Can The Twins Ship The Sheriff to Sacramento?

[Bob Twins Fan Since 61]

11 hours ago, MoyBoy74 said:

Twins send Dodgers

Jhoan Duran
Christian Vazquez
Willi Castro
Eduardo Julien

For

Hunter Feduccia
Andy Pages
Gavin Lux

Who says no to this trade proposal?

I definitely would say no.  Selling low on Duran.  Definitely could see the Dodgers interest in him. Some interest in Castro too. Actually, of the 3 players, the catcher Feduccia would be the one I be most interested in.  The Dodgers I would think would give him up for Castro.  If they would take Vazquez and his salary too.  I would do the deal.  Assuming the Twins use the salary savings to spend on a FA signing to fill another need.  Budget constraints The Twins FO is under force a deal like this, my doubt is the Dodgers would take Vazquez.  They already have a decent backup catcher in Barnes.  But if they want Castro, that is what it will take.  

[LA Vikes Fan]

1 hour ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

With the skyrocketing price of SP, it makes financial sense to keep Paddack on the roster as a possible SP4/5 or heater out of the BP.  He would essentially be pitching on a make good contract, and if he starts the season well the Twins could look at an extension on a player they know (which is very big in Minnesota territory).

On the other hand...

With the skyrocketing price of SP, moving Paddack makes sense.  The Twins have a relatively inexpensive veteran they could move to a team needing a SP3/4/5 and probably get a decent return.  For a team looking to keep costs down, this makes financial sense, especially if they feel Festa or Matthews is ready.

Seeing both sides of the argument, I would be fine with either decision.

I'm right with you. It all depends on what the team thinks about Festa and Matthews. Personally, to me it's all about Festa. Matthews should go back to AAA. He may be ready by mid-season, it may be next year but he is no higher than the #7 starter on the current roster. Festa doesn't really have anything left to prove at the AAA level and I would like him to get 20-25 starts or more at the MLB level in 2025. Also, Paddack is worth more than a salary dump. He's worth a 15-20 rated prospect from a solid system plus a flyer. Given that pitching is always more important and more expensive than hitting, particularly starting pitching, Paddack is worth more than dumping his salary to sign an aging 1B. Before you say the payroll has to be reduced, remember that it doesn't have to be reduced NOW, it only has to be reduced by Opening Day. 

I think it's all timing. Go to ST with the starters we have. IF they are all healthy we can make a trade then to a team looking for SP. We will probably get a better return then. However, if one of our top 4 starters is injured having Paddack will be critical in the early going.     

FWIW, I don't anything is going to happen pending potential sale talks. There's no reason to reduce the pool of buyers by either adding payroll or stripping the team until you know the likely buyer and what that buyer wants to do. I'm still hoping that a random billionaire who wants in to pros sports will buy the team and try to buy a championship. 

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, In My La Z boy said:

It's like folding rather than doubling down. 

When someone calls my crappy bluff and I know I have a losing hand ..... I fold. 

Good money doesn't need to be thrown away just because one already spent poorly. It's a choice.

My main concern is that Paddack or Dobnak or some other guy takes away innings or a roster spot from a guy who we already know is better and promises much more. I'm thinking all of SWR, Festa, Matthews, Morris, and Raya would be better and yes I know these guys are inexperienced or have yet to pitch for the Twins.

[tony&rodney]

Right now I'm wondering why anyone believes in Paddack other than his nickname? 2019 was a while back. Is Nelson Cruz still available?

[Fatbat]

Its short sighted to start shipping established pitchers out of the organization when we are in win now mode. Paddack could bounce back the next 3 seasons and be allstar material in his 30’s. He is not old and not over priced. 

[tony&rodney]

3 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

Its short sighted to start shipping established pitchers out of the organization when we are in win now mode.

I agree with this statement. If a trade makes the team better any player should be available to deal.

If we are talking about Chris Paddack, please explain how he is established any more than Randy Dobnak or just by himself and not as a comparison to RD.

[jmlease1]

39 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

I agree with this statement. If a trade makes the team better any player should be available to deal.

If we are talking about Chris Paddack, please explain how he is established any more than Randy Dobnak or just by himself and not as a comparison to RD.

Because Paddack had a rookie season where he made 26 starts, threw 140 innings and had an ERA+ of 126. Maybe he'll never get back to that because of all the injuries, but you've seen flashes with the twins that make it easy to talk yourself into it. And the floor is pretty good on Paddack: even if he's never back to where he was, he can still eat up innings as a 5th starter or shift to the bullpen. At $7.5M, that's not crazy money at all and the upside is pretty good.

Since the self-imposed payroll limits of the Pohlads make money so tight this season and I think the upside for Festa is high...I'd take the risk and move on from Paddack, especially with Matthews, Raya, lewis, Adams, Morris, etc waiting in the wings. If I'm a team in need of a cheap starter to take the 5th slot, I'd probably be interested in taking a flyer on Paddack for the role on a 1 year deal for $7.5M. If I'm the A's, had bad starters last season and need to spend more or get cut out of revenue sharing...this might be a bargain!

