Gotta Listen on Perkins?

[30whales]

Lets just face it. The twins are not going to make any moves at the deadline as usual and we are just making up stuff. I mean seriously Hanson and Taillon for Perk? Obviously the twins would jump all over that but the Pirates would be fools. I would be pleased with a top 100 prospect and maybe a top 200 guy but two guys in the top 100 I would be thrilled!

[Red Bull]

Of course I wouldn't give up Sano or Buxton, but the Twins aren't atop the toughest division in baseball. However if, IF, a bidding war ensues & they become convinced that they need help in the pen and on offense, ...who knows? They do have the luxury of having Marrero right behind Bogaerts on the organizational depth chart. Maybe he's the more likely target. If so, you go after one of their 3-Top 100 pitchers, as well.

 

Exactly. Some people say well the Twins wouldnt give up Sano for Perkins so why would BOS give up bogaerts? THey dont get that the Twins arent a closer away from potentialy winning a WS. Thats the ultimate goal, and if Perkins who is a great closer is available and BOS thinks with a dominant closer they can win the WS they will give up any prospect to do that.

[OBX 3 6 28 29 34]

The Tigers need a closer and, in their minds, it may be the piece that gets them a title. Unfortunately they are in our division but just for the fun of it what do they have in their system that might be worth dealing Perk?

[diehardtwinsfan]

The Tigers need a closer and, in their minds, it may be the piece that gets them a title. Unfortunately they are in our division but just for the fun of it what do they have in their system that might be worth dealing Perk?

 

They have 1 top 100 prospect (Nick Catellanos I believe, whose a 3B/OF) and an incredibly barren system.

[blairpaul715]

The bigger problem with that trade was not giving up a prospect, but giving up a prospect for MATT CAPPS.

 

Perkins has a lot more value right now than Capps did at that moment. I would expect better than Ramos, and I would not trade Perkins now for what Ramos was at that point.

 

And if I recall correctly, who he ended up with Washington was because he was not tendered a contract the previous year from Pittsburgh(?) because he was arbitration eligible and Pittsburgh didn't see he value worth what he was going to get in arbitration, so they let him become a free agent, so at the time, the Twins or any team was able to sign him, I don't remember what his contract was when we got him, but I am thinking it was $5 to 8 million, definitely not worth giving up Ramos, when you could have just signed him the year before, for just the money. Capps was a good guy, but not a good closer IMO. Closers need to be strikeout pitchers, or mostly power pitchers.

[johnnydakota]

There is no discussion needed....If we are to trade Glen , then we need to get help, not A level help , But help that is near ready or ready now. It also should be a piece we dont have whos ready or near ready. A shortstop a front of the rotation starting pitcher...If not Perkins is only 30 and has a geat contract....

[DaveW]

The Yankees might be the perfect trade partner heading into next year.

[johnnydakota]

The Yankees might be the perfect trade partner heading into next year.

 

And who would you trade ,and who would you want back other then there minor leaque catcher?

[johnnydakota]

To me there are a few teams who would be good trade partners.

1.Boston, but not just a 1 for 1 trade, I propose Perks,Plouffe,Morneau,Boyd and Williams

for Bogaerts,Middlwbrooke and Allen Webster.

 

2 The Indians,Once again a multiy player trade Perkins, Justin and Albers for

SS Ronny Rodriquez and RHP Danny Salazar.

 

In the trade to Boston , this opens up a chance to call up Romero and Colabello ,and give them a shot, and a long look,It also gives us a decent replacement in Middlebrooke

 

In the Cleveland trade it gives us a player to add into the mix at SS and 2b ,and another quality starter who is near ready in both players, building towards 2015

[diehardtwinsfan]

The Yankees might be the perfect trade partner heading into next year.

 

I don't know what they need, but I could see targeting one of their pitching prospects like Betances or maybe Banuelos for some of our (non Perkins) help. Both of those guys used to be pretty hot prospects but have not been nearly as successful in the higher minors, though Banuelos would probably still qualify as a pretty decent prospect.

[diehardtwinsfan]

To me there are a few teams who would be good trade partners.

1.Boston, but not just a 1 for 1 trade, I propose Perks,Plouffe,Morneau,Boyd and Williams

for Bogaerts,Middlwbrooke and Allen Webster.

 

2 The Indians,Once again a multiy player trade Perkins, Justin and Albers for

SS Ronny Rodriquez and RHP Danny Salazar.

 

In the trade to Boston , this opens up a chance to call up Romero and Colabello ,and give them a shot, and a long look,It also gives us a decent replacement in Middlebrooke

 

In the Cleveland trade it gives us a player to add into the mix at SS and 2b ,and another quality starter who is near ready in both players, building towards 2015

 

You traded Morneau twice. Pretty difficult to do I think. Not sure that Boston would give up that much either. All 3 of those guys are pretty highly regarded prospects.

