wasn't going to be on the 2027 roster.

Well, that was more so how a team should plan, and yes, the Twins shouldn't plan on Austin Martin, who will probably be out of options in 2027, to be on their 40 man roster. Could end up there, but that'd be a bad sign. 

2 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I'm not going to go through your entire history to see exactly what words you used, but you spent all offseason telling anyone who would listen that Austin Martin wasn't a major leaguer and had no chance to improve his fielding, correct?

Man, you're making me out to sound like a brilliant baseball mind. So maybe you should believe me when I say there is 0% chance that a new FO DFA's Roden.

At least, not before the next trade deadline. There's always the chance he's given a full season of play, doesn't cut it, and the Twins actually make a run and make some additions and need some space on the 40 man. 

[chpettit19]

1 minute ago, NYCTK said:

Well, that was more so how a team should plan, and yes, the Twins shouldn't plan on Austin Martin, who will probably be out of options in 2027, to be on their 40 man roster. Could end up there, but that'd be a bad sign. 

Man, you're making me out to sound like a brilliant baseball mind. So maybe you should believe me when I say there is 0% chance that a new FO DFA's Roden.

At least, not before the next trade deadline. There's always the chance he's given a full season of play, doesn't cut it, and the Twins actually make a run and make some additions and need some space on the 40 man. 

I had the same take on Martin, so I guess you're supposed to believe me? Like I said, agree to disagree.

[USAFChief]

28 minutes ago, Nshore said:

To me WAR is just made up baseball statistical navel gazing.  I guess I'm too old for the new fangled stats.  I'd just as soon consult a leprechaun in an Irish meadow.  Same validity.

WAR is dung, concur. Particularly fWAR.

But looking at just batting average also misses a great deal about a player's offensive production. At a minimum add On Base Percentage and Slugging percentage. 

Wallner comes out better when you consider those aspects, although he spent a lot of this season really struggling. 

The strikeouts are a problem, contributing to his slumps and really limiting his RBI.

Still and all, he's nowhere near the biggest offensive hole. And IMO he's been taking much better ABs for a while now.

Of course, slumps and streaks are probably always going to be part of his game. Too much swing and miss does that.

[DJL44]

4 hours ago, Rosterman said:

There are 20 names on the 40-man roster that the Twins would not miss. 9 could be kept, are on the bubble, whatever. There are six (Rojas, Prielipp, MacLeod, Cardenas, Sabato, Gonzalez) that I feel MUST be added, which is the usual number that happens in most off-seasons.

I don't think Sabato would get drafted. I don't care if MacLeod gets drafted. Cardenas should get a cup of coffee in September if they're going to add him anyway.

Add Rojas, Prielipp, Gonzalez, Schobel, Morris, Mendez, CJ Culpepper (that's 7)

[twinstalker]

Larnach is due to make 4-5 million next year.  I highly doubt he's a Twin next year, especially if the team's not sold by tendering date in December.

Mendez is a sure thing to get 40'd.  Roden, too.  Outman was the worst trade of the whole group.  But pride exists and the concept of sunk costs doesn't, so unless Outman is traded, I could see all three of these guys on the 40, Larnach traded or non-tendered, Keirsey dumped.

[RpR]

4 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

We really need to stop looking only at BA.......though, yes, that needs to be a bit higher for comfort.

Oh my, the Mendoza line is the new standard to qualify as a Big Leaguer, My Oh My!

[TL]

If we really do need to fish or cut bait on Outman this year it makes that Stewart trade even weirder. I get that his arm may be a ticking time bomb and it’s highly unlikely the Twins make a push this year… but man he would look good in the pen right now.

For now I’d bring up Preillip and move Festa to the bullpen for remainder of the year. Maybe along with Sands and Topa we can piece together 3 innings.

[gman]

After less than a week, people are giving up on Rodan. He has done very well in his 2 years in the minors and has only had 115 at bats at the major league level.  He was a third round pick, I would like to see him get 5 games a week to see what he can do. 

On the other hand, I don't think they need to hold spots for Outman and Mikulski.

[stringer bell]

There are numerous players that won't last on the 40-man roster. There are seven weeks left in the MLB season and opinions can change, but certainly a couple of the acquisitions might not be added to the 40-man and a couple of acquisitions who are on the 40-man might be DFA'd (Outman and perhaps Roden).

Yes, there will be decisions to make on who to protect and who to expose. I doubt the Twins will get it totally right, but these guys will have some time to show field and front office staff that they are worthy of being protected.