[bean5302]

3 hours ago, Otaknam said:

... Paddock...
...Paddock...

Paddack.

[tony&rodney]

25 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

Because Paddack had a rookie season where he made 26 starts, threw 140 innings and had an ERA+ of 126.

In 2019 I wanted the Twins to make an attempt to acquire Paddack. 2019 was quite a while ago though. People need to put The Sherrif in the same bucket as Nelson Cruz - good memories of a time now in the past.

[Heiny]

With the market for starting pitching and the extremely high salaries they're getting in free agency,  I think maybe Paddack at 7.5M is a bargain.  He's had another whole offseason to recoup and get stronger.  I think he's worth keeping for now but if they do decide to trade him he should be worth a pretty decent package.  I wouldn't just give him up for a salary dump.

[DocBauer]

I wouldn't mind keeping Paddack for the same reasons I believe he's of value to someone else, he's still under 30yo, he's further removed from his last surgery so his velocity should be more consistent, and the feel for his previously excellent changeup will hopefully be back. $7.5M for 1 yr for a 5th starter with upside is a relative bargain.

But there's no way to make any sort of change to the roster, even small ones on the margin, unless someone is moved. I think Festa showed last season that he's ready. I had thought of Paddack as an option for Boston, or Baltimore, amongst others. I hadn't thought about the A's, but this makes sense.

It would be nice if they had room for a defense first, experienced catcher at $10M that they might flip to someone in 2025 if/when an injury were to happen.

[KirbyDome89]

1 hour ago, bean5302 said:

Correct. It was an iron-clad, insurmountable defense to what was essentially a complaint about the Pohlad's running a crazy low payroll.

While I canceled my season tickets with no intent to renew, and I've been highly critical of the Pohlad's 180* shift in how they planned to run the team, I'm not delusional in regard to the team's spending. The Twins have ranked from #16-20 in MLB since like 2017. They haven't been in the bottom 5 for over 20 years.

Fans griping about grievances should change the teams they follow to Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, and Miami. Those are teams who have payrolls literally $100MM LOWER than the Twins in recent years.

The comment was tongue-in-cheek.

Yes, the Twins aren't Pittsburgh, and they will outspend KC and Cleveland within their own division, but if we're pointing to extremes, I'll say it again, that's not a strong defense. 

[Fatbat]

4 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

I agree with this statement. If a trade makes the team better any player should be available to deal.

If we are talking about Chris Paddack, please explain how he is established any more than Randy Dobnak or just by himself and not as a comparison to RD.

His stuff plays when he is healthy and yeah its been awhile since he pitched a lot of innings in a season but he has as good of a shot as anyone to throw 150+ innings of 3.4 era and 1.2 whip ball as anyone on the staff. 
his TJ issues are behind him far enough that he just needs to throw consistently.  The other scenario is that he shifts to the bullpen and throws every other day like he did in the playoffs in ‘23. 

[tony&rodney]

2 hours ago, Fatbat said:

His stuff plays when he is healthy and yeah its been awhile since he pitched a lot of innings in a season but he has as good of a shot as anyone to throw 150+ innings of 3.4 era and 1.2 whip ball as anyone on the staff. 
his TJ issues are behind him far enough that he just needs to throw consistently.  The other scenario is that he shifts to the bullpen and throws every other day like he did in the playoffs in ‘23. 

I'm in favor of keeping Paddack as an option in the bullpen if the roster budget allows that to occur. I do believe he may be a reasonable option this year alongside Michael Tonkin.

Chris Paddack has never thrown 150 innings in a year at any level in his life. He has been hit pretty hard since 2019. If he were to successfully pitch more than 100 innings in 2025 it would be pretty much a miracle. 

Hopefully, the Twins decide that $140 million is an ok 26 person roster budget and we see Paddack be good in the bullpen. I believe that is a reasonable expectation for his ceiling.

[Fatbat]

3 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

I'm in favor of keeping Paddack as an option in the bullpen if the roster budget allows that to occur. I do believe he may be a reasonable option this year alongside Michael Tonkin.

Chris Paddack has never thrown 150 innings in a year at any level in his life. He has been hit pretty hard since 2019. If he were to successfully pitch more than 100 innings in 2025 it would be pretty much a miracle. 

Hopefully, the Twins decide that $140 million is an ok 26 person roster budget and we see Paddack be good in the bullpen. I believe that is a reasonable expectation for his ceiling.

Id trade 65 stellar RP innings for 25 starts by paddack

[Doctor Wu]

20 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

Seeing both sides of the argument, I would be fine with either decision.

That's pretty much the way I feel too. I think it would be foolish to trade him away just because his contract is relatively high, and we aren't sure how durable he will be next season. I think there is still some upside with Paddack and I also think his main value is as a starter. But that said, if they can get a quality MLB-ready player in return, or a decent prospect, I wouldn't be too shook up about a trade.