[ashbury]

You traded Morneau twice.

 

He LIKES trading Morneau.

[LaBombo]

He LIKES trading Morneau.

 

Yup. In other words...

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"Forget it, he's rolling".

[kab21]

You guys really need to take Bogaerts out of all offers for Perkins (and whatever filler you put in).

 

I would trade perkins for Barnes or Webster.

I would trade Perkins for Castellanos - I don't care if he's another OF'er. He's a potential middle of the order RH'd bat.

It's a bit of a reach but I would trade Perkins for Alen Hanson and a borderline top 100 guy. Don't dismiss hanson because he was #61 (or something) on a preseason list. he will be a borderline top 25 prospect next offseason and he plays SS.

 

Perkins is a 30 yr old pitcher. he might be great for 5 more years or he might blow out his UCL. Prospects are risky but 30+ yr old pitchers are not exactly safe picks either.

[NoCryingInBaseball]

Perhaps the best opportunities for a valuable return in the trade market are Perkins and I think the team still needs starting pitching.

 

Eventually, maybe next year, Mauer, Arcia and Hicks get teamed up with Sano and Rosario and the position player prospects seem to be distributed very well…especially with the catcher Josmil Pinto looking very promising in double-A ball. While a major injury or a Valencia style flameout is always a possibility, the future position spots seem to be coming together very nicely unless there is a short stop on the market available by trade.

 

Pitching will always be a concern. The best prospects are Gibson, Meyers, Mays, Berrios and a high school kid that hasn’t pitched his first pitch in rookie ball. With so many young unproven guys in the system, there is always room for another talented guy on the mound.

 

I was wrong last year when I didn’t want to part ways with Willingham when he was in the middle of a career year, now his value is worth about as much as a bag of baseballs. Perkins is now a highly coveted closer and the Twins simply don’t have enough closing situations this year to use him appropriately, maybe his value is a trade for a single-A starting pitcher prospect with a high ceiling.

[Monkeypaws]

If I am a GM and going about team-building, someone would need to WAAAYY overpay to get a hometown guy who loves it here and has 90's-era contract for years. The Twins will surely be playing meaningful games in September before that contract expires.

 

We already have elite prospects. Sure, a great SS or SP would be a nice add, but at some point it becomes a zero-sum game.

 

I don't want the Twins to be a revolving door - keeping the good ones was supposed to be the reason we built Target Field.

[howieramone1406390264]

If I am a GM and going about team-building, someone would need to WAAAYY overpay to get a hometown guy who loves it here and has 90's-era contract for years. The Twins will surely be playing meaningful games in September before that contract expires.

 

We already have elite prospects. Sure, a great SS or SP would be a nice add, but at some point it becomes a zero-sum game.

 

I don't want the Twins to be a revolving door - keeping the good ones was supposed to be the reason we built Target Field.

IMO we are no where near that point. Perkins is our best trade chip, and it makes no sense not to see what we can get when we are obviously in a rebuilding mode. Take out Buxton and Sano, and our farm system is still better than most, but there would be no way to predict when or even if the rebuilding would ever end. Ryan knows he's not done dealing.

[Monkeypaws]

You are talking about a deep-rebuild. You can't trade all your good team guys for prospects and expect to compete. Sacrilegious as it may seem, even Sano and Buxton are not sure things. Remember Dave McCarty?

 

Point is that Perkins' current contract runs to a point where I expect the Twins to be competitive again. Why dig another hole that needs to be filled for a future that may never arrive?

[Red Bull]

You are talking about a deep-rebuild. You can't trade all your good team guys for prospects and expect to compete. Sacrilegious as it may seem, even Sano and Buxton are not sure things. Remember Dave McCarty?

 

Point is that Perkins' current contract runs to a point where I expect the Twins to be competitive again. Why dig another hole that needs to be filled for a future that may never arrive?

 

Please tell us what Dave McCarty has to do with Buxton and Sano lol? I dont think you remember him, he was never ranked higher than 16th by baseball america and he didnt even put up close to as good of numbers in his first couple minor league seasons as Sano and Buxton. McCarty wasnt dominant at every level he played like Sano and Buxton, just like Hosmer and Moustakas who weren dominant at every level. Usualy the guys that all of the sudden become great in AA and AAA dont pan out, the guys that have been great their whole life are the ones that do pan out.

 

All im trying to say is you cant compare Sano and Buxton to a guy that wasnt even close to as elite of a prospect that Sano and Buxton are.

[Monkeypaws]

Prospect does not equal major league superstar.

 

I am as much under the awesomeness of these two as anyone, but respect the major leagues.

 

As for David OPS plus slugging over 1.000 as a 22-23 year old in AAA looked pretty encouraging, no?

[beckmt]

All offers should be listened to. It would still take a steal of a deal to trade Perkins. How many clubs are suffering with subpar closers and have already blown more than 5 games from the 8 inning on.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I like Perkins and I love the way he has turned his career around the last couple of years. I also think he wants to be a Twin ... he truly is at home. He seems to have a strong family life so he could probably transfer that home somewhere else and keep performing but I'm sure the entire family would prefer to stay in Minnesota.

 

The more important pitfall of trading Perkins may be credibility with impending free agents. If indeed Perk did give a home town discount and the Twins do trade him, there may be issues with other players. I'm not worried about Perk. He's a pro.

[drjim]

The more important pitfall of trading Perkins may be credibility with impending free agents. If indeed Perk did give a home town discount and the Twins do trade him, there may be issues with other players. I'm not worried about Perk. He's a pro.

 

The idea of credibility is vastly overrated in my opinion. Players are going to sign the best deal for themselves every time.

 

Another key point is that when Perkins signed his contract it was not a clear hometown discount (even if it looks like it now). He had failed as a starter and had only one really good year as a reliever, so there was definitely plenty of risk borne by the Twins at the time of the deal. Perkins took the guaranteed $11.5 mil when he had the chance.

[diehardtwinsfan]

The more important pitfall of trading Perkins may be credibility with impending free agents. If indeed Perk did give a home town discount and the Twins do trade him, there may be issues with other players. I'm not worried about Perk. He's a pro.

 

Typically players that give a home town discount ask for a no trade clause in exchange. That's not uncommon. In Perk's case, at that time, it wasn't a discount. Perkins was not a closer at that time, but everyone knew he was going to get a first shot. He could have bet on himself and signed that deal one year later, at which point he would have been paid much more. He chose to take 11M guaranteed. It's also quite likely that he still has one more big shot in FA, and it will net him 20-30M easily if he continues to pitch like this.

[Red Bull]

Prospect does not equal major league superstar.

 

I am as much under the awesomeness of these two as anyone, but respect the major leagues.

 

As for David OPS plus slugging over 1.000 as a 22-23 year old in AAA looked pretty encouraging, no?

 

I see what your saying and I agree a prospect is far from an established major leaguer let alone one of the games best like they are hyping Sano and Buxton up to be, but I think McCarty was a bad example. His minor league hype was like Moustakas' and Hosmers, they had a high chance of being a bust.

 

But yea I agree, dont know why I got so irratated when you used McCarty as an example lol. My B.

[Oxtung]

You are talking about a deep-rebuild. You can't trade all your good team guys for prospects and expect to compete. Sacrilegious as it may seem, even Sano and Buxton are not sure things. Remember Dave McCarty?

 

Point is that Perkins' current contract runs to a point where I expect the Twins to be competitive again. Why dig another hole that needs to be filled for a future that may never arrive?

 

If our prospects don't pan out it won't matter if the Twins still have Perkins or not. The Twins could keep or even resign Mourneau, Willingham, Perkins and Doumit and it wouldn't matter.

 

All that matters is how many of the prospects pan out and what how many are above average. That is the only way the Twins will return to relevancy. Given that, what is the point of keeping Perkins? We might win 76 games instead of 75?

[johnnydakota]

You traded Morneau twice. Pretty difficult to do I think. Not sure that Boston would give up that much either. All 3 of those guys are pretty highly regarded prospects.

I also traded Perkins twice ....different trades ...=)

[NoCal]

Delmon Young was once the #1 prospect in all of baseball. Just saying.....

[johnnydakota]

You guys really need to take Bogaerts out of all offers for Perkins (and whatever filler you put in).

 

I would trade perkins for Barnes or Webster.

I would trade Perkins for Castellanos - I don't care if he's another OF'er. He's a potential middle of the order RH'd bat.

It's a bit of a reach but I would trade Perkins for Alen Hanson and a borderline top 100 guy. Don't dismiss hanson because he was #61 (or something) on a preseason list. he will be a borderline top 25 prospect next offseason and he plays SS.

 

Perkins is a 30 yr old pitcher. he might be great for 5 more years or he might blow out his UCL. Prospects are risky but 30+ yr old pitchers are not exactly safe picks either.

 

With me , if we are not going to get a good package why trade him?

When did a handful of majic beans become more valuable then the real deal?

yes Glen is 30 years old, and tonight wasnt it a 43 year old who closed out the game against us?

 

Perkins is proven , he is cheap , he is team controlled for 3 years....If it aint a good package DONT TRADE HIM

[johnnydakota]

The more important pitfall of trading Perkins may be credibility with impending free agents. If indeed Perk did give a home town discount and the Twins do trade him, there may be issues with other players. I'm not worried about Perk. He's a pro.

 

As long as Terry is the general , we dont have to worry about credibility.....We jst have to listen to the real GMs laughing .